dnay,you are incorrect with your conclusions. Let's just use the 3
teams you have mentioned. In the past 3 years those teams have had a winning
record against the PAC12, the Big 12, the SEC, and Big 10. 3 years ago Wyoming
finished 4-8. One of their wins was on the road at Tennessee. This
year, Big 10 schools have losses to Ball St. North Texas, NM St, North Dakota
St, and Rice. Do I need to remind you of the Appalacian St. miracle in the Big
House?Te SEC has the fewest non-bcs losses, but they also never play
those non-bcs games on the road (the all have 8 home games) and the teams they
play are a joke (The Citadel, Elon, Samford, FAU, UAB, Coastal Carolina,
Furman)So please, don't tell me the PAC-12 is a weak conference.
There are some poor teams in it, there are also 3 teams in the top 10, the SEC
is the only other conference who can say that. As of today, the PAC 12 was the
3rd ranked conferenceHowever, it appears you are going to believe
what you want, despite the data.
pocyUte,Think back to Utah's record against the Pac12 over the last
several years, BYU has had a winning record against the pac12 over the last 4
years, so has Boise St. and I don't know about TCU they don't seem to play the
pac12 that much, but I don't see them losing many games to them. In the last few
years even avg.teams in the mountain west have beaten pac12 teams. That doesn't
happen with the Big12, SEC, or Big10. Maybe the big easy. Hey I would love to
have BYU in the pac12, and if they go to the big east then they'll be a lower
conference than Utah, but don't sit there and tell me that the pac12 is some
powerhouse conference. So no I don't have the blinders on you do, because it
doesn't take a good conference to beat the lower part of the mtn west. How do
you think a team from the mtnwst enters into a BCS conference and had a chance
to win the conference. Only 1 other conference that could happen in the big
east! If you had a good quarterback u could win the pac12!
dnay,classic BYU fan, making generalized statements based on
assumption, not fact. You said, "the Pac12 who consistantly gets beat by
mountain west and wac schools"Well, the PAC-12 has 7-2 record
against the 2 headed juggernaut on MWC/WAC schools this year. To me, that
hardly is "consistent." If you want to expand that, the Pac-12 is
14-4 against all non-BCS/non-independent foes.Sure there are some
bad losses in there. But I think if you took off your PAC-12 hater blinders and
looked at the actual data, you would see that the PAC-12 consistently beats the
MWC/WAC/non-BCS conference teams.
@RunninUteTypical Ute, did you even read my message? I didn't say BYU's
schedule was better, I made a point that the Ute schedule isn't really that
great either, but I didn't compare the two. If you looked at it without your
blinders on you'd agree that the Pac12 who consistantly gets beat by mountain
west and wac schools is not that great of a conference. A better conference
would have been if Utah, BYU, TCU had stayed in the mountain west and brought in
Boise, that would be a better league! As far as that game being a fluke that
stands, I watch the games and see the teams play. I'll spell this out for you
you so you can understand. The Utah game against Washington, are you telling me
that Washington is that much better then Utah because they smoked you on your
home field? Because watching the game they weren't any better, if Utah hadn't of
given them 5 turnovers it would have been a different game, same with the
Arizona State game. I think Utah is the 4th best team in the Pac12 and maybe
3rd. Think and you'll realize I'm right!
@dnay So this is what it comes to? Trying to convince everyone that the
MWC, who Y "upgraded" to a WAC schedule from is better that the PAC12.
You should be a comedian. Why would that even matter anyway as the MWC has no
relevence to you. If you think 54-10 is a fluke, what would you say to OT
victories? Or what is your response to 7 out of the last 10 and 3 of those
victories being blowouts by the utes? Don't tell me, you have a better TV deal
and for a chunk of history your team dominated the Utes. As for hypocrisy,
please take the beam out of your eye....
I find it funny that Ute fans constantly attach Cougar fans for not being
realistic, yet when it comes to your own situation your the same or worse. None
of you have the common sense to look at that game with BYU earlier and see it
for what it was a fluke. Now I'm not even saying BYU's is better, not at all but
the difference between those 2 teams are not that far apart. But with no common
sense you wouldn't see that. The bottom line is the Pac12 is w e a k plane and
simple when a pac12 power plays another good team from another conference they
loose. And yes I don't think Oregon, USC, or Stanford would beat Boise State, or
TCU so no I doubt they would win the Mountain west. So you boys can't have it
both ways you can't ride Cougar fans for being unrealistic in their expectations
and turn around and do the same thing, I think they call that being a hypocrite!
BYU fans know that there schedule isnt great but don't think yours has been that
much better. Remember Washington state got worked by San Diego St.
Just so happy I don't have to watch my team play New Mexico St, Idaho, Idaho St,
San Jose St et al. Thank God for relevance!!!!
I don't think Specials deserves an A+, probably an A or A-. They fell apart near
the end of regulation, getting a personal foul on the PAT, allowing the ensuing
kickoff to be returned past the 50 (which set up a TD on the next play), and our
returner not having the sense to pick up some additional yardage. All of those
contributed to scores that nearly cost us the game. Actually thinking about it
now, A- would be very generous.
hahahahaha its funny that byu fans still talk on the Utes and yet they lost to
them by 44 points.
The bottom half of the pac12 is no better than the bottom half of the mwc? All
I can say to that is New Mexico, UNLV, csu (lost to CU). I think these 3 teams
speak for themselves.
They say better to win ugly than lose pretty. That offense is hard to watch
sometimes, it looked to me that we could have thrown the ball a lot more
yesterday WSU was getting no pass rush at all in the 2nd half.
@Pugman"I'm glad the Utes have John White...the guy is a stud, no
question. The rest of the offense...pretty dismal."I am now
converted to the offensive front line. I even knew when they were going to run
up the middle, but the offense still opened up holes a truck could run through.
Utah does not have a passing quarterback and the defense and special teams are
more likely to score. Can you imagine what the score could be if the offense
could take advantage of all the turnovers? With all that said, the offense front
line and John White deserve a lot of credit.
"It will be fun to watch the Utes be bottom dwellers in the PAC-10.2.
Welcome to the big boys little brother.""There is no way Utah
can compete week after week in the PAC 12.""C'mon thats
going a little too far saying the Pac12 is a tough conference." "I doubt anyone in the Pac 12 could win the Mtn West this year." There is no arguing with jealous reasoning.
Offense was horrible the first half. Not until the weather got worse and we fell
behind did the team start putting together some good plays. White had An amazing
second half, but that was negated by horrible defensíve schemes the last
10 mins of regulation. The bottom half of the pac 12 is not any
better than the bottom half of the mwc, but utah has shown they can compete in
this conference and given all the serious injuries they've suffered and the lack
of returning starters, there is a lot to be excited about. The UTES will
continue to be in the top half of the conference in years to come.
Okay, let's get this straight...I luved me some Carl Monroe--but his 82
team was 5-6 and they beat the likes of Utah State and UNLV and lost to the Y
and Hawaii. The Wolfman is doing it in the big time. As of tonight, he is the
best running back the Utes have ever put on the field for a single season. This
kid ran it 40 times in the snow tonight and he'll do it again against Colorado.
(But please, no snow...).
dnay,Assuming you are a Y fan I just wanna point out the fact that they
lost to this 4-4 Pac 12 team by 44 points...BYU would have 2 or 3 wins with
Utah's schedule at best! And yes, USC, Oregon, Stanford, would all win the MWC.
Considering you play in the WAC, 12 out of the 12 PAC teams would win the WAC
I'm glad the Utes have John White...the guy is a stud, no question. The rest of
the offense...pretty dismal. White's been a godsend.
dnay, how's that WAC championship working for you?
dnay is not delusional, just blue with jealousy. Next year the Y
should try to upgrade its schedule with some Big Sky teams.White is
all machine. But the U has a track record of producing those to run the ball.
Despite stacking the box at times with 10, this guy still finds a way.Nice win.Go Utes!
dnay, you must be a delusional Y fan to say you doubt any PAC 12 team would win
the Mt. West this year. How about USC, Stanford and Oregon for starters. PAC
12 is a far better conference than the Mt. Worst though the Mt. West is better
than the Big Least.
It was Snow White as we dwarfed the other Cougars!
C'mon thats going a little too far saying the Pac12 is a tough conference.
Washington state is bad, too pull out the win good, but to go to overtime
against them doesn't deserve an A. There's 3 legit top 25 teams in the
conference but most of the teams are just lousy this year. I doubt anyone in the
Pac 12 could win the Mtn West this year.