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  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    I predicted this last year and last election and it has started and will continue. Romney need to grow a spine and stop slip flopping so he can concentrate on the the South where he will get bogged down again in the primaries, just like last time.

    Yes, people are more accepting of an LDS candidate but religious bigotry still exists and it is powerful.

    Anywhere you find anti Muslim, Jewish, etc type people you will find they are also anti LDS and close minded. That is why when I see and hear fellow LDS making bigoted religious comments I have to shake my head. There is a line froma song, "If they hated me they will hate you too".

    Watch the phantom robo calls and campaigning by fellow Republicans get ugly on Mitt and the LDS Church. Then you will see the true colors of the close minded Republican party I chose to no longer be a part of. You really think the hateful comments by Bachmann, Perry and other loudmouths who are open to religious bigotry use the LDS Church as a reason not to vote for Romeny, just you watch because they will get desperate.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    I think perhaps the main problem for Mitt is he did not appeal to nor respect the Tea Party and conservative republicans, taking their vote for granted. His endorsement of McCain for Senate in 2010 cemented him as an establishment Republican in minds of conservatives. Add To that his tepid attacks on Obama reinforced him as too moderate. He errored by not respecting conservative's importance to the Primary process.

  • Heidi T. Farmington, Utah
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Conservatives don't like him? I do. What government survey did you take? This entire article reeks of opinion and mighty poor "journalism."

  • Tibi001 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    I have a hunch why. It is the same reason why Lieberman never had a chance. I think Hagle is wrong.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    I think the religion is more a factor than Time Magazine makes it out to be.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Dec. 1, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    "Add To that his tepid attacks on Obama"

    I think Informed Voter has it.

    The base wants frothing attacks. For the GOP, anyone who believes that Obama is a decent human being, is the enemy.

    Additionally, one can not even entertain the possibility of MM global warming.

    The tent is very small, and becoming smaller.

    Reagan would not be allowed in todays GOP tent.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 1, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 7:12 p.m. Dec. 1, 2011
    Anywhere you find anti Muslim, Jewish, etc type people you will find they are also anti LDS and close minded. That is why when I see and hear fellow LDS making bigoted religious comments I have to shake my head.

    @John: Exactly. What goes around comes around and let the consequences follow.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    Religion. Why we love him. Why they don't.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    I just don't think he knows how to relate to people or can appreciate what people are facing right now. One example was when he joked about being unemployed--not really endearing to all those unemployed or underemployed right now. Saying corporations are people didn't really seem to make sense either. Saying that we shouldn't intervene and let the foreclosures run their course and let the market fix the housing crisis, while in Nevada--which has the highest foreclosure rate wasn't exactly smart (funny, he didn't seem to share this view with the Wall Street Bailout).

    You have to appear like you care about the average citizen even to get them to vote for you.

  • TwoBitsWorth Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    I like Romney.

    Of all Candidates I think he is the best qualified to be President.

    And I believe that he has the best chance to defeat Obama.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 1, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    If a Republican gets my vote it will have to be Huntsman. Every one of the others is more than my conscience can tolerate.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Dec. 1, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    You are seeing, for now, why Republicans don't like him. I think the GOP is too fickle, hypocritical and single issued to worry about them. The Democrats don't dislike Harry Reid so that negates the Mormon question for them. Conservative evangelicals, for the most part, are too self righteous in their religious views. Mitt Romney will have problems with blue collar Democrats for obvious reasons. And he has sent the message that he really doesn't care what they think. I have a cousin the same age as Mitt Romney. He was drafted into the Marines and spent 15 months as a grunt wading around the Vietnam jungle to draw out enemy locations. He is a blue collar union man. He won't like Mitt Romney if he makes it through the primary. So there are plenty negatives waiting to be expressed. Mitt Romney neeed to show appreciation for those voters but instead he caters to the Norquest elite.

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Dec. 1, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    Romney is a chameleon, pure and simple. How do you know which are his true colors?

    But Gingrich is a loathsome, bloviating hypocrite.

    What a predicament, huh?

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 1, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    "Romney's... a Mormon 'which usually goes unspoken but is a matter of real mistrust for many Evangelical Christian voters.'"

    This looks bad for Evangelical Christians making them hypocrites since the US Constitution clearly states that religion is not to be used as a condition of public office. Apparently they don't hold the Constitution in much esteem.

    "But Romney's real problem, according to the article, is "his brazen flip-floppery on issues large and small..."

    And what about the flip-flopping of his opponent, Newty? There's the real flip-flopper. Why does he get a pass? He even flop-flops on marriages and fidelity promises in marriages.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    Does Time magazine matter anymore? Does anyone read it? Who is Joe Klein?? I read Time 15 years ago, but does anyone read it anymore?? Who hasn't flip flopped?? In this free country, we all can change our mind from time to time----I think it is David Brooks who said he respects Mr. Romney a lot because he IS willing to change his mind. The person we should fear the most is someone who isn't flexible, reasonable and understanding. Unfortunately, many in our country get bored really easily and need someone to always be entertaining them. One of the reasons for the push to change the institution of marriage is boredom, people just want something new. Look at our former mayor of Salt Lake who is pondering a run for the White House----he is a member of one political party on Monday, then another on Tuesday, then another on Wednesday-----we can't keep our attention on one thing anymore.

  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 11:46 p.m.

    Romney has changed or adapted positions no more than Gingrich. I think the media--Time and esp. Newsweek--have to take a good hard look at themselves, on why they are so much more determined to drill down on Romney in this respect than any other candidate. What is it about Romney, Time Magazine, that makes you want to undercut him?

    Newt Gingrich is enthralled with a sense of his own intelligence . . . he will not beat Obama. Obama knows that, and thus the urgency to beat Mitt now, because he knows he can beat Newt in the general election. Newt will fall, carrying his horrendous baggage with him.

    Why won't the party embrace Mitt? It's partly Romney's money; partly his "perfection"; partly his LDS faith; partly his political changes . . . but I think most of all, those who esteem themselves to be his enemies, many of whom write for the press, are more comfortable with cantankerous adulterers than with what Romney is and represents. So they go for the juggler.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2011 11:47 p.m.

    Romney has never flip flopped on abortion rights----he has always personally been opposed to it and at the same time doesn't think a lady should go to jail for it---guess what--that is where 99 percent of our country is at!!! He never said it is a good idea and even today doesn't say a woman should be criminalized---he has never changed one iota---it is the media and ignorant, bored people who can't see that this subject is a tricky one--- evil and legal.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    Joe Klein represents the journalistic elite who are in control of major news magazines by their adherance to the socialist Marxist philosophy which is atheistic. Atheists are extremely vulnerable to the philisophical appeal of Marx's dialectic materialism where Marx gives a persuasive but fallacious argument of how everything came into existence without the necessity of there having to be a God or any kind of intelligent force directing it.
    Obviously Joe is one of those who can think in terms of focusing on a candidates strong belief in God as being a negative to his fellow atheistic voters.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:50 a.m.

    @John Jacob
    "so he can concentrate on the the South where he will get bogged down again "

    The south is a lost cause. I think Obama outlined the map Romney has to go for. He's gotta get those blue states but he's losing to Gingrich badly in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

    @Heidi T.
    "Conservatives don't like him?"

    Many don't. That's why Palin, Huckabee, Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, and now Gingrich keep spiking in polls as the "anyone but Mitt" people are searching.

    @Mr. Bean
    "This looks bad for Evangelical Christians making them hypocrites since the US Constitution clearly states that religion is not to be used as a condition of public office."

    The Constitution bans the prevention of letting someone run due to religion. It doesn't stop people from using religion in their votes (that goes both ways, voting for or against someone due to religion). Now of course I think using religion in your voting process is wrong unless the candidate's religion includes ritualistic human sacrifice in volcanoes. The thing is you can't directly tell which evangelicals are using religion and which just don't like Romneycare, or flip-flopping.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:57 a.m.

    @christoph
    "Romney has never flip flopped on abortion rights----he has always personally been opposed to it "

    In Massachusetts he said he didn't oppose Roe vs. Wade and wouldn't work to overturn it. He lied, or changed his view.

    "that is where 99 percent of our country is at!!! "

    I guess Romney is where 99% of the country is at in that he's taken every single stance on the issue.

    1. In Massachusetts he said he wouldn't oppose abortion rights.
    2. Running for the president he now wants to get rid of Roe vs. Wade.
    3. He told Huckabee he supported the personhood amendment, something so radical that even Mississippi voters rejected it. That would have banned abortion in all circumstances (including all those standard things people allow abortions for like life of the mother). It would ban many forms of birth control and shut down in-vitro fertilization (since they'd have to guarantee each fertilized egg is allowed to develop). Also, like utah's bill last year, it could launch felony manslaughter investigations into miscarriages if the miscarriage was deemed to be due to negligence.

    Romney's been all over the map on abortion.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Dec. 2, 2011 1:37 a.m.

    Jobs, jobs and more jobs!

    That is what is needed at this juncture. Whoever can deliver jobs, jobs and more jobs will/should be voted as the next president. Romney is the best candidate to deliver jobs to the American people.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Dec. 2, 2011 4:37 a.m.

    What is the Newt appeal? Lets look at him

    - Very intelligent
    - no experience (executive or business)
    - morally questionable
    - Married 3 times with affairs
    - changed positions on some hot button issues
    - an academic
    - lobbyist

    But, most of all he is the

    ULTIMATE Washington insider.

    Again, I ask - What is the Newt appeal?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 4:46 a.m.

    If we nominate Newt, we will probably lose to Obama. If Obama wins, we will sink inevitably into the abyss. He can't change is ideology and seems to be completely crippled by it. Also, Newt doesn't have any executive experience either. That puts us right back where we are with Obama.

    If Newt is nominated, he will probably self destruct before the election. The Democrats want to run against Newt. That is clear. They are hoping to take Romney out before he can be nominated.

    I think Mitt's religion is a much bigger factor than anyone is willing to admit.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:41 a.m.

    Mitt is the chosen candidate by the large media (ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, AP, UPS, etc.) If he doesn't make it out of the convention they will have backed a loser. The media will either ignore, or castigate, all other candidates in the long run. Give them some dirt, real or not, and they will make it an issue (Cain);if someone makes a verbal blunder it will be widely aired (Perry);and, if someone places high in the polls that they don't like (but have no dirt on) they will just ignore him (Paul).
    Yes, it will be difficult, but I pray that the electorate will choose a candidate that is Honest, Principled, Morally straight, and will honor an Oath to support the Constitution Prtect, and Defend this Nation.

  • Joey D WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:46 a.m.

    His refusal to denounce his own healthcare law while claiming his first act as president will be to repeal Obamacare cause many to question his judgement. The media seems to more then willing to help him self-destruct. The video's of his Flip Flopping are the most condemning.

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:47 a.m.

    I was relieved to see that add showing Newts MAJOR flip flops put out by Ron Paul. Don't we need to hold people to the same standards?
    I think most people do not know probably because they have not personally researched? They just accept what they see/read in the news? I researched on both the abortion and gay marriage issues on Mitt as I was not comfortable yet when I saw that Mitt had reasons (his aunt died of a botched abortion? before politics) for his change to a better informed opinion on abortion, but he KEPT his word to not change the law in Mass- but still he didn't sign bills to experiment on embryos etc-- . He HAS always personally been against abortion and that has not changed as he still supports that it MAY be right for incest, rape or dire threat to mothers healthy/life as I understand is the LDS stance?
    On Gay rights, I understand he thought to allow civil marriage and equal housing but has never been for gay marriage or changing marriage. Those are not flip flops in my view. We need to look for causes, and let them explain.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:52 a.m.

    I personally hope Mitt gets the nomination, gets right to the very end, and then loses the election by an incredibly small margin.

    Then he'll go on to have a lovely, aggravation-free life, while the country will continue its downward spiral.

    But it sure won't be HIS fault--it will be all the whining people who didn't step up and get behind him when they had the chance.

    I wouldn't wish being the President, with its legions of naysayers he already has to put up with, the partyline gridlock, the corruption, the lobbyists, and the totally complex, mostly unsolvable problems on a nice guy like him.

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:58 a.m.

    Newt also is rich, but how did HE get his money? (see the Ron Paul add about Newt?)
    It seems ironic that one man can be accused of being "too perfect" then the people "flip flop" to harpoon Mitt for showing discomfort in a Fox interview?
    People say they do not know what he believes. Have they gone to the source? He did a whole page article way back in his governorship about his improved view on abortion. How about we let people speak for themselves? When his father regretted a position he had had on Viet Nam, and shared why-- his one word (brainwashed) was taken out of context and given more emphasis and used to sabotage him. No wonder Mitt might be extra careful with his words? I would rather have THAT carefulness than someone who flies off the handle spouting arrogant abuse to be in charge of representing the USA!
    Any candidate needs to look at the end GOAL- beat Obama, and I believe he must also be "true to himself and it follows as night follows day that he can then not be untrue to anyone else" (paraphrasing the quote as I don't remember exactly.

  • mulrich Columbia, SC
    Dec. 2, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    Mitt's religion matters more than the Time's article let on. I don't think it's the only reason why people aren't supporting Romney, but it's definitely a factor (and likely the tipping point).

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Dec. 2, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    Just because Romney is a member of the predominant Utah religious community doesn't mean he would make a good president. He comes across as an arrogant, pompous know it all to that has no connection with the common man. Were he running for a position in charge of all the wealthy and their concerns he's be on top of the list.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    " that he's "either furtive or phony"

    ---

    Phony. Mechanical. Smug. Arrogant. Too many negative descriptive words fit the bill.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 6:55 a.m.

    Who is Joe Klein? Is he reliable, a man of character, a man who understands others? Why is his opinion worth listening to? Why is TIME magazine's opinion worth reading or believing? Why doesn't Joe Klein and TIME look into Barack Obama's past, his radical upbringing and associations, his failed policies, his inability to govern, his closed door dealings, why his poll ratings have tanked, why his wife gets booed at Nascar, why he places a moritorium on domestic drilling but gives money to Brazil to explore for their oil after George Soros purchases Brazil's oil stocks, who his campaign contributors are, etc., etc., etc.
    I don't read TIME magazine because of biased, uninformed articles published by writers like Joe Klein. I would read this magazine if it were reliable. Does that make me a flipflopper?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    FDRfan says:
    "Conservative evangelicals, for the most part, are too self righteous in their religious views."

    ---

    As are Mormons. Self-righteousness is a fairly common trait among those who call themselves religious; the two terms are apparent synonyms.

    Mitt belongs to a church that calls itself "the ONLY true church on the earth". That's a pretty big hurdle to overcome with the Evangelicals and smacks of extreme arrogance.

    Personally, I don't care that he's Mormon (I would probably vote for Huntsman). I do care greatly that the candidates are religious and wear it on their sleeves. Anybody who would use their religious values to discriminate against other Americans, and this does include Romney, (they all signed a pledge to discriminate against glbt Americans) is not fit to be President imho.

    Regardless of party, the president leads ALL Americans, not just those on his side of the aisle. That is one of the big problems in Washington today. Party loyalty supercedes Country loyalty.

    @christoph; I believe Romney's mother was very big on Pro-Choice. I'd imagine his views were certainly influenced by her.

  • Gosh-DUH Burlington, CT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    The elephant in the room is the Romney is a Latter-day Saint and religious bias is alive and well in the United States. No one would dare bring up that religious bias as a reason to not vote for a Muslim. LDS is another matter. Here in Connecticut (home of Senator Lieberman who is Jewish) there is a conservative radio station that features local talk shows (AM & PM) who are quick to jump on everyone's bandwagon but Mitt Romney's. then their ideal candidates fall by the wayside. and their responses are, "well if Romney is the nominee, I will vote for him". But they will not support him now. Sheesh. of course they will never mention that their bias is because he is LDS. they will mention Massachusetts Health Care system, and a guest comes on and highlights the differences between Obamacare and the Massachusetts plan, but then the talk show host ignores the major differences. New Jersey's Christie supports Romney.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    I can think of two reasons right off the bat...the first would be that people are biggots by nature, for the natural man is an enemy to God and will be until he becomes a saint. Second, their are a large percent of people in the US who have, through their ignorance, wealth envy. They actually think that redistribution of wealth, marxism, is necessary and good for our country. Its the us verses them mentality that is preached from the pulpit in the church of Obama, daily.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    Nobody know what this guy really believes. He reaks of Globalism. He has the most contributions by wallstreet than any other candidate. There is also no mention of the constitution anywhere on his website.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    Some of these comments are interesting, to say the least. The "persecution complex" is still part of LDS culture. On the big picture, if Romney gets the nomination, his religion will be irrelevant for 99% of all the voters. There will be virtually no decisions made on that basis except on the crazy religious right. It won't matter. But Mitt's problem is no one knows what he stands for, he is thin-skinned when it comes to criticism, and he is wooden. He will be worse than George H. W. Bush on relating to the issues of the middle class. He is an elitist and a Wall Street guy, and this will hurt him in this environment. If he wins, the abuses that led to the 2008 crash will worsen. Wall Street and the banks will have completely taken over.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Other than religion? He would be accepted in the Democratic party.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    I like Mitt, it's Time that I don't like. What a ridiculous thing to put on the front of Time.

  • utahboni Ogden, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    With Romney you get that impression that there is someone in there you haven't met yet. He comes across as someone who would fly into a rage at the drop of the hat. Most people just back away from someone who can't be authentic. To get people to like and believe in you, you have to like and believe in people. Mitt doesn't seem to like people. At this stage in his life, I don't think there is any way for him to learn to do so.
    You don't have to like people to be good at your job, but people won't hire you if they think you're going to be an attitude problem.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    Wildcat
    I dont you and many others understand his points.
    Corporations are made up of what? PEOPLE. And what do those people do? provide JOBS. punishing the corporations in reality punishes everyone who works for that corporation in causing fewer jobs.
    He said we need to let the foreclosures run their course. Is that really a bad Idea? We have had many programs trying to help people get out of the trouble they are in but they do not solve the problems. They only push the pain down the road. Most people that have gone through these programs still end up in foreclosure. Why? Because they took out loans they could never afford thinking that they could just turn around and sell the house for more than they bought it for. When the bubble burst they were caught holding it. The only way to fix it for them is to force the banks to reduce the loan amount to what they can afford to pay. That however rewards their bad judgement and teaches people that your actions have no consequences. It also hurts our legal system as contracts then mean nothing.

  • Keith43 Springville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    As with any candidate, it comes back to Romneys lack of integrity. To say that all good candidates evolve, is true but, that doesnt excuse the fact that Romney is all the things that Klein pointed out. In these serious troubled times were experiencing, like the rest, Romney has offered nothing of substance. He is uninspiring. He is an elitist and flip-flops on nearly everything. Kleins question is fair to ask. Does anyone besides Romney himself, really know who he is and what his core beliefs are?

    When youre not in politics, these character defects would be labeled as lying, misleading, deceptive, or dishonest. With many Church members, Romney gets a pass. Its just politics. In view of the LDS Churchs teachings and values, we should hold him to a higher standard.

    The only person Ive observed who has the integrity to truthfully state what is and is not right in this nation, and who is willing to DO WHAT IS NEEDED, is Ron Paul. The other candidates and the media, as usual, have aligned themselves with the same people and failed programs of a nation that is dying.

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    The sad thing is that many LDS have blinders on -- they support Romney BECAUSE he is LDS. I see the excuses are already in the making if he does not become the next President: because Americans won't vote for a mormon. People really need to take off their blinders and realize that if he is not elected there are a variety of reasons that each American who choses to not vote for him may use. Many of these reasons are listed in these posts.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    The inperfect candidates on the Republican ticket should all to be admired in their desire to repalace the Obama regime. Non of us, as well as non of the Republican Candidates are perfect. Quit looking for this people and get to work and get the ruination of Obama behind us...vote him out. the primaries will decide on who is "most perfect". Get behind the ticket and push this little Chicago trained dictator out for good. Quit downgrading these good people running on the Republican ticket.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    Anybody that says they don't know what Romney really believes or who he really is just shows they haven't done their homework. They just read what others say about him. I've read his book and his website. I watch speeches he's made and anything else I can find coming directly from him in context. I feel like I know him and where he stands.

    The media and other candidates will take snipets of things he's said out of context to make him look like a flip-flopper. They harp on that because it's the only thing they can do against him. They won't find any personal dirt on him. He is a good man of integrity. Any changes he's made in policy issues have come because of serious efforts to find the best options for America. I respect someone who isn't so set in their ways that they can't consider new ideas and concepts in this ever changing world.

    I challenge everyone to check out Romney's website and google whyromney if you dare to open your mind. I am LDS, but my support for him has nothing to do with that.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    poor kami, the selfappointed conscience of the LDS church. kami, if you don't want a candidate that is a mormon, fine, don't vote for him. he is by far the most qualified, but if you want second rate actors, feel free to vote for them, with your blinders on and all.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Plain and simple, Mitt Romney does not ring true or just. He comes accross as a rich self serving politician; and not what the nation needs: a patriot and statesman.

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Americans don't care about a candidate's religion and they don't like shallowness.

    The last time a presidential candidate from Massachusetts ran, he was a flip-flopper with perfect hair. Romney is even worse than Kerry! The Party of Conservatives should field a candidate who is a veteran, frugal, person-of-the-middle with real convictions.

    Romney should have served during Vietnam, but he was a draft dodger who never wore a uniform. He never went to a public school a single day! He was raised with a silver spoon. He has never balanced a checkbook, repaired his car, made a piece of furniture. He has never worried about making ends meet.

    Romney has no idea what we in the middle are concerned about. He's a shallow flip-flopper chasing after power and prestege. Where has the GOP gone wrong?

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    LDS readers of the Deseret news are increasingly becoming analytical of Time magazine and writers such as Joe Klein. Jewish members of the Mormon church have explained how some of their kinsmen such as Joe Klein have lined up on the side of Marxist Socialism. Their response is interesting. And I'll tell you later when I get home from work.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    As a minority in the LDS Church (a Dem) I quite agree with utahboni - will the real Mitt Romney please stand up?

    Personally I like Huntsman and many of the things he says - but he is a quitter.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    "The Mormon stuff always gets mentioned and I just hate that, because I don't think it's a factor," - Article

    It is not.

    *'Mitt Romney steers clear of Ohio health, union issues' - By Dan Sewell - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/25/11

    Then:

    *'Mitt Romney reverses himself, supports anti-union law' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/26/11

    'FAIRFAX, Va. A day after he refused to endorse an Ohio ballot measure that limits public employee union rights, Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Wednesday that he is "110 percent" behind the effort.'

    Zero to 110% in 24 hours.

    Another example:

    *'Mitt Romney pledges opposition to gay marriage' - CBS News - 08/04/11

    Then:

    'It's also notable because Romney was not always such a strong opponent of gay rights. In 1994, he sent a letter to a gay Republican group saying he would be a stronger advocate for gay rights...' - Same Article!

    It has always been Romney's factual ACTIONS that make me...

    vote for Obama.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Also, let's got into some of Romney's claims.

    Job creator:

    Mitt Romney on Job creation:
    From 2003-2007 job growth....0.9%.
    In rankings with the rest of the country...MA was 47th in Job creation when Mitt Romney was there.
    - Think Progress Travis Waldron 06/02/11

    *'Mitt Romney as job creator clashes with Bain record of job cuts' - By Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11

    'Employees who lost jobs at Bain-controlled companies more than a decade ago say they still hold Romney responsible.
    "I would not vote for him for anything," said Phyllis Detro, 68, who lost her job...'

    *'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08

    Predicted result:

    *'How Many Jobs Depend on the Big Three?' - By CATHERINE RAMPELL - NY Times - 11/17/08

    'In both cases, there would be major short-term shocks to employment; depending on which scenario you use, a contraction of the Detroit Three would result in direct and indirect job losses of 2.5 million to 3 million in 2009.'

    3 million American jobs...

    lost.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    Mitt is a flip flopper-so are all politicians. Mitt is rich-so are all politicians. Mitt is a Mormon-So is Jon Huntsman and look how he is doing in the polls. It is time to face the facts religion does matter. Being LDS is not going to help you get to the White House even if it is the party most members of the LDS church support blindly.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    Also:

    *'GOP contenders argue on Iran' - By Kasie Hunt - AP - Published by DSNews - 11/12/11

    "If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if you elect Mitt Romney, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon," vowed the former Massachusetts governor.'

    Sound familiar?

    It should.

    Cause:

    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

    *'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News - 01/12/05

    'Mr Duelfer reported last year that Iraq had no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons at the time of the US-led invasion nearly two years ago.'


    Effect:

    *'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 11/22/2011

    I do NOT support yet ANOTHER war that might cost America $3 trillion dollars and...

    over 4,000 American lives.

    Based on the lie, of WMD's.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    At least Romney is in touch with economic realities! Obama never has been, and never will be. Inspite of Romney's short comings (real or imagined), he will be a much better leader than what we have in the White House today! Come to think of it, who wouldn't be?

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Mc | 8:23 a.m. Dec. 2, 2011
    West Jordan, UT
    "The media and other candidates will take snipets of things he's said out of context to make him look like a flip-flopper. "

    You mean like the ad Romney has run about Obama and Romney refuses to retract the ad saying that those were Obamas words (even though the context wasn't provided in the ad). What goes around comes around.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Esquire: "The "persecution complex" is still part of LDS culture. On the big picture, if Romney gets the nomination, his religion will be irrelevant for 99% of all the voters."

    Maybe.

    But if Mitt ever manages to pull off the election and win, you can bet somehow the LDS Church will get some blame and mention for any problem, every misstep, and anything that ever goes wrong.(remember Prop 8, where there were many factors and groups involved, but who gets the "blame"?)

    Its hard to imagine every downturn and problem, every disappointment-the economy doesn't turn around, not enough new jobs, wall street and banking woes, wars, oil shortages, high prices, national disasters etc etc
    won't all be portrayed and spoken of somehow, in public and in private, because "we were stupid enough to be duped into believing and choosing a Mormon" or "God is punishing the country for allowing a Mormon to be President", or "Mitt's church leaders have a strangle hold on him and make him do whatever they say"...

    You can hear it all already.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Prediction:
    Rubeuplicans will nominate a candidate that can't be elected and then will pat them selves on the back for being true to their convictions. Meanwhile the congress keeps giving and the president keeps spending.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Romney is not on the Sunday morning talk shows because he is probably in a Mormon church worshipping as most active Mormons do on Sunday. The evangelical christians should be in church on Sunday as well and they should respect Romney for obeying the sabbath day.

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    About any candidates religion or opinion on anything how about we go to the best
    sources? (hint, it is not the media. Shouldn't we go to the person, let them
    explain or let them choose who to represent them?

    Mitt has given a speech on how his religion will not be any issue in his political
    service, and we can see from his service as governor too.

    --- To consider that Obamacare was modeled after Mitts specific states
    (mediated with those concerned in that state),
    and then changed by others,
    means it is not the same!
    The monster in Frankenstein was modeled after humans but changes can make big differences.

    I understand people who want to know about his Mormon religion are told to ask other Morons (not running for office?) or go to Mormon.org or LDS.org where there are FAQ and even live chat. I understand they will NOT promote any candidate. I think that is good!

    Let us look at the past record/actions of and reasons for actions given by
    any candidate being considered. Isn't that how you want to be treated? That is how I want to be treated.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I'm not sure we want a big flashy candidate. Does anyone live that way? Romney's "steady eddie" approach is absolutely crucial for electability. And Romney's willingness to bring conservatives to all citizens, not just the extreme right, is refreshing for a national election (not just for the Primaries). I also don't see flip-flopping as that big a deal if there's evidence that the change in positions is based upon an attempt to better understand the issues from all sides.

    As for courage... how much courage does it take to cheat on your wife? Yet the other front-runners are repeat offenders when it comes to the character issue...

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    @windsor
    "(remember Prop 8, where there were many factors and groups involved, but who gets the "blame"?) "

    LDS members are 2% of californians but contributed 50% of the pro-prop 8 donations and about 3/4 of the volunteer hours. The reason the LDS church gets the blame for Prop 8 is because of their disproportionate involvement.

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    @atl134
    I doubt that Romney would comment to Huckabee that he supported a specific amendment like you say-- as Mitt seems careful to do no such a thing.
    I think maybe someone has misrepresented him?
    I totally see him agreeing that embryos should not be used for stem cell experiments as they have personhood (he voted against that) but I doubt he would deny all abortions (ones for incest, rape or where the mothers live/health was in grave danger).

    Please, let us go to the source (person) and let them speak in their own words, without spin.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    To attack Times magazine, calling them 'Marxist, Socialist' is NOT doing the LDS church any favors. And promotes Mormons trying to be victims, rather being able to stand against criticism.

    OTHER than: 1) Mitt chaning in stance on EVERY issues, 2) having a poor job creator history 3) Promoting yet ANOTHER war 4) Romneycare 5) Proven LIES in Romney's adds...

    let's talk about religion. Since everyone HAS too.

    # 1: Prop 8.

    Romney can FACTUALLY marry his spouse. He supported a religious effort to DENY that, to lgbt persons.

    Invasive & factually affecting persons who do NOT adhere to that faith.

    # 2:

    *'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 07/17/11

    Sound familiar?

    *'Trump on Obama's Birth Certificate: 'Maybe It Says He's a Muslim' - Fox Nation - 03/30/11

    Fox news has attempted to 'discredit' the Christianity of BOTH Romney AND Obama!

    So, the claim of 'religious' persecution is not SELECTIVE, according to Fox News.

    Since EVERYONE was implying Obama was a Muslim...

    x9 months ago.

    And for all those that claim I will not vote for Romney due to his faith...

    I have a long history of support of John Huntsman.

    Good day.

  • The_Kaiser Holladay, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Romney is:

    Pro-torture
    Pro-war

    Romney wants to:

    Cut spending but NOT government
    Put a carrier in the gulf outside Iran (as if we don't have enough war already)

    Romney has flipped on:

    TARP bailouts of wall-street, banks, and other corporations
    Abortion
    Federal Healthcare

    Romney has been called out on Constutional procedures that he doesn't understand in debates. The Constitution should be foremost followed, though most of the U.S. public know nothing about the Constitution except it lets us have "liberty".

    Red flags, all around.

    Ron Paul is anti-war, anti-torture, and the Champion of the Constitution. Anyone who scoffs at Ron Paul should read Revolution: A Manifesto before casting judgment on the man who has stood more with our Constitution than anyone since our Framers molded our Constitution.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    Dutchman | 8:59 a.m. Dec. 2, 2011
    Murray, UT
    Romney is not on the Sunday morning talk shows because he is probably in a Mormon church worshipping as most active Mormons do on Sunday. The evangelical christians should be in church on Sunday as well and they should respect Romney for obeying the sabbath day.

    @Dutchman, are you saying that if Romney is elected President that the citizens of this nation are going to have to expect that their President will be "obeying the sabbath day" and taking Sundays off in running this country? Perhaps that should be a question that should be asked of him and asked soon.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Look, here's the thing. I'm a social conservative Mormon Republican
    -- and I don't like him as a candidate. I like him as a person, but I
    don't like him on the issues. That's not a personal thing -- that's
    the choices he's been making as a candidate.

    When I get a chance to read the actual article (I didn't see it linked
    here) I'll be anxious to see if Time magazine tackles things like
    Romney's inexplicable hawkishness on war or his many big central
    government stances. It sounds like Klein might touch on the big
    Federal program thing with the comments about "Tea Party support" but
    as a Mormon my largest concern with Mitt the Presidential candidate is
    his penchant for hiring up the most thoughtless warhawks in the
    business to advise him on whether we ought to break up families and
    send our volunteer defense forces overseas on objectiveless missions.

    In 2006 Mitt talked to the AP about his Father's (George, '68) failed
    candidacy. In that interview Mitt admitted that -- though it unfairly
    cost George the candidacy -- that his Dad was right to finally
    question our policies in Vietnam. I'm looking for a Presidential
    candidate willing to do that now

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    If this flip flopping moniker is so bothersome to folks, they should be kicking Obama out of the whitehouse right now.

    Please show me a politician who hasn't changed their stance on an issue or become more clear during their career, anyone?

    Go to Romney's site and read about his stances and how he see's things. You'll be running to the voting booth to get him elected.

    However, if it's the Mormon thing you're hung up about, you're the last person that should be judging Mitt. You've got some bigotry issues to deal with.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Romney has shown the most character too me. And while Newt seems very level headed, I won't vote for someone who's about as chaste as Bill Clinton. Perry makes a fool of himself, Cain is sketchy and his staff seem incompetent. Everyone else running doesn't have a chance. I guess that leaves Romney..

  • N.C.Y. Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 2, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Romney is the best person to bring both sides together and create a strong economy bases on conservative principles. It's not even close.

    This article speculates on so many things, it's yellow journalism at it's best. Reporters have long ago lost the priviledge of being the sentinals of truth. They position themselves in an influential market to promote personal interests.

    If the Time is so concerned about the lack of "courage" they need to look no further than the white house.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Dec. 2, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    "Romney is the best person to bring both sides together and create a strong economy bases on conservative principles."

    Agreed.

    And that is why the GOP base is leery of him.

    "bringing both sides together" can ONLY be done through compromise.

    A reasonable approach, by most measures. One that Romney is smart enough to recognize.

    But, the GOP no longer wants compromise. They demand 100% of what they want and are willing to give NOTHING in return.

    They are afraid that Romney will work with the other side.

    And they want none of that.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Dec. 2, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    Careful, alt134.

    Remember, LBGT are a lower percentage of the population than their "disproportionate involvement" would indicate is wise.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    Mitt would make a great president. The BIG problem here is the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity etc... These people all have BIG influence and BIG voices and what they say most conservatives just follow along. Rush says Mitt isn't a true conservative - what ever that means and the Tea Party is looking for the second coming of Ronald Reagan...which doesn't exist. What I FEAR is that independent voters will not go for Newt and thus Obama will get another 4 years. So in effect - the Tea Party, Rush and Hannity may be unwittingly helping Barack Obama win re-election. Mitt is HUGE with independents and and Newt is luke warm.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    ClarkKent | 8:52 a.m

    Romney's ad was accompanied by a press release saying the clip of Obama was actually him quoting McCain. No deception there. They were just pointing out that Obama is in the same position now: if they talk about the economy he will lose. Most media outlets neglected to include the press release along with the ad, letting it appear that Romney was being deceptive or outright accusing him of deception.

    It doesn't seem to matter how many times Romney explains his positions in regard to the "flip-flops" he is accused of. It is never enough or it is ignored or they just say he isn't sincere. When other candidates make explanations of any of their changes in policy, the media, including Fox, accepts it on face value. With Romney they say "but which Romney will we end up with"?

    There is a double standard for candidates depending on who the media outlet favors. For example, why should Cain's campaign be doomed over unsubstantiated accusations while Gingrich's poll numbers skyrocket when he admitted to worse than the Cain accusations? Gingrich cheated on two wives, the last whiloe in Congress. Why does he get a pass?

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Two main reasons. First, he doesn't know what he stands for and changes with the crowd. Second, he is LDS and his allegiance is to this Church and not to the Constitution of the United States. No LDS person should hold public office as their loyalty to the government and people is always suspect.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    There is no such thing as the perfect candidate. So Romney has some warts that people find hard to swallow (LDS, Romney-care, flip-flopping on some issues, etc., etc.). Once he is made the republican nominee, people will vote for him, because we all know Obama HAS to go, for the sake of saving this country. Romney is the only one competent and experienced enough to save our economy from what the damage that the marxists have done, and when it really comes down to it, that's what counts to most Americans.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    "Romney's ad was accompanied by a press release saying the clip of Obama was actually him quoting McCain. No deception there"

    "Most media outlets neglected to include the press release along with the ad"

    The ad was certainly meant to stand alone. It is a paid advertisement.

    Are you saying that it is the "media outlets" responsibility to also reference a press release?

    It was deceptive. It was meant to be deceptive. And you know it was deceptive.

    "There is a double standard for candidates depending on who the media outlet favors"

    Uh, are you aware that it was the FOX affiliate in Atlanta who first broke the story?

  • grip Meridian, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    I support Mitt Romney. If Republicans continue to pursue the "anybody but Romney" path, they will end up with Obama. Mitt has wisdom with his knowledge, stability in his respect for states rights, success in business and bringing together deeply divided people: A divided Massachusetts legislature and the failing Olympics. He knows finance: balanced budget (and a surplus) in Mass. and a "clean-up" of corruption and ending with a surplus in the Olympics. He is faithful and loyal to this nation and to his family. I am not concerned about his religious beliefs as I am interested in electing a President - not a guide in my beliefs. I am not bigoted nor do I wish to apply a test to the candidates forbidden under our US Constitution. We need his abilities to get this special nation back on track. I do not envy him in such a challenge but I fully suport him.

  • Sally Smiles-a-Lot Vernal, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    I firmly believe Mitt is the most qualified candidate. He is a little socially awkward, which seems odd due to the many social situations he has always had to be in, but that doesn't take away from the intelligence and ability that he has, especially in the financial arena, which is where his expertise is badly needed right now. He was raised to be a nice guy, and I think it is hard for him to personally attack other people. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way it is when running for office. He is also a man I respect.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    As most of you already know, the President's campaign is spending lots of money on negative campaign tactics and advertisements. Time Magazines editor, Richard Stengel made Barack Obama as Person of the Year in December 2008, right after the election and minutes away from the announcement of the Nobel Peace Prize as a brand new President. Time has been in love with Mr. Obama since 1980 when they did a photo op on him. Time never wants to show unbiased journalism in their magazine so why should they change now. Flip-flopping is the buzz word of today for political rhetoric. When you become President and have the media on your side 100 percent, the changes in the President's thought processes and decisions are never called flip-flopping as that is a negative term and is very selective for Governor Romney. Governor Romney was elected Governor in a very liberal state and did a good job in that state working with mostly Democrats in their legislature, especially as a laboratory for what Massachusetts thought was a good plan for state healthcare. We can always second guess decisions of legislative and executive officer bills and they know better now

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Dektol | 11:02 a.m

    You couldn't be more wrong about the LDS Church and it's allegiance to the Constitution of the United States. I can only assume that your opinion comes from pure ignorance of LDS beliefs or total misunderstanding of them.

    If you think Romney doesn't know what he stands for then you haven't read anything he actually wrote or listened to a full speech by him. You have only read headlines or articles written by others. You are showing your lack of research and willingness to believe whatever you read in the newspaper.

  • Riles Midway, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    "Jowers said voters understand that "all good candidates evolve with the world around them, and with the new positions they're seeking," including Rommey."

    Which explains perfectly why we have a boatload of politicians without principles running our government supposedly of, by, and for the people. Instead of considering candidates whose morals, ideals, and beliefs change with the direction of the wind, shouldn't we be looking for consistency, predictability, integrity, and honesty? What Jowers is describing here is a recipe for disaster and not at all what I'm looking for.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    At least some admit they are bigots on religious grounds.
    Many other excuses simply don't make sense.

    I still don't know if I'll vote for Mitt, but, as an LDS I understand that his Church teaches that the Constitution is inspired, and that leaders are not to dictate rules and laws against the will of the People. As Gov of Massachusetts he was elected to represent the people there and he did a good job of that. If he simply went with what his Church teaches on abortion etc he would be suspect. What he has done though, is represent. America is not a monarchy or a dictatorship, it is government by the people. I think he has shown backbone in representing people that disagreed with him on certain moral principles.

    There are many excuses for hatred. I've seen evangelicals justify it simply for religion, or saying Mitt's Church changes and they don't know what his Church will dictate to him. This is silly. Yes Christ's Church progresses and changes. Jesus made many changes while on earth, then through Peter and etc (Peter was racist,wouldn't share the gospel etc) but change is good sometimes...hating is bad : )

  • Kiyo Washougal, Washington
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    ......Bachman and Romney and Paul are loose cannons, and would be difficult to manage from the left......hence all the "gotcha" journalism and "are you a flake" questions.........What do you expect from TIME magazine??????.........This however is an important part of the vetting process, is it not?

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    KC Mormon

    Let me respectfully disagree with you. I understand what Mitt meant by his poorly-phrased Corporations are people, I just don't agree with it. Corporations are comprised of people, but aren't people--a very important distinction. They have rights and benefits that people don't have, and now thanks so the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling also enjoy the rights of an individual. How as I as one person can compete with Halliburton, a conglamoration of people? I can't. Corporations should be treated differently. CEOs and corporations don't create jobs, consumer demand does.

    I would submit to you that going back to Clinton tax rates is not punishing corporations. Since the tax cuts didn't spur the economy, the tax cuts should expire. If I were to rob someone, I would be punished, but GE paid no taxes along with several other corporations, they are in fact robbing us without penalty.

    If Mitt believes in people being responsible for their actions, why did he support the Wall Street TARP? The difference is that some people were preyed upon by predatory banks while Wall Street was the predator. Mitt wants to punish the victim instead of the predator.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    @Gramajane
    "I doubt that Romney would comment to Huckabee that he supported a specific amendment like you say-- as Mitt seems careful to do no such a thing. "

    That's why it was so surprising. He usually doesn't do that kind of thing.

    Under politifacts analysis of Wasserman-Shultz's claim that Romney supports the personhood amendment (which they graded "mostly true")

    "In an Oct. 2, 2011, interview with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- a onetime Republican presidential candidate who now hosts a talk show on Fox News -- Huckabee asked Romney, "Would you have supported the constitutional amendment that would have established the definition of life at conception?" Romney answered, "Absolutely.""

    With later remarks Romney seems to not be entirely aware of what such an amendment would mean; it's like he agreed to it without knowing he doesn't quite actually support such a thing given the usual definition of such an amendment. I'm pretty sure his position allows for the standard three things the LDS church allows for... but an amendment that defines life at conception would allow for no exceptions.

  • Kiyo Washougal, Washington
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    ........you're picture on the cover of TIME magazine......Pretty good exposure for you Mitt.........Who would ever have thought of it?

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    If changing your views makes you a flip-flopper, then the best President of the 20th century was also the greatest flip-flopper. Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat in his early years. Tthere is nothing wrong with changing one's views, esecially when you explain the reasons why you changed as Romney has done and don't flip back and forth between the two views. It would be very arrogant for anyone to say they will never change views - that would imply believing that you are automatically right on every issue and not capable of being wrong. Or not capable of learning.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Sorry about the typos. This is corrected:
    If changing your views makes you a flip-flopper, then the best President of the 20th century was also the greatest flip-flopper. Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat in his early years. There is nothing wrong with changing one's views, especially when you explain the reasons why you changed as Romney has done and don't flip back and forth between the two views. It would be very arrogant for anyone to say they will never change views - that would imply believing that you are automatically right on every issue and not capable of being wrong. Or not capable of learning.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Never has the phrase "Divided We Fall" meant more. Romney is far more qualified than anyone in the GOP and 10 times more qualified that anyone on the Democrat side. And yet, the right will resurrect a polarizing figure like Gingrich, who is the purest politician there is because someone told them it ought to be that way. What a joke.

  • Scotwright SANFORD, NC
    Dec. 2, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    As I told some relatives at Thanksgiving this election is critically important to our future. The 2012 election is way too important to allow religious prejudice to keep us from ousting Obama. Romney is the best man for the job. The so-called flip-flopping is a stupid argument. Have you ever changed an opinion after getting better information? So has Mitt Romney. If so YOU are a "flip-flopper" and if you haven't you are brain dead. The next election is the most important referendum on freedom in my lifetime. If Obama is re-elected, even with a Republican Majority, he will continue to try to destroy this country. Right now the powers that be want Newt to be our nominee. When Gringrich assumes that mantle the war to stop him will begin. Newt has more awful marital and political baggage to sink an ocean liner and Obama will use it to sink America. Now is the time to Stand with Mitt and stop this foolishness. God Bless America and all the people who fight for it.

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    "Klein wrote that despite Romney's strong debate performances and the diversion created by the troubles of his GOP opponents, 'the question always remains: Who is he really? Do we have any clues as to what he actually believes?'"

    Too bad these same liberal journos couldn't bring themselves to ask the same question of Obama...his campaign was nothing but generalities and platitudes and anyone who dared ask him for specifics or questioned his positions was automatically labeled a racist, even to include Bill Clinton.

    Having said that, Romney's problems are his Romneycare and other "previously held" liberal positions. A majority of Americans were shocked at how quickly and blatantly Obama promoted socialism once elected, shocked at his Chavez-like actions, etc and want to stay as far from that as possible (Thus 2010 midterms). Romney can't bring himself to accept conservatives see him as the inventor of Obamacare. Conservatives are looking for TRUE, rock-solid conservatism in their candidate and don't see that in Mitt. It's no more complicated than that. In the end though, if Mitt gets the nomination, most will rally to him because ANY GOP candidate is better than Obama.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    Dec. 2, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Wildcat
    Do you understand how business works? When you take a business and tax it with one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world you drive them to take business over seas. When you say yes you made this money in country X and paid taxes there we are going to tax you again to bring that money back here what is going to happen to that money? it stays over seas. Because of this companies like GE can make make billions yet pay no tax because they made a loss in the U.S. and a profit over seas. They simply keep the money over seas. This causes them to intentionally loos money in the U.S.
    As for bank Tarp verses reducing loan amounts Tarp was a loan that the banks had to pay back or loos everything what you are asking for is the right for people to take out loans and then say well I can not pay so you must reduce my loan. As for predatory loans the regulations placed on banks required them to offer those loans but people still should use common sense when taking out loans.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 2, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    Don't let journalists do your thinking.

    Vote intelligent!

  • nick Provo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    Something to consider when comparing Newt and Mitt. Newts biological father died at age 47, his mother at 78. Newt is 68 and significantly overweight. Mitts father died at age 88, his mother at 89. Mitt is 64, trim, and runs an hour every day.

  • wrz Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 2, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    @Wildcat:

    "Corporations are comprised of people, but aren't people--a very important distinction."

    Corporations are creatures created by state law with certain rights, powers, and responsibilities. They are a special kind of 'person' entity. They can sue and be sued. They can hire and fire. The biggest difference is, people eat food, drink water, and make love. Corporations can't, don't... and have no need to.

    CEO's, et. al., are merely employees working for the corporate 'person.' The owners of corporations are the stockholders. The corporation is one of three business organizations. The other two are sole proprietorships and partnerships. The latter two are real people 'persons.' The corporation is the created 'person.'

    "How as I as one person can compete with Halliburton, a conglomeration of people? I can't."

    How did Bill Gates compete? He and his friends started Microsoft in a garage. If he can compete, and did, anyone can.

    "CEOs and corporations don't create jobs, consumer demand does."

    Too funny!

    Corporations meet consumer demands by creating products/services the consumer wants/demands. And they hire people to help. Much of the success of our economy is the direct result of the creation of the corporate entity.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Dec. 2, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Time Magazine ask Why voters don't like Mitt?

    Wrong question.

    The question at this moment should be: Why Republicans don't like Mitt?

    If the Republicans are not able to support him. Why the voters at large should?

    It seems that 2012 will give a second term to President Obama.

  • AnH Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Folks don't trust Romney for his flip/flops? We didn't need a Time article to tell us this.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Who is paying Time to come up with negative campaigning? Who pays for the President to go around performing his "Presidential Duties" which is not campaigning as he campaigns? With the media out to get the Republicans, who are eating themselves or have eaten themselves, there still should be a level playing field, which I don't think there is. Romney is the TARGET for the President Obama. The President see Newt as a danger if he gets the nomination, if it comes to that. If Newt is so smart why does he carry so much excess baggage with him. He sort of reminds me of what Ross Perot did in 1992, entering in to see what chaos he can cause for the Republican party. The media is portraying Newt as the new Bachman, Cain, Perry, etc. In the an operation you want to split and divide if you want to conquer. In December 2007, 4 years ago, that is when Senator McCain basically got the nomination as the front runner due to debates, not from primaries, etc. The Convention only solidified it and the Vice-Presidential running mate was a surprise to many. The field is narrowing to beat Obama.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    WRZ

    I think you missed my point, the consumer demand drives the jobs. Innovative products can be made that spur consumer demand, but without the demand the job will not be solvent.

    I can make an innovative product, but can I pay millions of dollars to get Congress to give me legislation for competitive advantage like a corporation? No.

    KC Mormon

    We will never see all the TARP money repaid in full--trust me. The auto industry however is paying back their loans. If we change the tax code and enforce regulation then a company that holds their money overseas should not have access to the US market with product. We enforce the tax code and get ride of the loopholes and charge them for profit they make regardless if they move the money overseas. They are just evading taxes in a fancy business-like term by moving it off shore. You try it and see if the IRS looks the other way. Have a nice day.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 2, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    @AnH:

    "Folks don't trust Romney for his flip/flops? We didn't need a Time article to tell us this."

    If you don't like flop-flips you certainly won't like Newties. He's got myriads of flip-flops, zigzags, and mind changes...

    Climate change, immigration, health-care mandate, cap-and-trade, Libya, shifting stands on Freddie Mac (while taking almost $2 million for strategic advice as an history professor), individual mandate (in exchange for $37 million in cash), universal private insurance, end of life care (that he now opposes).

    And some flip flops are ugly... adultery, marriage promises, and fidelity.

    --------------------

    Governor Chris Christie, come quick! We need you! Can't you see that you will zoom right to the top? Get cracking.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Three words to explain it: Republican. Flip. Flop.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    20 years ago this would be story, but nobody reads Time anymore.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    A person that doesn't change his view when given additional information is closed-minded and stiff-necked.
    I've changed my mind a few times myself but never called a flip-flopper.

    I liked Mitt's response in the debates, as I recall it. "I've been married to the same woman for 40 years and belonged to the same church my whole life. Is that a flip-flopper?"

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    I used to read Time, now I don't. Guess I'm a flip-flopper.

  • bluejean Farmington, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    Voters were fooled into thinking that Barack H. Obama was their man and that (foolish element) hasn't changed much.

    A growing horde of conservatives seek revenge for what happened in 2008. They thoughlessly drool over seeing a republican candidate (Gingerich) verbally assault Obama in a debate. Do they realize they have placed pride over nation?

    Meanwhile, Rome (America) burns and the economy takes it toll on more and more American lives. The solution to America's problems is found in a candidate (Romney) that they don't like for the pettiest and most unfounded paranoid reasons. They will probably get what they want....deserve.

    Let us not forget that they shunned conservative and honorable candidates: Bachman, Santorum, and Perry because of their debate performances, and are now salivating over a reformed womanizing adulterer, a deeply ingrained Washington insider, who is a good debater. Go figure.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Dec. 2, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    Sayin' it again, hope it puts some out of their pain. I will only vote Mitt if he's the nominee. The libs are destroying our republic, so any of the current contenders would be better, marital histories aside. How hideous was Clinton to live through, but he knew how to compromise and he eventually saved the entire Balkans from implosion by rescuing Kosovo. All Mitt's negatives mentioned in the article and in these comments add up to a trust issue. I would campaign for Huntsman if he would get more dynamic and urgent in his delivery. I wish Huntsman would replace Romney, at least flipping would be a non- issue.

    I'm not sure Utah Mormons can view MR objectively, as per these comments. But I can tell the whiners here that Mitt's religion IS the deal breaker for my evangelical camp. We are not saying anything about a candidate's right to religious affiliation. We are saying exactly what Jeffress and other pastors say from their pulpit: Do your LDS homework and you will know where a staunch Mormon's allegiance lies, (which excludes Huntsman). He is ultimately held to the dictates of his prophet.

    Own your own theology, please.

  • CabezaMan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 2, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    PT Barnum is credited with the phrase "There's a succor born every minute." He actually never said it, but what the heck. Nevertheless, it seems to be true, because there are a lot of succors out there getting led down a path of outright lies and half truths, and the ones doing the leading are the very enemy we're trying to defeat. What's amazing are the completely transparent so called comical "proofs" out on the web to show Romney's "flip-flopping." And the majority are buying into it! It's sad if we're that stupid. Example:

    @atl134
    "He told Huckabee he supported the personhood amendment..."

    Are you kidding? No, he did not! Do you actually know what he agreed to, "Absolutely?" You're either one of the agendized liars, or you're one of those "bobbing heads" biting the bait because it's "oh so shiny."

    Mitt did admittedly alter his stance on Roe v Wade (but not his personal view on abortion), and he explained himself. So what?! Now he's a flip-flopper on everything, and the Pied Piper keeps playing his pipe. Are we really going to throw our best hope under the bus because we're so easily played? Really?

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    Romney would be a good president because of his ability to learn and progress. Flip-flopping is a national media term that they themselves have saddled him with. I appreciate his ability to have an opinion, study the situation and make changes. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH has done that. There is no bad-mouthing someone else who does that. The continual harrassment in that arena is to keep negative things in front of the American people. You've said it, now drop it and allow the average American to make a decision. Nobody has "flip-flopped" more than Barak and yet....no criticism from the media.

  • Alfred Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 2, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    @Shazandra:

    "But I can tell the whiners here that Mitt's religion IS the deal breaker for my evangelical camp."

    You better look closely at your evangelical camp, then. Because the Mormon camp and your evangelical camp are close to 95 percent alike.

    "We are not saying anything about a candidate's right to religious affiliation."

    You certainly are saying something. Because, if Romney was not LDS you sound like you'd vote for him. You're coming across two-faced.

    "We are saying exactly what Jeffress and other pastors say from their pulpit: Do your LDS homework and you will know where a staunch Mormon's allegiance lies."

    Jeffress and other pastors are should research their own origins.

    "He is ultimately held to the dictates of his prophet."

    That's probably true... and his prophet says this country is choice above all other lands, that the Founding Fathers were inspired as they penned the US Constitution which should be defended at all costs.

    "Own your own theology, please."

    Stop modifying Romney's theology, please. He tells us he believes Jesus Christ, born in the meridian of time, is the Son of God and Savior of mankind. All else is unimportant fluff.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 2, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    Why not start asking the question about why Mormon Republicans and Mormon Independents don't like him?

    Because we don't like his policies.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 2, 2011 9:02 p.m.

    Couple of additional thoughts:

    1. Statistically, the Mormon vote simply won't matter in this election.

    2. This is shaping up like 2004, where the Democrats simply couldn't believe that they couldn't beat a weak incumbent, then had to reinvent themselves. 2012 is the GOP's moment.

    3. Those of us Mormon independents who would rather have four more years of Obama than one year of Romney, simply can't believe the (maybe) good fortune that maybe Newt will blow up the GOP with a nomination!

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    Dec. 2, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    WildcatYou said the auto companies paid back their bailout money. Question, were did the money they used to pay that money back come from?
    yet another government loan. So they simply took out a loan from the government to pay back a loan. What will they do when the time comes to pay that loan back? Take out yet another government loan. the money never really gets paid back.
    As for businesses do I understand correctly that you see no problem with double taxation? If that is the case how about we take away your deduction for your state income tax. After all it is the same principle you have already paid the tax on it but lets tax you again.
    Also your idea of not letting any business into the American market that does not bring their money back to the us, how many companies do you think would do business in America? About 10%. Do you really want to see the US drop to third world status fast? You seem to forget that companies have branches all over the world. Big difference between them making money over seas and you sending it over seas.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Dec. 3, 2011 5:54 a.m.

    Time Magazine is part of the liberal left's machine. Time photoshop photos and contrive provocative and pejorative titles which tend to be negative on republicans all the while ignoring democrat problems and glamorizing Obama, Hilary, and all the others.

    "Why Don't Voters Like Me?" C'mon. VOTERS have liked Mitt plenty in Massachussetts...they elected him Governor. Mitt hasn't been placed to an official vote since then. And he's got a solid basis of support among Repulbicans and Independents.

    And he CAN beat Barack Obama. Which is why the left-wing media machine is in overdrive.

    "When did you stop beating your wife?" Same approach. Get it?

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Dec. 3, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    Alfred, I didn't mean to sound do strident. Hope you're not always so mean-spirited. Don't know where the 2-faced part came in, so I'll try to be clear and see if the censors back off.

    Clearly religion alone is not the sole issue, or I wouldn't back Mitt or John, which I stated I would. What I meant about religion being the deal-breaker, is the history of Mormon doctrinal reversals on socially controversial issues (1890, 1978, 1991). This makes many voters nervous about whether Mitt would do a 180 on a particular issue or policy, should the factors mitigate or SLC leaders insist.

    For me, I am happy that thoughtful persons can re-evaluate issues and change positions based on conscience. Every article written on Mitt's record questions his motives. I am 7th generation LDS, fully committed for the first 35 years of my life, so I know the incumbancy on following the prophet. I believe that Mitt is a man of integrity and would also be obedient to his prophet. I have been a committed Biblical Christian for the past 25 years, so now I understand their concern of "what if" Mitt reversals.

    Capish?

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Dec. 3, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Romney is potentially an outstanding candidate, but he is frustrating me this time around the way he did last time. He comes off as an opportunist. He needs to show more political courage and fire in the belly.

    Everyone was wringing their hands when Newt violated the base's orthodoxy and announced there should be a path to legal status for some illegals. Mitt jumped on the bandwagon to condemn the position. Instead of plummeting Newt has surged. Voters are attracted to boldness. They love the Chris Christie type of fearlessness. Whether they agree with Newts position on immigration or not (I do), they like a candidate who is not afraid to say it like it is and take the heat.

    I tend to think Mitt would be the best general election candidate but part of me wonders if he would be another Meg Whitman.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Dec. 3, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Romney:

    - Valedictorian at BYU

    - Baker's scholar at Harvard (go look it up)

    - Master's degrees in business AND law

    - enormously successful in private business, now worth between $200-$300 million (compare this to many of Obama's closest advisers who never had to turn a profit or go hungry)

    - previous executive leadership experience as a state governor, including Massachusetts' Commander In Chief of state military forces

    - put aside partisanship prejudices/trash-talk by successfully campaigning/winning the governor's seat as a Republican in a heavily Democrat-controlled state LONG before Scott Brown

    - turned a loss into one of the few profit-earning Olympics (Salt Lake) in 2002

    - turned Massachusetts' budget from red to black while governor

    - volunteer service to community as a church leader for well over 5 years (Bishop and Stake President)

    - would give ALL his Presidential salary ($1.6 million total) back to the American taxpayers if elected (yes, he's on record as committing to this)

    - looks, talks and acts "Presidential"

    - understands committment (never divorced)

    - understands morality (never had an affair)

    - understands family (5 kids)

    - willing to let all of America see his birth/school records without a fight

    Nope, nothing there that America needs at all.....

    Romney 2012

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 3, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    "Massachusetts' Commander In Chief of state military forces".... I love this one. Kind of like Palin being command and chief of Alaska's military forces. Brain - how many men did Mit have to send into combat? How many wars did he have to manage?

    "- turned Massachusetts' budget from red to black while governor" .. and exactly how did he do that? By himself? By taking pledges to vote against the other party at all cost? Don't think so.

    "- turned Massachusetts' budget from red to black while governor" Are you kidding me? Well then, why doesn't he proactively do this? Why not release his grades from Stanford? Or even high school.

    All you have done is highlight that the President and Mitt really aren't that much different.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Time and other media publications that seem to make the most noise in this country are anti-any Republican or conservative....they know Mitt is the one they have to discredit for another Obama (finish destroying America) victory.

    Therefore, people who only listen to the noise and the sound-bites are told they don't like Mitt, or shouldn't like Mitt, and consequently, they say they don't, like sheep who are too busy eating and socializing to really care...

    Mitt is the only one I see who can save, turn around this country, and we must support him all we can, if we care at all for our nation, liberty, freedoms.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 4, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    DRay - you are just silly. Look at the first of any group getting into office and you will see like coverage. When Kennedy ran for office, there were all kids of questions about can a Catholic be President. You have seen it with women being the first in any of their offices as well.

    As an LDS, I think we need to stop looking for reasons to feel self persecuted. How many times has old Al Gore, failed twice to become President graced covers of magazines talking about his failure to reach the ultimate office. Quit believing the constant cry baby howlings of the radio heads that some how Republicans are persecuted. They aren't. They reach the highest office just as often as do the others in the other party.

    It is only that we stand up and take notice when people like us have the light of the media shown on them. We don't remember all the times when other groups have same treatment. It is human nature.

    But don't start creating your own reality just to match what you think others must be thinking.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Dec. 5, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    I do not like Mitt Romney because of his religion.

    Will you post that much?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 6, 2011 6:51 a.m.

    Vanka - what a silly reason to like or dislike someone. But at least you are consistent in your thought processes. Why be object when you have everything already figured out.