BRAVO! to Gov. Herbert and all the Legislators who help bring this about and
keep us from the addictive lure of all that "free money" with numerous
strings attached.I am sure some liberals will rant about "we
are letting other states take "our share" of all that federal
money" but that is sort of like complaining that we are not yet addicted
enough to illegal drugs.We need to get Washington to be tighter with
"our money" than even our own Legislature and Governor are. But, I am
not very optimistic that fiscal sanity will return to Washington any time soon.
It's a step in the right direction and hopefully he can expand this ideal of
self governing state from the federal blackmail terms and conditions attached to
all federally funded programs.High priority should be with education
funds, Medicare and Medicarid funds, and get this state back to a state of self
governmenrt for local needs without government interference.Most
people don't realize or understand that with federal funding their is blackmail
to rob states and citizens of its rights and freedoms. It imposes unwanted
federally mandated laws on the citizens and state constitutions.
That is one measure of federal dollars but Utah is still a recipient state when
it comes to federal dollars- depending on the source we still receive between
1.05 and 1.25 dollars for every dollar sent to the Feds- so while the Gov can
hang his hat on one number the reality is still that in the federal
redistribution game we are still a welfare state- down considerably over the
last few decades as our economy here has matured from extraction and farm bases
but the reality is we are still a welfare state when it comes to the Feds
Another reason why I love Utah.
I am always amazed when our leaders brag about not being on the federal crack,
as they call it, when we still receive more in federal money than what we
contribute tax-wise. We ARE on the federal dole for as long as we continue to do
this. So when our leaders brag about how we stand up against the Feds or how we
aren't on the crack I just cringe. Why? Because the majority are on the koolaid
and refuse to acknowledge it.
Does the governors figures include salaries of employees at Hill Airforce Base,
Dugway, and other federal government employees in Utah?
Utah still receives $1.07 from the federal government for every dollar in
federal tax collected here, so it's not exactly "off" federal aid. And as long as Gary's addicted to the personal crack of corporate
campaign donations and kickbacks, this sort of posturing isn't really
"DN Subscriber | 10:50 p.m. Dec. 9, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UTBRAVO! to Gov. Herbert and all the Legislators who help bring this about and
keep us from the addictive lure of all that "free money" with numerous
strings attached."Yeah because we should give away 13 million
in Utah taxpayer money from Utahns.BTW, before you get all Bravo mr.
governor, these are the same hypocrites who took and USED Federal stimulus
dollars. These are the same hypocrites fighting for excess defense spending to
keep jobs at Hill Air Force Base. You are fooled easily by a sound bite.
When I'm home in the middle of the day because I'm sick or something, and I
watch TV (which I normally don't do), I get sick and tired of all the adds for
lawyers who offer to help people "get the money they're entitled
to..." I figured out that they run those adds in the middle of the day
because that's when they can reach a higher percentage of lazy bums since the
people who pay for the entitlement are all off working. As a nation, we all
think we are entitled to everything, including "free money" from the
feds. Just like there are some who think we should get all we can, there are
others out there who would like to tell the feds to keep all their money,
including many in our legislature and representing us in Congress. The Governor
appears to be attempting to strike a balance between these two unrealistic
opposing forces, and I applaud him.
Maybe some money to pay your public employees would be nice. Many of the public
employees in this states have the lowest wages in the area. If we want to
attract the best and keep the ones we already have we need to have an incentive.
Lawmakers say we don't get enough money to have higher wages because there is so
much federal land in our state that doesn't generate state income. Then they
turn down the federal money that could go to help make the wages more
competitive with other states. Another area that money coulkd go towards in the
perpetual building and rebuilding of I-15 between Payson and Salt Lake City. I
have lived in Utah for 22 years and have only seen I-15 construction free during
the Olympics. I wonder who owns these construction companies and how many
campaign contributions they make. I think it is great that we don't get an
excessive amount of help, but some might be nice.
So is all of that construction in Utah County being paid for by the state or are
we using some of that federal "crack"?
The governor's chart is very misleading, it shows federal funds received per
capita, but a more accurate measure is "federal dollars received for every
dollar paid in." Because Utah doesn't pay much into the federal
government, it doesn't get back much relative to other states. A 2005 Tax
Foundation study shows that Utah gets $1.07 back for every dollar it pays in,
which ranks 29th among the states. (New Mexico ranks first at $2.03 per dollar
paid in) So before the gov gets too self congratulatory maybe he should take a
look at this data.And despite all the anti big government hot air
coming from "red states" some of them are the biggest beneficiaries of
Funny Howard that you are the only one who picked up on this. Is spending on
infrastructure considered crack? Will Utah Republicans, in the next breath,
start railing on the Federal Crack pusher, Harry Reid of Nevada? Using the same
criteria Senator Reid has more to brag about than Governor Herbert. Is spinning
to deceive considered being honest with your fellow man?
RE: Mr. Beal - I think it is acceptable to utilize federal funds to maintain and
improve I-15, particularly when the highways that go through our state provide
vital links for shipping across this country.RE: XelaDave, EJM, Abe
Sarvis, and liberal larry - Even if we are a "welfare" state in that
we receive more than we contribute, I interpret this data to mean that we still
utilize less per capita with the dollars we do receive than other states,
"welfare" or not. No guarantees, but perhaps if the federal
government didn't own and restrict so much of the land within our state we would
have more people to contribute to the federal government coffers to better
balance what we use.RE: Florien Wineriter and
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt - I don't believe that federal dollars paying
federal employees for federal facilities located within Utah should matter to
this conversation. I would hope the governor and other leaders in this state
would lobby any large employer to stay in Utah and continue to provide jobs,
whether the Federal government or some other business.
This is nothing but Tea Party spin doctoring. Sure we have one of the least
amounts per person spending of Federal dollars but we spend more Federal dollars
then we put in as a state. The reason, we have larger families. I know here in
Utah we value our families but another way of looking at these numbers could
show that we put an unfair burden on them because we have the lowest spending
per person in education and any number of other social programs that are
designed to help families. Maybe instead of spinning numbers to get political
gain we need to look at some of the problems we have in our state and try and
solve them with whatever means we have at our disposal and then brag about our
Why is it a good thing for us to get less federal dollars than other states but
still be taxed at the same rates as those in other states?
All I can say is "whatever"! It's like the repetitive attempt the
"way too conservatives" in UT try every couple years to not receive
federal education dollars. Ya--then I believe the state budget people show them
the "reality" and they go "Oh"! You mean there would be no
way the state of UT could afford to educate the thousands of children it
produces without using federal funds? DUH!To all those commentors
claiming that not being tied to "federal strings" is a good thing: if
states did not discriminate against minorities, actually took care of their own
poor, and paid attention to the needs of those with the most needs WITHOUT being
legally forced to do so by the federal government, there would be no
"federal" strings. Unfortunately, including in UT (the state that
demands that people with disabilities waste huge amounts of money in nursing
homes first, BEFORE being allowed to use less state monies for care outside of
nursing homes--the state where state legislature members voted to build their
parking garage over providing dental care for those who are poor and disabled)
state governments don't do this without being FORCED to do so!!!
The Governor's crack comments are dubious at best. Governor Herbert would be
the biggest pusher in Utah if this fictional event were actually proposed.If the Federal government tomorrow decided to physically relocate from
Washington DC, Governor Herbert would be the leading advocate for Utah. He and
the Republican legislature would do their very best to attract a government
relocation to Utah. Then those federal dollars would not be called crack, it
would be jobs and smart business.P.S. Governments do really move in
our time. Germany from Bonn to Berlin. Burma, Brazil and Australia to the
It is silly to compare Utah to Virginia and Maryland. For the geographically
challenged, Virginia and Maryland sit next to Washington, DC. A vast majority
of people who work for the federal government, both as employees and contractors
live guess where? Of course they will have a higher percentage of their economy
dependent on government expenditures. Where do compare say to Kansas, Idaho, or
A few month back wasn't the governor one of the most vocal critics of the
military's plans to increase efficiency, and cut spending at Hill Airforce base?
I guess "crack" turns into "good medicine" when it is
coming to your home state.
Utah's governor has it right stay away from government crack. The strings
attached can make the federal payments more expensive than refusing.Gov Herbert
realizes the biggest employer Hill Air Force base brings in big bucks for the
states economy. Crack states like California, Oregon, Washington where liberal
governors greedily scamper for federal dollars are experiencing a worse
recession than Utah.
Thanks Governor Herbert.We speak so much of self-reliance, but are
willing to play the part of "welfare case" when it comes to needs we
have as a state.There's always something to be said about
self-reliance.Sure, we may not be like the kid that drives the BMW
to high school because his parents gave him a "stimulus", but we know
as we drive our car of what we earned and not what we were given.On
the other hand, if we could get the government out of our pockets and stop
taking money to give to other states, then it would be complete. But alas, as
long as the government takes, we need to receive.
Lets show the feds we do not need their money. Lets refund all of the federal
funds that helped build massive water projects in utah. And don't forget all of
the higheay funds that build roadways in utah. And federal money to help utah
get foreign business to come to Utah. Indeed lets kick the feds out. Whoi needs
all of the federal jobs and the money that helps our economy. Perhaps we can
revisit our decision of january 4th 1896 to accepot statehood.
Near the end of the article is the following words attributed to our
Governor."Because states are typically much smaller, they are
often able to operate in a more streamline fashion, Herbert said.""streamline fashion" is another way to say efficient and
intelligent. That could be an argument for getting Federal dollars out to the
states and out of the hands of Federal government bureaucrats.Senator Harry Reid is portrayed as a very reckless spender of Federal tax
money. Yet his state, Nevada, has the best position on this crack graph.
Interesting contradiction. I wonder how Governor Herbert's public relations man
would spin that.
Utah doesn't get as many federal dollars because it votes Republicans. The
Governor is using charts and data that shows what he wants to show as data can
be manipulated to do that. According to the article, the state is showing the
data. The state was quick to take the highway money and that is good because
most of the roadwork is on I-15 and I-80 and connectors. We pay taxes for
Interstate roads to be maintained and we're good at that. However, the Utah
county stretch is where the Governor maneuvered dollars and got some benefit for
his coffers and election. He also got some donations from the Alton Coal
Company and got their permit approved quickly. Utah County will benefit from
that money and at $1.2 billion that is quite a bit plus the states portion. The
Governor wants to be re-elected for a real term. There was a good article on
Integrity in today's DN edition that political people should read. Honesty is
the best policy in this world and the one that will be coming where there are
judgements on truly honest.
So when they recommend closing Hill AFB, Herbert won't protest? Good to know.
Herbert has held the governnor's position well since Huntsman left. He has done
relatively little harm to the state. Now lets find a real leader. I like Lt.
Gov Bell but would he run against Herbert?There will be others to
choose from. I am waiting anxiously to see the field. I voted for
Matheson in the last Gubernatorial election and would vote for him again, or his
brother who is currently in Congress. I would vote Republican too if the
legislature wasn't dominated by Republicans to the degree they are. Though this
state is well managed, I don't believe it is because of Republican domination,
but in spite of it. Remember that legislative Republicans have
tried to force vouchers, have dodged ethical oversight, and runs roughshod over
regular citizens. I feel it is time to bring balance to Utah governing.There are plenty of good Democrats.
Talk is cheap..... start by turning down federal dollar today... not. For
schools. For Highways. For Medicaid.... defense funds.... do it.I'll be waiting...... not holding my breath.Talk is