The AP is reporting: "University of Utah starting point guard Josh Watkins
has been suspended indefinitely for undisclosed conduct detrimental to the
team." It also says that Utah is off to its worst start in history.After this result of BYU 79, Oregon 65, I already have some predictions
for scores on February 2 and March 3 in the mighty Pac12:Oregon 70+
and Utah 45 or less.
Clark,Don't worry about No Conference Will Take Us. She is not a BYU fan.
We can thank Mark Pope for Nate Austin's improvement. With Nate's effort and
Mark's coaching, we just might have a really good group of centers.Go Cougs.
@No Conference Will Take Us 3:56Just like I told AnteleopeValleyUte,
the BCS does NOT cover basketball. The BCS is not basketball, it's only
football. In basketball, every team has an equal and fair chance to win it all.
And why rip on the WCC anyway? I think it's a terrific conference
for BYU to play in. I didn't trash the PAC-12 in my comment. Other
people have but I didn't say anything bad about the PAC-12. You
said, "It sorry when my fellow cougar fans resort to shaded threats like
this."What shaded threat? Go over to the comment board for the
U basketball game and read Cougar fans piling on the Ute team. I'm a Cougar fan,
but for me to rip on the Ute basketball team is dumb since I know they're
undergoing major rebuilding right now. My point was, Ute fans
shouldn't throw too much mud at the Cougar team, since they don't have much to
brag about right now.You said, "And its especially sorry when
fellow cougar fans say ignorant things about Utah."What
ignorant comment? Re-read AntelopeValleyUte 8:56 again. I quoted him directly.
To AntelopeValleyUte: How many times must we explain to you Ute fans, that BYU
opted not to accept the Big East invitation with its restrictions wherein BYU
would lose its home game TV broadcast rights. The Big East wanted BYU badly,
and some of their people were miffed and could not understand the reasons for
BYU's decision, which is BYU wants to be able to broadcast its home games &
rebroadcast all games to their worldwide fans. This would not be possible if
BYU joined the Big East. BYU made the Big East a counter-proposal, which was
not accepted. BYU omly wanted the same thing Texas has in the Big 12. BYU did
not expect the Big East to accept their proposal & planned to remain
independent. BYU knew they didn't have the clout that Texas has - also Texas
was already in the Big 12, so it was a matter of the Big 12 losing Texas or
giving in to their wishes, which they did (except for televising high school
games). So BYU decided to remain independent instead of caving in to the wishes
of the Big East. That doesn't make BYU prideful or possessed with an ego. BYU
is content with what they have until something better comes along, which is not
the Big East, which once again will be represented by a #23 ranked (as of last
weeks's BCS Standings) West Virginia, one of the 3 co-champions of the Big East.
I wonder how long the BCS will allow that to happen. I think not too long.
Their purpose it to have the highest ranked teams in the BCS bowls, and this
certainly isn't the case with WVU. BYU is wise to be cautious about this
decision and I feel they made the correct one.
ClarkHippo | 1:18 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011 Tooele, UTBut if you Ute
fans continually rip BYU, saying ignorant things like, "BYU will choke like
they always do in the NCAA tournament," many of my fellow Cougar fans won't
be so merciful toward your team this season.--It sorry
when my fellow cougar fans resort to shaded threats like this. And its
especially sorry when fellow cougar fans say ignorant things about Utah. Get
over it. No conference will take us. Well except a non BCS conference like the
WCC.I just don't understand why fellow cougar fans say uneducated things,
whether they mean it or not about the PAC 12. Would yo talk the same way if Utah
joined the Big 12? I would say yes. Because some obsessed cougar fans just can't
@AntelopeValleyUte 7:21You are aware this is an article about the
BYU basketball team, don't you? The BCS has nothing to do with basketball, only
football.You said at 8:56 - "BYU will choke like they always do
in the NCAA tournament."I'm curious to know what your
definition of "choke" is? Losing in the first round? If that's the
case you should be aware that two seasons ago, BYU won their first round game in
the NCAA Tournament, and last season, they won their first and second round
games.I would advice Ute fans not to rip the Cougar basketball team
too much this season. I'm willing to give your Ute basketball team the benefit
of the doubt since Larry Krystkowiak is having to literally rebuild this team
from scratch just as they begin their first season in the PAC-12. But if you Ute fans continually rip BYU, saying ignorant things like,
"BYU will choke like they always do in the NCAA tournament," many of
my fellow Cougar fans won't be so merciful toward your team this season.
"Wait, didn't USU lose to Denver. Oregon much better team from a much
better conference than Denver. "On any given day, any team can
win. It happens.
wait, this is a pac 10 plus 2 team. how can the lowly indys beat the mighty pac
10 plus 2? I don't believe it.
Wait, didn't USU lose to Denver. Oregon much better team from a much better
conference than Denver.
@nightowlDid you really bring up coattail riding? Your a Ute fan right?
Utah rode BYU's coattails for 30 years. They now ride the coattails of USC,
Oregon, Washington, ASU, Stanford Cal and a bunch of others. Utes are in a very
good position and are to be commended but your comment is ridiculous. BYU has a
very nice contract with ESPN earned on their own merits and reputation. No
coattail riding there.
I'm disappointed that this is the best coverage the DN can give after the BYU
basketball team dominates a pretty good team from the PAC 12. The BYU football
team beats Hawaii and there are six articles, while the basketball team gets an
abridged piece like this. And the basketball game concluded a lot earlier in
the day.Meanwhile, the BYU women beat down a very good basketball
team from Syracuse and they get half as much again (just a brief mention in an
article that also features Weber State).I'd wager that if Utah
basketball had accomplished either of these achievements, they would have been
given much better coverage in this newspaper, even while the boys and girls in
red don't deserve it. I'm getting tired of seeing the DN bend over backwards to
cover the pathetic utes, while BYU gets the short end when it comes to coverage.
Agree. Austin was a beast. I love this kid. Hopefully he'll make Davies better.
It's looking more and more like Austin deserves the start and Davies can come
off the bench. The kid plays more aggressively and can shoot from anywhere. He
is hungrier than Davies right now.The team looked really good
tonight. However, I don't quite understand why Rogers doesn't get more minutes.
He can flat out score!
UCLA beat BYU last year in Anaheim on a neutral court. Also, that UCLA team did
not have a senior. So much for Pac 12 dominance. Oregon is hardly a Pac 12
3 observations about the game today:1) Austin was an animal.
Drawing charges; battling for boards, and creating opportunities for teammates
to get the ball even when he couldn't; just an amazing effort by the young man.
Yeah, he fouled out, but at least two of those calls were completely bogus.
Like when he "pulled the chair" out from under the Oregon player.
Keep it up, Austin, and Davies may be coming off the bench.2)
Speaking of Davies, just not a good game from him. He needs to stop missing lay
ins so much. And the foul trouble problem has got to improve. But, he suffered
from the same problem as Austin. His final foul especially was pretty bogus.
Guy throws an elbow into Davies' gut and he gets the call? Ridiculous.3) Noah Hartsock. He is just a completely different player this season, it
seams. I don't remember him ever being so aggressive around the basket. A lot
of second chance points for him because he was following shots and not just
falling back on defense.This may just be the deepest BYU squad ever.
Maybe not the best, but the deepest.
Winder and Austin are the early surprises. Carlino may have a hard time winning
the starting PG position over Winder. Together they will make a dynamite PG
combo. And WhatsInItForMe hit the nail on the head. I'd never seen Nate Austin
play before this year and reading his bio I thought he was going to be another
James Andersen type player, especially the first year back from a mission. He
is a force to be reckoned with in the low post and will keep getting better as
the year progresses.Think about how many Freshmen are on the team.
Then think about next year we get Tyler Haws back and new recruit Jordan Chatman
and Ian Harward. The following year we get Isaac Nielsen and Kyle Collinsworth
back from missions. Then there are recruits - TJ Haws and Nick Emery for future
years (not sure when they'll serve their missions). The future is
bright. Go Cougs.
Good win for the Y, bets of the year so far. We knew they were not great this
year, losing in Logan and watching Wisc beat them badly in the second half last
week, but this shows they are capable of beating some decent teams. Oregon had a
really nice win in Lincoln before this, I'm sure they are not great, but I
didn't think BYU would handle them as well as they did.
Murph, you are very funny! The game is in Provo... BYU will crush their little
skulls and make Lillard look silly! The best thing about this years success is
that it is coming with a majority of freshman isn't it? So, this is only the
beginning of 3-4 very good years at the Y!
Pugman, your post today was a week early..... Oregon is one of the more
respectable teams in the whacky-12 this basketball season at 4-2.... The really
horrible team from the whacky-12 is the Utes and that game is one week from this
afternoon. :) I would say that the victory will be by 25 more than it was today
to prove my point. :)
Actually, maybe I should say it like this. I understand what all the craziness
on these boards is coming from... It is coming from a deep dark never ending
depression that since Majerus left the Utes have meant nothing on the
hardwoods.... In many other sports they are just another of the nobodies. Heck,
their cross country running girls best performance this year was 84th. The win 2
BCS bowls under two very respectable coaches and the last non bcs bowl they went
to they lost to non BCS Boise State.... This season was a dismal 7-5 with a last
game of the season loss to at the time 2-10 which improved to 3-10 Colorado.
Ruining their only chance to get into a BCS bowl this year. Well, at least to
compete for a shot... But let's face it... Oregon would have UCLA'd your tukuses
also. Utes.... Face the facts that BCS is not all that it is cracked up to
be.... Now that you are competing with them BEAT them! Just shows that your team
only got into BCS bowls while playing pathetic mid majors... Your arguments are
groundless! Smell the coffee!
Wow!Nate Austin.Just, WOW!Two games in a row
he shows he's more than just a frosh. This kid can play, and he's LONG!Been awhile since BYU's had a true center like this. A LONG time.Maybe never?This kid can defend AND shoot. Treys, even. Foul
shots, even.Just WOW!Two games in a row he's shown
shooting touch. And defensive ability, in spite of his slight build.Lookin' forward to Nate's career at BYU!
4-2 horrible? BCS means N O T H I N G come basketball season. It is only the
very corrupted way to determine a champion. Come basketball season all
conferences have the same shot to get in the dance, make noise and if a
cinderella emerges win it. BCS is ONLY football.... Otherwise.... The very
laughable in football bcs BIG EAST is the only of the BCS making noise this
year..... Have you noticed the polls? Have you noticed the records.... It is
time for most of you to reach down, grow a brain and USE IT!
Nightowl said,"Nothing like riding the coat tails of Gonzaga
& St. Mary's."You mean the same Gonzaga team BYU
"Jimmered" last year in the big dance?The Utes would be
riding anyone's coattails for those 440-some-odd championships would they?
Think about it, genius.
I wonder why ute fans are posting on BYU articles. They seem very uptight
Excellent win. Lot of depth and poise. Winder is getting more comfortable at
point. I think the team is starting to figure things out. Oh, and Carlino and
Collingsworth are going to join them too. It's looking good.
Duckhunter said:"I love winning but this is really nothing to
brag about. Bad team from a bad conference."Nothing like riding
the coat tails of Gonzaga & St. Mary's.
bluecoug89 said:"@NightOwlAmerica,Man, way to base
your pride on someone else's accomplishments. You talk like Utah had a hand in
all those 442 National Titles. "We lost to Colorado, but that's okay,
because we belong to a conference that won 442 national titles that we had
nothing to do with." Too bad the best team in the south division (which is
where you guys are) didn't even stand a chance against Oregon.Well
since I specifically did not say Utah, and you did. Those numbers include
national titles won by Utah.It would be very helpful for you to read posts
on this thread by your fellow BYU fans ripping the PAC 12.Envy abounds
@NightOwlAmerica,Man, way to base your pride on someone else's
accomplishments. You talk like Utah had a hand in all those 442 National Titles.
"We lost to Colorado, but that's okay, because we belong to a conference
that won 442 national titles that we had nothing to do with." Too bad the
best team in the south division (which is where you guys are) didn't even stand
a chance against Oregon.
How did utah do this afternoon??
AntelopeValleyUte said:".....Is BYU part of a BCS conference?
No; but maybe in the future if BYU gets rid of their pride and massive ego, they
will accept and be accepted."Agreed. Just look at all the egos
here by cougar fans that can't accept the fact they are on the outside looking
in.BYU will choke like they always do in the NCAA tournament. The PAC has
442 national titles in all sports. How many does the conference that BYU fully
belongs to? None! The WCC has a handful. BYU fans need to get over themselves
and stop overdosing on rhodes rolls and green jello!
@AntelopeValleyUte,What makes you think that we are jealous that we
weren't invited to the PAC 12? I watched the championship game last night,
pathetic. No jealousy there. The PAC 12's basketball teams are great as well. .
. oh, wait a second. Trust me, no one is jealous. Oh by the way, I watch our
football games on ESPN. You? We wouldn't have that if we were in the PAC 12.
And that folks, is why the PAC is called the conference of chumpions... er, I
mean champions. Hardly a tune-up game for a real basketball conference like the
Weber State will beat BYU next week. Lillard will have his way.
Quit hating on the PAC-12 just because BYU didn't get invited. Its no ones
fault that BYU didn't get invited to any BCS conference. Whether indy works for
BYU or not, only time will tell. But as of right now, the only exposure BYU is
getting is on ESPN, the PAC-12 championship game was played on FOX last night.
Will BYU get to play on FOX??? Not unless it goes undefeated and is invited to a
BCS game. At the time, in RECENT years, only four teams made it to a BCS game
against the power conferences? Utah, TCU, BSU, and Hawaii. BYU will have to do
that to gain respect. Is BYU part of a BCS conference? No; but maybe in the
future if BYU gets rid of their pride and massive ego, they will accept and be
Like last year against Arizona, won't play us on our home floor, won't play
without their own refs, and still get mauled by the Cougars from a supposedly
lessor conference. The PAC should change their self-appellation "The
Conference of Pansies"
Yeah, the PAC has taken it on the chin again today. I think the MWC and the WCC
are better. That is embarrassing.
Cougs dismantle the fourth ranked team in the PAC12. Utes get dismantled by
seventh ranked team from the WAC. Life's good.Do I hear the Utes
calling for Boylen's return?
I love winning but this is really nothing to brag about. Bad team from a bad
I was impressed. Even though Davies spent too much time on the bench, they
looked very tough inside. Austin was amazing, and Winder looked good at the
point. The shooting was great, but we would have won even without the outside
firepower because of the inside game. It was good to see.
The real reason BYU was not offered to join the pac 12 is that those liberal
schools can't stand losing to a conservative and religious school. Neutral
court and refs on their side can't stop BYU's dominance over pac 12.
You play them as they come...but that's a terrible team from a pathetic
conference. But...congrats to the cougs, keep iimproving.