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Published: Friday, Nov. 25 2011 5:00 a.m. MST

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The Atheist
Provo, UT

It strikes me as disingenuous and hypocritical to call all other Christian religions "an abomination" and accuse them all of falling into "apostasy" (The Great Apostasy), and then turn around and plagiarize their traditions and rites.

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

If you are a true atheist, then you must think all of it is hogwash anyway and what difference does it make to you.

Brother Paul
Livermore, CA

To Atheist:

Your use of th word "plagarize" is questionable since Brother Huntsman gave
references to his statements concerning "The Advent". All Christians, including the LDS, SHARE many many common areas of Belief. Why not add more common belief/concepts to that rich tapestry of Common Belief?

Sure Joseph Smith said that Jesus said that there was "abomination"
in the churches of the early 1800's, it doesn't mean that ALL the beliefs
were bad or distorted. Joseph Smith did say numerous times that there WAS MUCH
TRUTH in the existing churces of the early 1800's. He also said there were errors. Basically he said that the Lord Jesus wanted to bring Fullness
of the Gospel back to the Earth.

Atheist, I think you're pushing your thoughts to extreme ends. Not all
atheists see the world the same way and have differing viewpoints. My
Dad was an atheist, but I still loved him. Let's seek for Common Ground
and appreciate our differences too.

In addition to being a Professor at BYU, Brother Eric Huntsman also is a
member of the Tabernacle Choir.

Thank You Brother Huntsman for your fine news article and I'm planning to
purchase your new book.

Lord Bless.

The Atheist
Provo, UT

Brother Paul,

What "common ground"? Your religion claims to have a monopoly on authority, virtue and morality. Your religion aspires to achieve a one-world governmental theocracy requiring atheists like me to bow the knee and confess with the tongue that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one), or else be destroyed horribly. Your religion has no tolerance for other views, calling the beliefs of others "abominations" and the professors of all other religions "all corrupt", and they all "apostatized" from the truth.

Yet you steal forms of worship and celebration from these "corrupt" churches. You incorporate hymns from these "apostate" churches into your own hymnbooks as it is convenient for you. You call them "all wrong", and accuse 2,000 years of Christianity of being apostate, corrupt, and "denying the power of god", then spend millions on public relations campaigns and presidential campaigns to try and convince everyone that you are really a "Christian" religion.

As an atheist, why do I care? Because we non-believers are tired of being caught up in the messes you religionists create, and then being accused of having no morality.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

Having seen the transformation of the mormon church from when I lived in SLC in the early 80's until today, I don't really see it as "stealing" a tradition. The mormon church seems to be moving away from its early teachings and history and becoming a more mainstream group. I see adopting other practices as part of this move. In some ways, I think it is necessary for its survival as so many have found the historical basis implausible, thus it has become necessary to change and focus instead on the current values the church espouses. I think its good for the members because moderating the beliefs creates a more tolerant group dynamic.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To Thinksithink: I think you are really misreading and understanding of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the so called movement. From the beginning there has always been common ground. The problem with so many especially like the atheist is that we are not saying that every knee shall bow andevery tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ, but Christ himself. Whether he believes it or not really is not the point. The LDS Church still holds to the fact that we are the only true and living Church of Jesus Christ upon the Earth. This has not changed nor will it change. As President Hinkley stated and also Joseph Smith, there is much truth in the other Christian sects but as he so quickly stated, bring your truth and we shall add to it.

Also, as all leaders of the Church have stated, we are a preculiar people and we will remain so. Our morality is the same as the morality that Jesus Christ has pledged. Again the time will come when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ, the redeemer of the world.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

Bill in Nebraska,

Respectfully, I don't agree that the LDS Church holds that it is the only true and Living Church of Jesus Christ. One, as you point out, the LDS Church acknowledges that there are truths in other churches. Two, the LDS Church of today has rejected many past teachings - things that at one time were considered true and now we are told those things were never true but were just a man's personal opinion. (I'm not talking about polygamy which is still "true" but not practiced). So, regardless of any claims made today, the actions show realization that no church has the corner on truth.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To Thinksithink: What teachings at the time were considered true but now are not. If you are talking about the priesthood. It has always been understood that they would one day hold the priesthood. That has never changed. If you are talking about that man shall become an exalted being but may not have his/her own planet. That never was taught but what is taught is that yes we shall become exalted just as the Father and the Son. We will become even as they are. So what is taught that is different from this. You will find very few of anything that is different from the beginning. Even the Word of Wisdom has become a living prophesy of the Prophet Joseph Smith. So it stands as it should. You will find that even Elder McConkie stated that the Church would never have allowed blacks the priesthood but he later was to say especially as he was a member of the Seventy when the revelation came. He stated matter of factually that he and Brigham Young were wrong. Not an opinion at all.

SLMG
Murtoa Australia, Victoria

REf: The Atheist

As an atheist, why do I care? Because we non-believers are tired of being caught up in the messes you religionists create, and then being accused of having no morality.

Everyone makes their own decisions and what they will be "caught up in" If you don't want to be "caught up in the messes you religionists create" then don't. You are free to believe or not believe as you see fit just as we do that believe in Jesus Christ. Why are you concerned about being "destroyed horribly" if you are a true non believer.

I have never understood why people that claim to be athiest get in such a twist over other peoples beliefs. Live and let live and believe what you will.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

Bill in Nebraska,

My point exactly. We don't know what things are being taught today that later will be deemed wrong. For example, I expect at some point the church will abandon the Book of Abraham and likely treat all scripture as spiritual truth but not an account of historical facts. It eventually has to happen with advances in science, DNA, archeology, etc. Again, I think its good and I believe the changes to date have been to everyone's benefit. It makes it much easier for some to continue as members.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

That I totally disagree with because the Book of Abraham is not in whole or in part of what was translated. This is the problem with the critics. We know that what has been recovered is not all of the papryi that Joseph Smith had. In fact, in many instances what we have is only partial. FAIR has done an excellent job of explaining this and considering the fact the Sunday School ciriculium stills considers it.

Secondly, scripture will remain as scripture. This is a falicy of those members on the fence. Scripture will remain as it is. First, of if you read the Book of Mormon you will find that it says nothing of being a Jew but that the Nephites and Lamanites are of the house of Israel. This means that the House of Joseph as stated as a tribe of Israel as Jacob's sons were called are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. Only the House of Judah and one half of the House of Benjamin are those who make up the Jews. Joseph's lineage no one knows. Thus to be of the house of Ephrain is not to be of the House of Judah.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

Bill in Nebraska,

But the drawing that is printed in the Book of Abraham is in the Papyri that was discovered. The Book of Abraham's description of the characters in the drawing printed in the Book of Abraham is completely unrelated to what expert's unanimously say the characters in the drawing are. Thus, it appears its not so much historical fact as some revealed spiritual truth. I didn't come up with this on my own. I think some mormon writers have suggested as much.

JRJ
Pocatello, ID

Poor, poor athesist or is it happy, happy athesist? You got yourself a lot of attention this time around. Most of what you blathered on about is complete nonsense which I wouldn't attempt to correct because you believe what you want. Suffice it to say that the Lord has told us that all good comes from Him no matter who has it. And He will never force you to bow the knee and confess anything. If that happens it will be because you, and only you, desire it.

As for the advent: what a lovely tradition. It does give families of all beliefs an opportunity to gather together and talk about the things that are important.

Brother Paul
Livermore, CA

Concerning previous comments:

There's a line from the Forrest Gump movie that goes, "I think Lieutenant Dan
made his peace with God". It's towards the end of the movie.

I hope that "Atheist" makes his peace with God someday. I can tell from the wording and phraseology that there's much dis-comfort (almost anger) now.

It's good to know that one is at peace with God. The LDS Church itself is interpreted differently by many of its own members. Joseph Smith DID say that
that there was much truth in the many different branches of Christian Belief.
That's in the historical record.

Lord Bless you and Hope that you have a Good Holiday Season!!

The Atheist
Provo, UT

Brother Paul,

God knows where to find me. If he wants to "make peace", he knows where I live.

I can't say the same in reverse. Neither can you. "Where is the pavilion that covereth [God's] hiding place?"

Until God, or Big Foot, or Santa, or any of the others show up to "make peace", I am at peace with myself, my loved ones, and my country.

What else matters?

mightymite
DRAPER, UT

Only Christians celebrate Advent, mormons have no concept of this in there new age religion. This article is funny trying to draw any parallel between Christianity and the mormondon in slc.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

You will find a lot of things said about the Book of Abraham. I suggest going to FAIR and read what actually is said. Although the following author is not officially sanctioned by the Church, I'm sure you will find it interesting as to why FAIR has answered the question pertaining to the Book of Abaham. Michael Ash, Of Faith and Reason. Read it especially pertaining to the evidences supporting the Book of Abraham. It is quite enlightening. You once said that FAIR is a dis-service to the Church but there are many who feel they are doing a great service for the Church. Though I don't totally agree with some aspects of what FAIR says it does give room and thought to what is the truth and what the critics say is their truth. The explanations they give make better sense than anything the critics can come up with. Also, if you haven't read Richard Bushman's Rough Stone Rolling you should do that also. It is more for fence sitters than those with a firm testimony of the truthfulness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Christians should recall that Holidays comes from Holy Days and that theirs are not the only observances at this time of year, including the pagan celebrations they usurped to aid in converting people to Christianity.

There is a lot more to the season than shopping and going mad for all the presents you'll be getting.

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