The boys who have obtained the Eagle Rank are truly Eagle Scouts if they live up
to the Eagle Oath, and continue to help other scouts along their scouting path.
Those that fall off are Eagles in name only, and do not carry on the true
I can understand a famous person interfering with sincere conversions. But what
about humanitarian project? Maybe high profile people should be doing those
sorts of efforts if they still want to serve a mission.
I've been reading all the comments either condemning those that helpe David or
giving praise that he accomplished something that few scouts ever get done. The
question I have is why is it important as to how it was accomplished. The fact
is he had the desire and it was done.Secondly, I've seen where some
even condemn the Church because it continues to support the Boy Scouts of
America. Do you really know more than the President of the Church or even the
Quroum of the Twelve. One of the greatest supporters of scouting is Elder
Perry. There is no reason why scouting should be disbanded except for those who
feel oppressed by it.One thing that has been stated throughout by
some is that if a scout has not reached Eagle by 16 years of age, they probably
will not. We should be happy that David has achieved his Eagle. Some of your
judgements are just wrong. You want to follow the law. Sounds just like the
pharisees when Christ walked the earth. They were so hung up on the law, they
forgot to listen to the spirit.
Actually the Osmonds DID serve missions. All but Donny that is. Donny touched
MILLIONS, and by example, taught the gospel, had he served a 'formal' mission he
would have touched 100's. The same may be for David. An impressive young man. I
kind of cringed when he got special treatment but from reading positive comments
I've changed my mind. It's all good
I, too, had three merit badges to go three weeks before my 18th birthday. But I
decided then and there that I wanted to finish the dang thing, and for over 20
years now I've been very happy with the decision to complete my Eagle Scout
Like so many, I congratulate David on his musical accomplishments. Clearly this
is his passion and his love. However I don't agree that his Scouting
achievements are as noteworthy, and like others am dissapointed tha the news
highlighted these achievements. I wish they would spend equal time recognizing
the many Y.M. who aren't noteworthy stars, and don't have the Fire department
drop everything because their Scout leader called for them, or better yet, when
they call. In our community the Parks and Rec won't even talk to anyone other
than the scout regarding an Eagle project. I'm glad that David recieved his
Eagle award, and know it will be a blessing. Like others, I don't think he
should be the poster child for Eagle Accomplishments.
It is up to his bishop to give the okay for him to go to the temple for his own
endowments, even if he is not going on a mission. I have yet to hear if David
is going on a mission. I would imagine that he will not, because it would make
it really hard on the mission he would be in. Girls around him continually and
joining the church just to say that they were baptized by David Archuleta. I
know that the Osmond's did not serve missions either, but all went through the
temple too. I wish him luck in whatever he does. He is a great example with
what he is doing. That is his mission at this point in his life. He is doing
great things and showing teenagers that you can do good and still have a great
Rare is the Scout who earns Eagle without parental support. This mantra is
repeated in our troop at every Court of Honor where an Eagle is recognized.
There is no award or advancement possible without adult involvement.My issue is with the extreme level of adult involvement, the
tripping-over-themselves behavior on the part of the Murray FD and Parks/Rec
folks, and the implied pre-packaged nature of the Project. Mr. Madsen made the
calls and the arrangements. This is not how it should be. Eagle advisors
advise, not make the phone calls.The typical Eagle Project takes 3-6
months from concept to completion. Google "Squidoo Eagle Scout
Leadership" and check out the results. You'll see some examples of why.
David's project should not have been a 3-day project.@SoCal, your
personal attack is noted. Mr. Madsen may have taken the extra step, but that
step went too far in this Scouter's opinion. Mr. Archuleta was given his Eagle,
and an Eagle Scout he will be. That's something 96% of Scouts never experience.
From the way this story was written, much was left to be desired and the
boy-ownership was left very far behind.
@So. Cal Reader, you describe the Cub Scout Program very well. That's the
program where you take 'effort' into consideration when boys are working on
badges. Boy Scouting is supposed to be different. I, too, have been in the
scouting organization for many years (30+ years) and know there is a way to make
the program fun. However, there's a reason they call them
"requirements." If a boy fulfills them, the badge (Merit Badge or Rank
Advancement) means more to them! And while you pass along your kudos for
"NOT letting one of his boys fall through the cracks", I ask why that
matters. Sure, this "boy" in question is under personal circumstances
that others will never expeience. That's great. Let him make his mark in music.
He can be a great ambassador for himself, his family, and even his church. But
'receiving' an Eagle like this does not mean he's a quality ambassador of BSA.
The mentality of the little league coach, who has to give every boy a trophey,
doesn't reward actual behavior and, in reality, cheapens the importance of the
award for others.
@Axe-Man, your critisim of @DC Reader is illustrative of the issue you bring up.
You, as someone who received his Eagle 'just before turning 18' would never find
fault in someone else who did the same. And your argument of getting awards as a
young teen is weak, at best. I would much prefer someone who is active, getting
an Eagle at 13 or 14 or 15 and then 'giving back' to someone who obviously isn't
active in Scouting, isn't carrying a 'leadership position', and isn't fulfilling
what the requires state. But, then again, that's become the norm, especially in
the LDS Scouting Community. We continue to cheapen the institution of scouting
because we, as adults, feel it's mandatory for kids to get their Eagles... no
matter the corners we have to cut, strings we have to pull, and boys we have to
prod. I have pushed for years to get the church out of scouting. The Duty To God
program is wonderful and can stand on its own as a YM Program. Then, if kids
WANT to be part of scouting they can join a voluntary troop instead of a troop
that registeres every young man.
For the negative comments about David receiving "special treatment"
not afforded other scouters, you're likely the same who, if you've ever worked
in the scouting program, didn't know how to make scouting fun for the kids &
how to be a true leader and friend. I've had many years of scouting leadership
at the district level and have been a merit badge counselor for even longer. My
approach to a 17 year-old scout trying to obtain certain merit badges, as long
as I see effort and "due dilligence", I'm not going to hold up a kid
because he may not have every "nook & cranny" marked off. That's
when I apply the spirit vs. the letter of the law. I've had personal experience
with other scouting leaders, both in and out of the church, who share the
sentiment shared by the negative comments. I applaud Cal Madsen for his
extraordinary efforts. Kudos to him for NOT letting one of "his boys"
fall through the crack, a boy who was under personal circumstances that 99.999%
of anyone else his age would never experience.
DC Reader: "Good on David for recognizing the importance of earning the
Eagle. Good on him for getting it. I'm more impressed with the autistic Eagle
who earned the 132 MBs. That young man EARNED his Eagle." I'm Also VERY
impressed with that. it is an absolutely incredible achievement! BUT; I'm
pretty sure he didn't do them with no help from a concerned and loving parent
and scout leader.
@AxeMan... You're right, we don't have the full story. However, based on the
few paragraphs written, it is fairly well implied that this all took place in
less than a week before David's 18th birthday. Excuse my cynicism, but after
watching and working with over 30 Eagle Scouts during the last five years, I
have a pretty good idea of what's involved with planning, developing, and giving
leadership on the Project.Perhaps I'm jaded by the fact that my
Eagles are from a non-LDS troop, but an Eagle is an Eagle, and they should all
meet a certain standard. A concept-to-completion 3-day project just doesn't
quite fit my mold, especially knowing what the requirements are and what's
involved. This project smells too much of adult intervention and favoritism,
and no amount of rah-rah is going to change that. This was not a boy-planned,
boy-run, boy-led project. The article pretty well outlines it. Good on David for recognizing the importance of earning the Eagle. Good on
him for getting it. I'm more impressed with the autistic Eagle who earned the
132 MBs. That young man EARNED his Eagle.
Yeah, I have to agree with carpoolmom about treating everyone the same. We had
a young man in our ward that was so close. The man who was to approve the award
took issue with the fact that the scout had already started the eagle project
before he had consulted the leader in question. The result? You can guess, the
kid didn't get his eagle. Yes, I would hope that kids would forge on when
something like this happens, but more often than not the scout would allow
discouragement to take over.
I personally think that contestants on these shows need to be 18 and done with
high school. Because of doing it early kids miss out on doing things in the
typical way. Like scouting. He still has an amazing voice, his talent would have
kept. As a kid's librarian out of state I can't tell you how many
mom's are intricately involved involved in the badge process. Though with the
Eagle only had the scouts call the library asking to use the location as a book
drop off for donations to children's hospital or some such project. Not mom.I'm not LDS but even I know going through the Temple is different than
doing baptisms which start around 12? He was eligible for those long before
Idol. I'm glad he's getting to do so many experiences even with the added
responsibility of shows and such. Also if he just called the fire station
himself would they have thought it was a prank? He's probably making people more
comfortable with your church than the two people randomly knocking on a door
with his music and example. Some want the door, some need the example of a
Congratulations to David and to those who worked with him.My only
concern is, as some have already mentioned, that if you are a celebrity, some
young men may feel that is what it takes, rather than personal inititative and
hard work.I didn't get beyond Life Scout and no one pushed me to do
so, on the other hand my son's wife has made sure that each of the boys worked
and got their Eagle. Time was spent with them on Scouting activities since they
were Cubs.It has been shown that on the average, those who earn
their Eagle Scout rank do better in college, business and involvement in their
community. If that is so, we are helping to train our future leaders. I hope
each of us will encourage and support worthy programs, such as Scouting and
appropriate participation. I think a better future will be the reward.Maybe each of us could learn the Scout Oath, Motto and Law and see if there
are ways we can put these and other good ideals into everyday practice by each
of us and be good examples to them.
David is so humble that any "special treatment" he receives is not
because he necessarily seeks it. Brother Madsen's word choice may have been
awkward, but we are in no position to judge when we go solely by what the media
puts out there. We don't know all the circumstances. As for the temple, that
is between David, his bishop, and the Lord. I support David as long as he keeps
his standards high and sings beautiful, uplifting music!
David is almost 21. A mission would be very difficult right now since he has
worldwide recognition. He really is serving as a missionary in everything he
does. Whether he manages a full-time mission or not will remain to be seen. Cal Madsen is a wonderful man, as are all the leaders that David worked
with. My son had his Eagle Board of Review with the same men on the same day as
David. I don't know of any of the scouts who worked with him over the years who
resents David's special treatment in getting some things pushed through. I know
many boys who rush to get their Eagles before their 18th birthdays that aren't
nearly as busy as David. I personally had some scout leaders push through my
son's papers quickly so he could have his Court of Honor while his dad was in
town.As far as the Eagle project, I know my son's leader approached
him about a service that needed to be done, and he took it from there. While he
may have gotten help with the timing of his last merit badge and project, he had
to earn ALL the others, too.
Yep, the popular and famous always get VIP treatment from the average person.
It is when the most humble and unknown people get VIP treatment that deserves
special recognition. Desnews, find me a story about that and I'll consider it a
story worth reading.
I so admire David and admire that he is willing to share his life, knowing that
some people will judge him and decide what is best for him. So lets weigh a
couple of things here.1. David gets special treatment to get his
eagle scout.Negative-This is playing favorites. Positive-Young boys will follow Davids example and more will pursue this.Reality - David is busy busy busy and hardly home to get this done, but he did
it. 2. David takes out his endowments, it says "Archuleta, a
member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, recently went through
the Jordan River Utah Temple." Going through is more then baptisms. Negative-I can't think of any.Positive-This young man has a very
good and tender spirit and going to the temple will be a strength for him.Reality - It is right for him.3. David and a mission.Negative - People judging him for not going on a "formal" mission.
Positive - This kid is on a mission, I just read that he was open to
serving a mission if the cards were right.Reality - He brings a positive
image to the LDS church constantly.
David should serve a mission. The Lord will bless him and his career if he does.
DC Reader,I don't know how much you and your community could help boy
scouts, but my friend's son was pursuing his Eagle before he went abroad, and
people around him helped him. His parents were not even involved in boyscout,
but he worked on an environmental project with help of leaders. He was not a
celebrity, but the community helped him. What's important is his willingness to
finish the project and took values of the Eagle to his heart and everyone in the
community willingly supported him. Same is true for David Archuleta. The more
important thing you should focus is not his fame, but his heart and efforts to
signify the value of the Eagle Scout.BTW, celebrities with fame and
everything don't pay attention to the importance of boy scout. Why should they?
It's not Grammy or American Music Award, nothing important to their status or
career. But to him, it is a different story and that's why this young man always
gets my attention. I also saw pictures of his trip to India where he washed
lepers' feet and helped the needy. Just amazing.
DC Reader,I too am a Scout leader, and father of several girls. I
got my Eagle one week before my 18th. You mention your son was "barely
13" when he started planning his project. I have a problem with Scouts
"earning" their Personal Management before 14-15 because there's no
realistic "management" taking place. "Allowance: Mom & Dad
gave me $20. Spending: buy video game." etc. There's no requirement
accommodating my preference - if they do the work required, they get the badge.
It's not my place to judge your son's earning his Eagle "too young,"
because there are authorities in place to assess each Scout's work. David's
Scout leaders at the local, district, and council level seem satisfied with the
work done and how it was done. Why do you find fault based on a few paragraphs?
Except for the city and fire department quickly giving results, I see no broken
rules here. Most Scouts need help from parents/leaders finding a project. What
part of someone else helping find contacts or a project doesn't fall under
"plan, develop, and give leadership"? It doesn't say "find a
project without any assistance."
I did have a scout that was trying to get it done and was treated pretty rude by
everyone I contacted or my son contacted. I was told in every instance that my
son would have to make the call.Yes I would probably try to pull some strings as
well. You missed my point. I'm not faulting them I'm faulting us as human beings
that we can't treat everyone with the dignity that they deserve. I just wish
people could treat others with kindness and helpfulness whether or not they were
rich, famous, poor or average.
No, it isn't "nice if the scout is able to approach the city or whomever to
make it happen". That is his responsibility and a requirement for the
Eagle Project. The requirement states "While a Life Scout, plan, develop,
and give leadership to others in a service project helpful to any religious
institution,any school, or your community."As a Scout
leader and father of an Eagle Scout, I am dismayed with what has occured here.
I see a lot of excuses made and exceptions given. Yes, leaders and parents open
doors. I did the same for my son, though he was barely 13 at the time he
started planning his project, not almost 18. However, his project wasn't handed
to him with a plan, materials, and direction all put together. What leadership
was demonstrated here? It sounds like "Hi, I'm David Archuleta. Would you
like to help me plant some trees?"I hope the Murray Fire
Department and the Murray Parks/Rec Department are now prepared to fast-track
every Boy Scout looking to pass off requirements. I'd hate to think they did
this "because it was David Archuleta". That would certainly reflect
poorly on the community.
I think it's great that he got his Eagle Scout award. It really bothers me
though that it wasn't him who was putting forth the effort of contacting the
Fire Dept. or the city to finish up his merit badges or set up his project.It bothers me even more that they made exceptions to help him succeed just
because his "name is David Archuleta." If any other boy (or their mom
or neighbor, like David) was to call in 3 days before their birthday to
hopefully get their Eagle award, there is no way they would be shown such
generosity. Why does he deserve the right to procrastinate and then receive
preferential treatment just because he was on American Idol?
HappyDayz @ 10:19 ---If Governor Herbert (for example) calls a
restaurant and needs a table for 10 (in 30 minutes!) do you think they wouldn't
pull EVERY string in the book to accommodate him?? etc. etc. (endless
examples)Famous, rich, powerful people, VIPs and celebrities get
"special treatment" every hour of every day. That's just reality.
And that's OK.I'm SO proud of David Archuleta getting his Eagle
Award. I think that's totally awesome!! I'm GLAD that a few people stepped up
and helped him (made phone calls, pulled strings, pushed, pleaded and begged him
to finish). David obviously had the desire and determination to
finish his Eagle, and I'm confident HE did all the work required of him. It's
OK that others helped guide, mentor and motivate him to get there!
The response after mentioning David's name is more a problem of the person
responding than of David or his Scout leader. Those people should examine
themselves and their priorities. Perhaps they would consider any request to
assist a Scout with as much import as helping a celebrity. I have
seen many Scouts helped along this same path with leaders and parents opening
doors and doing things to help, responding to individual need and level of
self-motivation. Some scouts are better organizers than others and the help
should be and is usually tailored accordingly by parents and leaders, both of
whom have better judgement of priorities than most teens. I'm glad they helped
David see that there was something more important to them than his singing
success. He will understand more as time passes. Give him a break--he's still
young. He just might see the mission vision before it's too late.As
for the temple, you can go to the temple without going on a mission or being
married. It is a personal thing between you and your Bishop but should be based
on counsel of our Authorities as stated in the church handbook. I am confident
that his going to the temple was based on sound principles.
I'm glad David pursued his Eagle even if there were a few exceptions made. I
think he's doing his best under his particular circumstances and the rest of us
can get off of our judgmental "I know best" high horses.As
far as the temple, that is completely up to his ecclesiastical leaders to decide
if the time is right for him to receive his endowments. Yes, there are
guidelines in the church handbooks, but church leaders are allowed to use their
own inspiration under the direction of those who lead them. Why do we, as
members of the church, think we need to second-guess everything for everybody
else? We don't. Just live and let live, and believe that people are doing their
best for themselves and for others. We don't have to be in charge of the lives
@K - You will note that this happened in Dec. 2010 not 2011. David has just
turned 19, I believe, and very well may be preparing to go on a mission. The
timing of the recommend to receive our endowments rests between the prespective
recommend holder and his stake president, but is suggested prior to going on a
mission or getting married.@carpoolmom - hey, if I had a scout
trying to hurry and get his Eagle done before he turned 18, and he just happened
to be famous... I use his popularity to get it done, if that's what it took. We
have had scout leaders do the same kind-of thing for some of our scouts who were
in a time crunch. The main thing I think is that the scout organized everyone
to help and get the project done, although it is nice if the scout is able to
approach the city or whomever to make it happen.I'm so glad he has
done it and will be an example to others who may be busy with school and sports
and haven't quite taken the time to finish! Congrats David!
I'd suggest that any young man who is in a hurry to earn his Fire Safety badge
contact the Murray Fire Department and request the same treatment they gave to
I believe David is a great kid! I am sure he worked really hard, but I also
believe he shouldn't have received the special treatment. " I
had no sooner mentioned his name when she said, 'Let me call you back,' Madsen
said. People were wonderful. All I had to do was mention his name and they were
ready to bend over backward." If it had been any other kid,
would they have received the same?
@LeAnn in Saint George, UT and @K in Mchenry, IL - he must have gone to the
temple to perform baptisms for the dead and not to receive his own endowment:Single members in their late teens or early twenties who have not received a
mission call or who are not engaged to be married in the temple should not be
recommended to the temple for their own endowment. They can, however, receive a
Limited-Use Recommend to perform baptisms for the dead. The desire to witness
temple marriages of siblings or friends is not sufficient reason for a young
adult to be endowed (Nov. 12, 2002; see also First Presidency letter, June 21,
2005).(Quoted in Young Adults and the Temple, Elder Nelson, Church
Educational System satellite broadcast address given on May 4, 2003, in Salt
Lake City, Utah.)
I agree with WJMom. I got taken to task for calling for my son to see about
doing a project. I agree with the other posts how wonderful it is that he got
his eagle and seems to be an exceptional kid and still humble and nice so it's
not to take away from him. I just feel all kids should be treated the same. Also
it was awesome that they allowed him to get his project done on time but
disappointing that people only help celebrities. Again shouldn't all of our kids
have the same respect given to them. Sad that his name had to be mentioned to
get things moving.
@K in Mchenry, IL - going through the temple does happen before you get married
or go on a mission. But a person goes through for the purpose of getting the
endowment. I know young women who have gone through and never gone on a mission
and still are not married, but they go to the temple to do the work regardless.
I didn't go through till I was in my late 40's. In other words you must go
through before you go on a mission or have a temple marriage, but you don't have
to be going on a mission or getting married to go through the temple and partake
of those sacred ordinances. Hope that answers your question.
It is wonderful to find someone so talented and seen on a worldwide scale, stick
to the high standards and morals of the church. I am very happy that he has
stayed active and continues to share his talents with others.
@ KYouth in the LDS Church can obtain a "limited use"
temple recommend which allows them to be baptized on behalf of deceased
individuals who did not have the opportunity to hear about the need for baptism
while on this earth and may desire it now. The youth must be at least 12 years
old and deemed worthy by their ecclesiastical leader.
I'm so glad that David is setting an example for the youth that to be cool you
don't have to be bad, as a matter of fact that wears out quickly and you burn
through a lot of relationship and get nothing accomplished. Being true to your
self also doesn't mean rebelling, it means finding that inner voice that speaks
to you and if you are really honest it is probably going to be something that
resembles music. Beautiful Music! Thanks David for standing tall!
I thought marriage or mission is when you start going to temple?
David has maintained himself so well with all his fame. I am very pleased with
how grounded he is. I'm so happy he received his Eagle Scout award. It cracks
me up that his name burst through so many bureaucratic processes in getting
support for his merit badges and his Eagle project. We have had met much red
tape for our boys getting their paperwork and projects done. It isn't easy.Good job, David!
Our family has been friends with the Madsens (his scout master) for years. Cal
and Sherry are wonderful people and have influenced many not so famous young men
with their service.
That's great that David Archuleta earned his eagle ... but was it him that
earned it? Part of the requirements are for the scout to take the initiative
and set up the Eagle project, and to do the contacting for the different merit
badges yet in his case this was all done by his Scout leader (at least according
to the article). This may seem minor to many people, and many will say that he
is so busy he needed the exception, but the honor of the Eagle award shouldn't
change because of celebrity status.
Does anyone know whether he is planning on serving a full-time mission for the
Church? I have long wondered what it would be like to have 'Elder Archuleta' in
I am simply amazed by this young man! There are many things I regret from my
youth, but not obtaining my Eagle Award is easily one of them. If you were a
scouter yourself or know of one, you know how difficult this award is. Well
done, David Archuleta! I'm even more of a fan of yours than I was before!
One more reason to like you, David. I'm my son's Wolf Cub Scout den leader here
(2nd year for us in Scouts). He says he wants his Eagle someday. I will tell
him about how you got yours despite your career, education, etc. Love your
music, especially the Christmas music. Good stuff! Keep it up.
David is such a kind, sweet young man. I am so glad he lives the gospel and is
such an inspiration to so many young people. Many more young men will go on to
earn their Eagle Scout Awards because of David. Even us older people admire him
and love to listen to his music.
This story brings much needed light to an important issue: too often, our
society settles for mediocrity, when greatness is possible.We were
not placed on this Earth merely to get by with the least amount of effort
possible. Indeed those who put forth little effort inevitably acheive little.
The Creator expects much more of his children than this. We serve Him by always
giving our greatest effort to acheive greatness.We must, however,
not lose sight of what greatness really is. Greatness cannot be obtained by
cheating or disregarding one's values. Greatness can only be obtained through
integrity, sacrifice, and moral ecellence.
This story brings much needed light to an impotant issue: too often, our society
settles for mediocrity, when greatness is possible.We were not
placed on this Earth merely to get by with the least amount of effort possible.
Indeed those who put forth little effort inevitably acheive little. The Creator
expects much more of his children than this. We serve Him by always giving our
greatest effort to acheive greatness.We must, however, not lose
sight of what greatness really is. Greatness cannot be obtained by cheating or
disregarding one's values. Greatness can only be obtained through integrity,
sacrifice, and moral ecellence.
Great article. :)
I met David art the Ogden Temple a couple years ago when he arrived to do some
baptisms. What fine humble young man. I wish him well.
Loved the article about David Archuleta! He is such a beautiful person inside
This really is a terrific young lad. I've been thrilled with his music and the
example for the young folks.