Southern Nevada needs to live within it's means. I know this is a foreign
concept to the wheeler-dealers of Lost Wages. Besides, Nobody sees Vegas
emerging from it's economic quagmire anytime soon. Quit issuing building
permits, require existing residents to reduce all water consumption by 40%, and
declare that Southern Nevada is full.
Any environmental lawyer worth his salt could shut this thing down in a
heartbeat.An endangered endemic plant -- the Ute Ladies's Tress
Orchid (Spiranthes diluvialis) -- grows in seeps and springs on federal lands
overlying the aquifers from which Las Vegas intends to withdraw fossil water.
The plant would be wiped out by drawing down the water table and drying up those
seeps and springs.Endangered plant species, while provided less
protection under the federal Endangered Species Act than animals, are still
protected on federal lands and from federal action. A lawsuit attacking any
federal permits or any effects of the project on federal lands would, most
likely, be successful.So, it kinda makes you wonder why tree huggers
and Utah politicians claming they want to stop this project are AWOL when
Meanwhile,Governor Herbert and the State of Utah have not opposed the Vegas
pipeline. He as abandoned the battle to the LDS Church and the Great Basin
Emophiliac, Justamac guyThanks for the information. I was wrong, but
then i guess that's what these kind of comment boards are for!Now,
if you'll excuse me, I have lots or reading to do.
AT some point Las Vegas and Nevada will have to come to terms with themselves
and what they want for the future of Nevada. Sure, they can't pump every last
ounce of water they can from the aquifers but what happens when that dries up?
Will they start laying claim to mountain runoff feeding the aquifers?The day has come for Nevada to level off and try to maintain without turning
the rest of the west in to a Sahara Desert where not even plant life can grow.
Its time to get a reality bite and stop this carnage they want to impose on all
of the western states. Las Vegas and Nevada new going in to their development
that resources were limited and they should have made development more
consistent with reality. This country including Las Vegas is no longer in
economic growth and the city of gambling has reached its peak, never again to
have the glory it had. Their own economy has proven that.
Water, in this part of the world, needs to come to what oil has come to for
everyone. If you can pay, you can have it. And even if you can pay, it will get
more expensive, because more people want it. It's not the evil casino fountains
that vegas needs water for. It's the 2 million plus people. Like those of us
along the front, there are way too many people there for what water is available
locally. I'm not surprised they want more. So do we here. It's just that the
resource is limited, and this is a lesson we have to learn again and again for
many commodities. We can get enough whisky to drink, as the man said, but water
is for fightin' over.
A reasonable solution seems clear. Allow Las Vegas to build the pipeline, at
their own expense, and "borrow" the water for a reasonable trial
period (2-5 years.) If the aquifer is negatively impacted Las Vegas should
contractually agree to return the water it "borrowed" (from other
municipal sources) using its pipeline to pump water back into the aquifer,
recharge it. If there is no noticeable degradation to the aquifer allow Las
Vegas to continue to "borrow" the water conditional on reviews of the
aquifer's stability with the proviso that whenever there is degradation Las
Vagas recharges the aquifer and ceases their water plundering behavior. Of
course, Vagas may not like the odds on such a plan or gamble. ;-)
Of all the alternatives, conservation, recycling, other in-state sources, using
water from a Utah aquifer to wet Las Vegas is the least sensible. Stop debating
this issue and start working on a viable option.
I think they need to reclaim the water they use in Vegas you know recycle toilet
water for drinking what wnt down brown can be resued again to drink. The
technology is there why not use it?
As noted by justamacguy, the CUP or Central Utah Project is sucking water off
the Uintas and sending it to Salt Lake. Don't imagine that Salt Lake's
mountains supply enough water for its population. I'm a little surprised that
they haven't tried to run a pipeline from Flaming Gorge to SLC. Looks like
Colorado might beat them to it.
I'm always leery of draining our rural resources for the needs of city living.
Are we going to create an all urban society? I certainly don't want that and
want to protect the rural way of life.
People need to educate themselves on the issues. The fountains in Las Vegas are
run off of "grey" water. That is water that they have used and treated
to make it safe for certain forms of reuse. That should be considered a
testimony to recycling. Next is the fact that SLC does intact get it's water
from hundreds of miles away. Please familiarize yourselves with the
"Central Utah Project". And lastly, I don't think I want the
government dictating where I can live. That will be a choice that my job, income
and personal choice will dictate.
Before they build this pipeline, they ought to put conservation measures into
place such as retrofit plumbing so that water that has been used to wash dishes
and take baths is then used to flush toilets. If after all they can do, they
still need more, then lets talk.
EmophiliacI tried to look it up, but CUP isn't exactly a google
friendly term. Could you give me more details?
Just be careful with this issue water people. The fact is Las Vegas
"already" has overbuilt. Now they want more water for future growth
and that is absurb. Let's all work to see that these arrid areas of ridiculous
growth from the past can work out the issues they are now faced with including
Washington Co. in Utah, Phoenix, Tucson ect, alleveating todays problems and
then "put severe growth restrictions" upon every desert locale
starting NOW! You cannot continue this crazy uninhibited expansion any longer.
Move the growth to areas that have the resources thats all.
Virgil might want to look into a little thing called the CUP. That water in
Salt Lake is coming from somewhere, and they keep looking for more.
I agree that it is evil for Las Vegas to pump water in from an underground
aquifer.Meanwhile Utah pumps water from the Colorado River basin to
the Wasatch Front and Washington County wants to pump water many miles from the
Colorado River.Would a fair settlement be for Utah to kill the
boondogle to pump water from Glen Canyon to St. George if Nevada agrees not to
build the Las Vegas pipeline from Northeastern Nevada? Can Utah practice what we
preach to Las Vegas?
maybe they should make a continental pipeline seems like back east they always
have flooding etc bring the excess water to the west!
How many more fountains do they need down there in Las Vegas to keep the
tourists coming?Say what you want about SLC wasting water, at least
we don't pump it in from hundreds of miles away.