Blue roundup: Possible changes in BCS may impact BYU


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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    Coming from a BYU fan, how about BYU worry about putting on a quality program that plays a real schedule. Saturday night, yes BYU was on. But frankly it was boring, even for a fan. Who wants to see the big guy beat up on yet another hapless second tier team. When was the last time New Mexico meant anything to any bowl selection committee.

    Rather I changed the channel and watched the end of the Baylor and Oklahoma game - a game worth watching. Thanks heavens for ESPN 3 and the ability to watch the game I choose to watch. Sure, I kept track of the Y's game... but really, was there any suspense to who was going to win that one?

    As long as BYU puts on a show that has limited to no national importance, all this discussion is moot. Play a real schedule, independent or affiliated, and people will watch and care.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    Good to see that the "Independence" thing is working against BYU!!! A lot of people are laughing, especially Craig Thompson!!

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 1:31 a.m.

    @Luv 2 Troll U 1:49

    You said - "I don't think the Cougies could go undefeated if their honor code depended on it."

    If you're implying that BYU's honor code has something to do with their sub par performances, I disagree. I don't the the honor code had anything to with BYU's fourth quarter collapse in the Texas game.

    I don't think the honor code had anything to do with the silly, but costly special team mistakes in the TCU game.

    Fact is, the Cougars don't play as clean as other teams. Even in past seasons, they have lost close games due to nothing more than a dumb penalty here or a careless turnover there.

    In 2006, BYU finished 11-2. Their two losses were a three-point loss at Arizona and a seven-point loss at Boston College. In both games, the Cougars committed several costly mistakes which, if they had played cleaner would have given them an undefeated season.

    Same in 2007. Another 11-2 season, including a ten-point loss at UCLA and eight-point loss at Tulsa. in both games, the Cougars made just a few too many mistakes.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 19, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Jeff29 said:

    "Ute fans bragging about conference affiliation with the Rose Bowl = Vanderbilt fans bragging about conference affiliation with the Sugar Bowl. I have a chance at winning $30 million dollars every year in the Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes, but I don't start bragging about it when I get the envelope in the mail.

    Would I like for BYU to be in the PAC12 or BIG12? Sure. Would that automatically make BYU a better team? Using Ute logic, yes; using actual logic, no."

    Yet here we are, and BYU still does not belong to a power conference. Even after forty plus years of WAC legacy.
    And Vanderbilt has something that BYU does not. They currently belong to a BCS conference with automatic AQ status.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    The Rose Bowl was #1 PAC-10 vs. #1 Big 10. Putting a BCS in front of it didn't change the game, only the money. So, what if BCS logo is taken away? It's still the Rose Bowl for the PAC-12 conference. We hate the BCS anyways.
    Bigger news if the Big 10 changed bowls.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    Ken and Naval Vet?

    blah blah blah blah waaaaa waaaaa, ooo what a marquee matchup with those tough Wazzzzo cougs. I'll bet the whole country is on pins and needles waiting to see these two juggernauts square off. Please!! What have the Utesies done lately? answer: nothing. Beat UCLA? who hasn't done that? Byu would work them over too in the snow at LES. When your Utesies beat Stanford or Oregon in the Rose Bowl then come and whine.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    Ute fans bragging about conference affiliation with the Rose Bowl = Vanderbilt fans bragging about conference affiliation with the Sugar Bowl. I have a chance at winning $30 million dollars every year in the Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes, but I don't start bragging about it when I get the envelope in the mail.

    Would I like for BYU to be in the PAC12 or BIG12? Sure. Would that automatically make BYU a better team? Using Ute logic, yes; using actual logic, no.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 1:49 p.m.


    I don't think the Cougies could go undefeated if their honor code depended on it. This was the year to do it, as the scheduled is filled with mostly WAC teams.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    I said - "4. Have some type of four team or six team playoff system, with the games played before the bowl games, in order to decide the true #1 and #2 teams in the country."

    OOPS, my bad. I should have said, "Have some type of four team or six team playoff system, with the 'quarter final and semi-final games' played before the bowl games, in order to decide the true #1 and #2 teams in the country."

    A good bowl game for the Big East to AQ for would be either the Cotton Bowl, Gator Bowl or Sun Bowl.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    @hohum 10:23

    I hope you're right. The BCS, in my opinion, has always been the BS. It needs to die a quick and immediate death.

    As for everything else.

    1. Keep all the bowls, with their conference affiliations. (Yes Ute fans, you can still play in the Rose Bowl)

    2. Keep the National Championship game between #1 and #2 in the country.

    3. Give conferences like the Big East, Mountain West and Conference USA an AQ to a well established, quality bowl game.

    4. Have some type of four team or six team playoff system, with the games played before the bowl games, in order to decide the true #1 and #2 teams in the country.

    Now, every college team has a much better chance at playing for the national championship and none of the big conferences will lose their golden egg bowl games.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Whether the BYU football program goes to the Big East, stays independent or decides to take another direction, they still have the opportunity to make some noise in the college football world and cause more than a few sleepless nights for the BCS powers that be as well as the Ute trolls. You know how?


    Next year, the Cougars have three PAC 12 schools on their schedule, including Utah. They're also playing at Georgia Tech, at Boise State and at Notre Dame.
    With a schedule like they, they will turn heads if they finish 11-1 or possibly, maybe 12-0.

    Do I think that's possible? It's hard to say for sure because look at this season.

    Take away a few turnovers and costly penalties in the Texas game and TCU game and BYU could very well be 9-1 right now. On the other hand, they just squeaked by Ole' Miss, Utah State and Central Florida, which means they could easily be 4-6 right now too.

    In a nutshell, if BYU finishes 10-3 this year and has a Boise State or Utah type season in 2012, it will mean a lot for their future.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 19, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    So the train has already left the station and the Big East and therefore BYU is not on it? That's what this article seems to be saying.

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    If BCS changes the current format and has separate bowl against the top 2 ranked teams, it would put the four current BCS bowls back to their original conference sponsorships, which happen to be affiliated with Big Ten, SEC, Pac12, Big East, and Big 12. BYU will get the short end of stick to those multimillion dollar payout Bowls, including the Cotton bowl if it stays as an independent. This is because as an independent it plays a schedule of teams primarily from the Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) instead of teams from the Football Bowl Championship (FBS). Prior to this year BYU was in MWC and WAC which is considered a non FBS conference by the high multimillion dollar payout Bowls (like Rose, Orange, Fiesta, and Sugar) but BYU used the excuse of being locked into a conference and non-conference schedule included scheduling 1-2 teams from the FBS. Bottom line is BYU scheduler has used independence to schedule FCS teams and BYU ticket sales have dropped as well as their strength of schedule to be a ranked top 25 team regardless if they win against that competition. That's a travesty to the players and fans

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    AS I have said all along, the bcs will be done and gone in two years. I still am sure this will happen. What is not being said is why the bcs would be considering this move. Simply put, they are trying to salvage a championship game and give up everything else. They either do this or loose everything thru the legal challenges and anti-trust filing.

    Should this happen, and I believe it will, the conferences are not in a postion to do the same thing the bcs had done is obvious, anti-trust.

    The conferences will realign themselves like before, Rose was pac10 and big10, Orange big12, Sugar SEC, Fiesta, who knows, they may not survive all of the corruption in their system, which by the way, is the tip of the iceberg of the bcs scandals. Look at the sugar and Ohio state, Tressel and all.

    The best thing that could happen would be for the bcs to go away.

    The nc then could be anyone they decide, no affiliation (aq) necesary.

    Sorry u, it will mean nothing.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    The only thing to consider is the money angle. What make more sense; independence with exclusive contracts with the likes of ESPN; assuming there is a reasonable contract for game times, and "money" obviously. This would be weighed against the issue of being in a so-called BCS conference, qualifying the football team for a bigger-time bowl possibility. In todays world, I don't see BYU competing for a top eight ranking to qualify for a major bowl payoff. They don't have access to the quality players to reach that pinnacle in my opinion. As in who wants to go to Provo to play, when there are numerous more glitzy football schools around the country. I just don't see it right now; the justification to jump into a Big East situation when that conference is going down the tubes with defectors leaving right and left. Don't panic and jump. Boise State is a prime example of jumping around. What's that all about? What's their objective getting into the Big 10 (with 20 teams). Big Ten? What's that. And Big 12? Huh? Come on. BYU should stand pat with independence and let some of this insanity shake itself out. Go Cougars.

  • Chrissy Bee Atlanta, GA
    Nov. 19, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    This proposal is very similar to how things used to be. I like it. BYU won a national championship with that formula. The Utes?

    Nov. 19, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    The only thing that is for certain is that Bluto will continue to post his irrelevant individual BYU stats of 30 years ago, which have absolutely nothing to do with the present issue.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 9:05 a.m.


    Weren't you one of the many thinking Independence was the greatest thing ever? Make up your mind, something all BYU fans need to do. Pick a conference affiliation idea you support and go with it. No flip flopping.

    5 National Championships? Ha, dream on.

    And if you're trying to take a jab at the Utes for only winning 2 BCS bowls in this past decade, how many have you won? Correction, how many have the Cougies played for?

    A conference championship was all they could play for, now the AD took that away from them and gave them a cupcake schedule with a terrible month of November. But if you're happy with the likes of that team in Idaho (not Boise St., that other team) and New Mexico State... then whatever floats your boat I guess. I'll be busy watching the likes of USC, ASU, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, etc in future years.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2011 12:18 a.m.


    "...winning a Pac 12 title..."

    If history is known to repeat itself, and we're citing Ute football history, expect a long, as in very long, wait.

    Utes = Washington Generals when compared to the likes of Oregon, Stanford...

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:49 p.m.


    The Utes are long on potential, but short on delivery. The PAC 12 gift-wrapped the PAC 12 South for you, and you couldn't even win a pathetically weak division with the best team on probation and a bye versus Oregon and Stanford.

    Utah will play great opponents week in and week out?

    Utah can't even beat mediocre opponents week in and week out.

    What chance do you think you have of even winning the division when USC is back to full strength and UCLA turns their program around?

    Call us when you actually get to the Rose Bowl. Until then, you're nothing but a bunch of hot air.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    The Cougar fans are in typical form.
    You guys are seriously in denial if you don't think this would be bad for BYU.
    Why do you think the article is titled what it is?
    You all look ridiculous when you try to spin something into something it's so obviously not.
    Bottom line...the traditional bowls will still have major draw...that goes for money and exposure. The Big East / Independents (other than Notre Dame) will have an uphill battle to be let in to those big boy bowls. It's just a fact people, nothing to argue here.
    Another fact...for as much as you Cougs want to say "look at Arizona and Arizona State" blah, blah blah... bottom line is that Utah will play great opponents week in and week out and will at least know for a fact that should they break that oh so impossible barrier (according to Coug fans) of winning a Pac 12 title, they canNOT be denied at least the Rose Bowl and would have an excellent shot at the title game.
    So what would BYU's guarantee be if they won the Big East or the Independent/bottom half of the WAC championship?

  • BYU still rules Nephi, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    Um, Ute fans you will have to win the PAC to make the Rose Bowl. Better get alot better in a hurry.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    BCS as it is now is better than the old bowl system.

    But a playoff?

    Now that'd be nice.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 9:26 p.m.


    It's funny how all of those "good matchups" every week were considered cupcakes by the Utah trolls when BYU was playing the exact same teams in the past.

    Utah is in a good spot, but it won't mean much until the Utes actually do something meaningful in the PAC 12. If the Utes are getting so much TV money, why are they gouging their fans with increased ticket prices and student fees?

  • UTOPIA Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 18, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    Utah is still in a good spot. Good match ups nearly every week that keep the fans interested. And...how much was that Pac12 TV contract worth again? The U isn't sweating a thing right now.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    The BCS is clearly feeling congressional heat. In three years there could be a BCS sponsored playoff system

    The Utah BYU rivalry is over. The PAC12 will see to that. Which is a good.

    Urben Meyer's "school down south" mentality helped to create an atmosphere of hate and disrespect that coaches Whittingham and Mendenhall have not been able to overcome.

    BYU can no longer measure themselves by what Utah has accomplished. The future lies in building upon the relationships we have with those we have the most in common with Notre Dame and the WCC.

    Go Cougars

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    UoU 1991 | 3:14 p.m. Nov. 18, 2011
    Park City, UT
    Naval Vet

    I feel sorry for anyone so filled with hate that the only pleasure they have in life is wallowing in what they perceive to be the misery of others.


    You mean like SnackPac (lamest screen name on the Internet), Bluto and QuackHunter?

    Or is this just a "slam the BYU haters" affair?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    I think BYU, regardless, should still consider building a New Big East aka
    Big Country or Continental Conference.

    Having a nice schedule with teams all across this Country and a nice Bowl tie in, Cotton, Gator, Tangerine, Pinstripe, Holiday etc. (sorry for using the traditional names) is still better than playing the Wyoming's and San Diego State's of the World.

    Remember, most of these Bowl contracts are also up in the next few years, so the Big East will definately be tied to something quite decent.

    Then the Bowls are competing again for good teams. This could be healthy and more fun. The worst thing about the BCS, was how it tied up all the bowls with "both opponents" pre-set. Now most Bowls will go back to having at large choices, other than the Rose.

    Now Ute fans, with 24 teams in the Big 10(12) and the Pac 12, and two teams per year playing in said Bowl, what are the odds in the next 50 years, Utah even plays in one?

    Ask Arizona, who left the old WAC "To play in Rose Bowls", direct quote.
    Even the once mighty ASU has only played in Two Rose Bowls.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    According to the ESPN article if this does happen it means that the BCS will only have ties to the championship game between the top two. All of the BCS money will go to that championship game none of it will go to the Rose Bowl, Orange Bow, Sugar Bowl,and Fiesta Bowl which currently have huge BCS payouts. So before Utah fans start puffing their chests about how they will go to the BCS through the PAC-12, this proposal will eliminate that since the Rose Bowl will no longer have BCS money and their only chance is to finish 1 or 2 but that would require an undefeated season in the PAC and I don't see that happening. As for B.Y.U. go to the Big East since a revamped Big East could get a contract will these now non-BCS bowls.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2011 6:48 p.m.


    Once again, I'll type real slow...AQ status is gone, we're not talking about anything else but AQ! It comes down that only one bowl a year will be relavent. And then it get's real ugly because if you think the BCS is crooked now (which you probably did until leaving the MWC) wait until only two teams are selected from some strange formula that nobody can figure out.

    I can't believe that this even needs to be explained to you.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 6:40 p.m.

    As I said a year ago, some day the BCS bowls will find themselves on the Ash Heap of History.

    All that Utah has had to boast of, since 2004, is having played in a BCS game. Which Ten teams do every year.

    This Phony-Construct/Caste-System, will no longer be able to sustain Bottomfeeders with a False Sense of Superiority.

    Prior to 2004, The U of U went 56 years without winning a Conference Championship, in the Modern Era of College Football.

    After the dust settles, which program in this State will still have a...

    A Heisman Memorial Trophy
    5 National Championship Trophies (Consensus) from 1984
    Outland Trophies
    Davey O'Brien Trophies
    Sammy Baugh Trophies
    A Doak Walker Trophy
    College Hall of Famers
    23 Conference Championships
    Super Bowl and NFL MVP's
    60+ All-Americans with 15 being 15 Consensus ???

    These don't go away, the BCS will.

    Now Utah is just another Washington State or an Arizona, which is now in their 33rd Year of waiting for their "First" Rose Bowl.

    And the Utes will need to explain to their kids/grandkids what a BCS game was?

    While BYU's Legacy and Brand continues to Rise, Independent or in a Conference.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Don't get caught in a trap. That conference tie in is still going to be all-important in deciding who goes where. The power brokers in the east will see to it that their darling is taken care of. Go to the Big East.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    byu and the BCS has no meaning together!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    The only real solution, which is completely fair to everyone, is to just put BYU in the national title game every year. We all know they deserve it every year, so why not?

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    College Football needs a legitimate National Championship, just like College Basketball has.

    The only way to do that is to have a playoff.

    But a playoff in College Football is logistically impossible to fit into the few weeks between school semesters.

    So, the Conferences must be realligned to create something like a playoff bracketing system during the regular season. In other words, if you can't add a playoff TO the regular season, then make the regular season into the playoff.

    Currently, there are 18 Conferences with a total of 120 teams. The NCAA/BCS has no interest in eliminating any teams. They make money by having teams in the system, not be eliminating them. So they are moving to fewer Conferences with 12-14 teams each (6-8 teams in each sub-conference). ACC, Big10, Mid-American, PAC12, SEC, and ConfUSA are already set up this way. Next, Big12 and BigEast will merge, MWC and WAC will merge, and the teams from the Sunbelt as well as Indys will be shuffled into the rest.

    Don't worry. BYU will have a home in a Conference... eventually.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    One thing many Ute fans continue to ignore and keep putting forth that the Big East will lose AQ status is the fact that in order for the BCS to stay in business it must have the majority of the conferences to maintain the BCS. If the Big East loses its status they become part of the non AQ conferences, which would make the Non AQ conferences the new majority. This new majority could outvote the BCS voting block and change the whole picture. Remember, the only reason we have the BCS is because the majority of the conferences got together in a back room and crafted this illegal monopoly. They made up the majority of the D1 schools and therefore could ramrod it through the NCAA, which is a democratic group, and the NCAA could not block it. Simple majority wins the matter.

    Now which other conference would replace the Big East. There are no other conferences which could qualify. Ute Naysayers start thinking for once. For goodness sake you went to a quality university, start using some of that education for once in your life.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    3grandslams & Pugman

    Well said guys, well said.

  • waltk NEWTON, NJ
    Nov. 18, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    As a fan of the Big East, I'd love to see BYU join for selfish reasons. A known name in college football would enhance the league's credibility in light of recent departures. But bear in mind that the Big East never had a bowl tie in with any major bowl. The BCS gave the league its access. And the other bowls for the non-champion are not so good. So if what ESPN reports is going to happen, the Big East may be out in the cold. The league, with current membership and excepting WVU, is not highly regarded on a national scale.

    I'm not trying to discourage anyone. It would be god for the Big East, but I can't say there would be a big gain for BYU.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    newintown | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 18, 2011
    Did I miss somethin??

    What has Jimmer Freddette's girlfriend got to do with BYU affiliation with the Big Eas(y)t or the future of the BCS?

    Who cares who won the "sideline" award?

    I care cuz now Jimmer will stop tweeting 20 times a day for everyone to vote for her... Now I can actually follow him again.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:51 p.m.


    I wouldn't even bother trying to argue with anyone who doesn't understand that no BCS tie-ins to bowls means no BCS bowls, and therefore, no BCS leagues.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    The end of the BCS bowls sounds like a great time for BYU to roll up its sleaves to help the Big East build the bowl tied to the Big East champion into a major bowl. There's no need to try to coattail off the accomplishments of others.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:32 p.m.


    The PAC 12 may play in the Rose Bowl every year, but that doesn't mean the Utes ever will. Only insecure fans following a program devoid of any real national accomplishments would be so obsessed with "potential".

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    I feel sorry for anyone so filled with hate that the only pleasure they have in life is wallowing in what they perceive to be the misery of others.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Goodbye AQ and good riddance if it happens. Pairing the non-AQ undefeated against the worst of the qualifiers (ie--Pitt vs Utah), will be gone forever. Something that should have happened a long time ago.

    It will restore some tradition to the bowl games, and provide apparent access to all FBS-level teams, but it certainly doesn't remove the opinion poll-selection of 2-teams for a 1-game playoff claiming to be the championship.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    "The BCS cutting ties with other bowls would be death for any non-BCS league team."

    This has got to be one of the dumbest things ever posted.

    With only a championship game matchup of #1 vs #2, there wouldn't be any AQ or non-AQ BCS leagues, because there wouldn't be any BCS bowls to qualify for.

    As many predicted, the ill-conceived BCS is beginning to collapse under its own weight.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:58 p.m.


    "Hmm...hold on for a seecond [sic]...Rose Bowl - Big 10 and Pac 12...ok, that's set...Orange Bowl - Big 12 and ??? (seriously, I don't know...ACC? Big East?)...Sugar Bowl - SEC and ??? anybody they can get?...and what conferences have historical ties to the Fiesta Bowl exactly...the WAC?...Guess the Cotton Bowl @ Jerry's World becomes a major player again, too...and since the Southwest Conference no longer exists...well, you get the idea."

    As a no-BCS bowling Indy-WACer, I wouldn't have expected you to know this but...

    (1) The Orange Bowl is tied to the ACC; not the Big XII.
    (2) The Fiesta Bowl is tied to the Big XII. It's not independent.
    (3) The Cotton Bowl is tied to the Big XII as well. As is the SEC. Again, another major bowl that is not independent.

    You guys are tied to the Armed Forces Bowl. And the Fight Hunger Bowl. And Boise State's coattails [*snicker*].

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    Well, well, well. It seems as if the Big Least has lost its luster all of the sudden.

    Oh well, my team is in the PAC (you know, that prestigious conference with a prestigious Rose Bowl tie-in.)

    Hang in there Band of Lil' Brothers.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:54 p.m.


    "Ute fans will be able to hang our hats on our continued bowl opportunites with bowls such as the Rose Bowl."

    Before trying to hang your hat on your "bowl opportunities", why don't you first try finishing in the upper half of your conference?

    A program that has only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years doesn't sound like a program that is going to be playing in a Rose Bowl anytime soon. Arizona has been waiting 30 years. Utah's wait could be just as long.

    The skids were greased for Utah to play in the PAC 12 championship game this year.

    --no Oregon or Stanford
    --ineligible USC
    --a division filled with mediocre teams

    And the Utes still couldn't even win their division.

    Enjoy the Sun Bowl. El Paso sounds like a really exciting place.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Boy, lotta arrogance and ignorance out today. The way I see it, country club membership goes out the window and it all goes back to where you end up ranked. If BYU puts a product on the field, they'll play somewhere nice (besides Pasadena. Boo hoo!). With three at large slots to fill, if you are in the top five, you will play somewhere nice. Finish in the top two...

  • fibonacci2112 VALENCIA, CA
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    You have two solutions: 1 - Keep the old bowl system as it was and don't try to determine who is number 1 in the country. 2. Have a playoff. All of the other solutions are senseless.

    On a side note - To all of the Utah fans stating that the Cougars will never win a national championship, which could be true, - do you honestly feel that you will ever win the PAC 12 let alone a national championship? Over the past 40 years, only USC has ever won a national championshiop from the PAC 12. Washington went undefeated in 1991 and split the national championship with Miami.

    Since the inception of the BCS, only 1 NC has come from the PAC 12 which was USC, but they have since been stripped of the title. I'm just keeping it real.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:18 p.m.


    Sorry to burst your BYU-hating bubble, but BYU doesn't have to sneak into any bowl.

    BYU got into the Cotton Bowl, one of the original major bowls, on its own merits.

    Bowls and television networks are all about money, which means inviting teams that will actually bring fans to the game and get fans to tune in to watch the game.

    What near-sighted, Utah trolls don't seem to be able to grasp is that the rebuilt Big East would have enough national draw to tie their champion to a bowl that, if not already, would eventually be a major bowl.

    The Fiesta and Holiday Bowls were started by the WAC to host the WAC champion.

    Both bowls are now much bigger than the Sun Bowl, which was one of the original New Years bowls.

    Some people see things as they are and wonder why. Others see things as they could be and wonder why not.

  • ourtime99 Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    As it currently stands, unless teams are ranked #1 or #2, the conference champions are historically or contractually obligated to the following bowl games:

    Rose: Pac-12 vs. Big10
    Orange: ACC vs. at-large
    Fiesta: Big12 vs. at-large
    Sugar: SEC vs. at-large

    Do you see which BCS AQ conference is not listed there?

    The Big East currently enjoys automatic qualifier status for a BCS bowl, but their teams are selected among the at-large pool of eligible teams. That is, until the end of the 2012 season, anyway.

    If this plan goes down as stated in the article, the BCS as an organization would only serve to match #1 vs. #2 in an independent, national championship game. The rest of the bowls would basically revert to the old type of plan. And based on recent success, I imagine you'd see those "at-large" spots filled with a lot of highly-ranked SEC and Big12 teams. In a season like the current one, you might even see LSU in the NCG, Alabama in the Sugar, and Arkansas in the Fiesta. That's $54 million to the SEC if that ever happens.

    The little guys (which would more-or-less include the Big East at that point) would continue to get the shaft. Win the Big East? Play in a second-tier bowl game. Have a great season as an independent or mid-major? Play in a second-tier bowl game.

    This is definitely a bad thing for BYU whichever way you look at it.

  • CRB Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    The BCS cutting ties with other bowls would be death for any non-BCS league team. That means BYU could NEVER be in any major bowl because it all goes back to ties to conferences. It means that independant status is death unless you are Notre Dame. It means they must do all they can to get into the Big East. Doesn't matter if it's watered down.

    BYU will never have a season that matters after mid-September unless they are in a conference. The harder they schedule the worse it will be. They are 50% over 30 years against non-AQ teams in games and 48% against the BCS teams over 30 years (if you take out the Big 12 they are 45%). This is not a tradition that will get you to the NC game and no Big bowls will tie into BYU. So it has never been more important to be in a conference WITH A DECENT TV CONTRACT and AQ status. BYU only has a 40% win rate against the Big East teams over 30 years by the way so it is definately a step up for their program.

  • Orange&Blue Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 18, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Keep the bowls but send teams decided by a playoff. Wow! That sure was hard to come up with.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 18, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Hmm...hold on for a seecond...

    Rose Bowl - Big 10 and Pac 12...ok, that's set...

    Orange Bowl - Big 12 and ??? (seriously, I don't know...ACC? Big East?)

    Sugar Bowl - SEC and ??? anybody they can get?

    ...and what conferences have historical ties to the Fiesta Bowl exactly...the WAC?

    (You'd have to think that if Boise or BYU or even Air Force won the Big East championship, the Fiesta Bowl committee would be all over that one...)

    Guess the Cotton Bowl @ Jerry's World becomes a major player again, too...and since the Southwest Conference no longer exists...well, you get the idea.

    C'mon, you trollkids...the sky isn't falling in Utah County...as much as some of you wish it was...

    Yeah, if your talking about getting to a "BCS game", there only being two slots would make it a wee bit difficult. But if any Big East team...even BYU, shocking!...has the resume, they'll get to one of the Big Five games, just the same as every other major conference (plus Notre Dame)...

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 1:06 p.m.


    Ute fans will be able to hang our hats on our continued bowl opportunites with bowls such as the Rose Bowl. No its won't be a "BCS Rose Bowl." It will still be the Rose Bowl.

    Likewise, SEC, big 12, big 10, and ACC will all set up contracts with prestigious bowls.

    The leftover bowls/teams will get together. How does that sounds to byu fans?

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 1:05 p.m.


    You're clueless. Yes, all BCS games would go away. The best bowls would then negotiate on their on with the individual conferences.

    Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting Pac 12 teams: Lots
    Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting SEC teams: Lots
    Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting Big 12 teams: Lots
    Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting Big 12 teams: Lots
    Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting ACC teams: Lots

    Guess how many of the good bowls will be wanting big east and other irrelevant teams: NOT lots.

    Hope that helps!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    So, as I have said before...

    If the BCS system goes away...

    What will Chris B, MG63, and Navel vet and all the other ute troll hang their hat on?

    "But we won two BCS bowls"


  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    Virginia Tech? I think patriot means West Virginia.

    I think the only way this idea of the BCS focusing on just the national title game could work is as a "+1" after the regular bowls. We would go to the Rose Bowl always having the Pac-12 and Big Ten champions and the champion would have a possibility of going on the national championship. Maybe they could seed a four-team tournament after the bowls making the big four bowls simply the first round of a three round playoff.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    The BCS must be feeling some anti-trust heat in the way the access to the 4 major bowls and BCS NC game have been controlled. BCS types have long said that if that goes away, the 4 major bowls will revert to their historic conference tie-ins.

    What the U fans have tried, unsuccessfully it seems, to explain to the cougies is this:
    If the proposal goes through, it means the Pac-12 schools will still have the Rose Bowl tie-in (along with all the other bowls the Pac-12 has arrangements with), but the Big Least and independent schools will probably be left with just hoping to get to a lower tier bowl, knowing their noses will always be pressed against their TV screens on New Years Day.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    BYU is in a pickle. The Big East is a no go if the BCS status expires after 2013. Staying independent also locks the Y out of the BCS. The only real chance was the Big 12. I say was because it appears that opportunity came and went and TCU and Virginia Tech were chosen instead. There was also the sunday play issue the the Big 12 which was a non starter. So where does this leave BYU? Staying independent will eventually cause the money to dry up and the recruits following that. I'm sure Tom Holmoe is aware of all of this and will make the best decision possible. Some key indicators will be if Bronco renews his contract after 3 years and if Tom Holmoe sticks around as well.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Listen to the Utah trolls and the fans who believe they know everything. This is my opinion alone and what I read into this story. If the BCS goes away, then it paves the way for a system to be put in place that will cater only to the traditional football powers. Anyone who follows college football knows who those programs areI don't need to mention them. The next thing that will be taken into consideration is fan base and who will be the big draw that generates money. Sorry Utes, the NCAA could care less that you dwell in the Pac 12. And BYU.....you need to put a better product on the field. Obviously you have the exposure (see deal with ESPN) as well as fan base, and draw around the country.......but....you need a better football team. And that's just my opinion, and we all know what they say about opinions!!!

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Thank you DesNews for allowing ute fans responses and not trying to protect them for their own ignorance.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Ute fans read the article real slow...AQ status would go away for all conferences not just the BIG East. C'mon little bro's, read the article.

  • Spankie St George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:57 a.m.


    The title of the article is "Blue roundup:..." inferring all things BYU. Hope that helps.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    The longer BYU keeps it's composure and stays quiet, the smarter it looks.

    The real blow is actually to the U. If this happens, no luster to the PAC 12 anymore.

    The irony is if this idea becomes reality, all football programs become basically independent.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:54 a.m.


    What it means is there will still be very prestigious bowls they just may not carry the BCS tag. The pac 12 will still be in the Rose Bowl, every single year. The other prestigious bowls will set up contracts with the Pac 12, Big 12, Big 10, and ACC.

    It means there will be no "sneaking in" by poor teams such as Uconn from the big east last year.

    Your 1 in a million shot at a "upper bowl" is now 0 in a million.

  • 54-10 WHOOPTY DOO! bountiful, ut
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    I feel a better title for this article would be 'possible BCS changes would impact every Division 1 program in the country' cuz essentially it would effect more than just BYU... Everyone would feel the crush from A-Z including U.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    Even being in the Pac-12 won't have any bearing unless the talent of the conference from top to bottom improves and they actually have someone higher than #3 in the nation.... Did you not read the potato head language that all the BCS bowls could be gone and simply a championship game pitting #1 against #2? It is amazing yet tragic that people only read what they want to read when a completely different thing was eloquently said. Yes, the Rose Bowl will stay around and that has miles more prestige than the MAACO Bowl Las Vegas or the Armed Forces Bowl or any other pre-january 1st matchup. But folks, please read carefully the words these reporters are uttering... It is up to you to make yourself look like you have a lick of common sense or intelligence... So, get to work!

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Sorry. In my above comment I meant "I'm more than done playing WAC teams."

  • newintown WOODS CROSS, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Did I miss somethin??

    What has Jimmer Freddette's girlfriend got to do with BYU affiliation with the Big Eas(y)t or the future of the BCS?

    Who cares who won the "sideline" award?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    I can only respond to what I read in this article, but how can such "major" BCS changes only impact the AQ status of the Big East? Undoubtedly, any/all BCS changes will also impact the Pac 12 and all the other BCS Conferences as well, particularly if the BCS pulls out of the other "major" bowl games and focuses solely on the Nat'l Championship game. I still say our Cougs have to join a strong conference. The independent schedule isn't doing them any favors. Even though the games do get a little stronger in the next 2 years, BYU is far, far from the tradition & power of a Notre Dame to solicit the interest of other power house programs year in and year out. I'm more than playing WAC teams. That's why they left the MWC!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:02 a.m.


    Before you had a "dumb and dumber" kind of a chance to get to a BCS bowl. Something around 1 in a million. Now that "1" will be gone.

    We're glad U lucked out with the "dumb and dumber" chance you had, but if the new plan is adopted, "BCS" bowls won't even exist, simply a BCS championship game.

    And Utah's only claim to fame will be disappear as nothing more than a couple of bowl wins in a sea of bowls.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    the suggested change calls for the BCS to sever its direct ties with the so-called BCS bowls the Allstate Sugar Bowl, Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, Discover Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio and concentrate solely on arranging a No. 1 vs. No. 2 national championship matchup

    I'm missing something. There is a LOT of money in those 5 BCS games. I don't imagine "the BCS" would toss 4 money makers to focus on 1 game.

    The best teams generally come from the leagues associated to those bowl games. If the BCS cuts ties with the Rose Bowl, for example, that means the national title game wouldn't include a team from the Pac-12 or B1G.

    Unless... maybe they're saying we'd go back to traditional bowl games, where there would never be a Big 12 or SEC playing in the Rose Bowl. And the BCS national title game is a "plus one" that matches #1 & #2 after the bowl season. That would give more meaning to the bowls. If Oklahoma had to play Boise State, they'd actually care about the game this time.

  • Ute's R Gr8 Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Gotta love the PAC 12!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    This was an informal proposal that is being tossed around. Whether it is being seriously considered is questionable. The proposal essentially states that the BCS is just going after a national championship game and the rest the bowl games will be open to all 11 FBS conferences and independents. I seriously doubt the AD's of the BCS are going to release the stranglehold they have on the currently lucrative BCS Bowl games.

    But let's suppose this proposal is implemented. If BYU is allowed to keep its ESPN and it own broadcasting rights in the Big East, then they are still in a better position than their current independence. They have a ready-made schedule of competitive teams, a partner with Boise State, and a conference who will help them negotiate for the higher profile Bowl games.

    If the Big East is allowing BYU to have everything they want to join them then BYU should accept it, even if this unlikely proposal became a reality.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    It's like this: Before you had a "dumb and dumber" kind of a chance to get to a BCS bowl. Something around 1 in a million. Now that "1" will be gone. Got to love being in the Pac 12!

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:29 a.m.


    Without the AQ, a Big East schedule is still a November upgrade from the 2011/12 version (yes, I know, in 2013 it's suposed to get better, but still...)

    ...and if bowl bids are to be based on putting fannies in the seats, BYU should be just fine...and that partnership with ESPN won't hurt either.

    (...and don't think The Worldwide Leader isn't going to have a big say in who goes to what bowl...)

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 18, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    Here we go again. Any BCS changes will trigger conference realignment as teams try to position themselves to maximize the revenue to their school.

    I don't expect to hear any response from BYU about their Big East invitation until the BCS figures out what they will do next.

    Can't we just get back to playing football and quit focusing on conference realignment and BCS talk.