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Published: Thursday, Nov. 17 2011 6:12 p.m. MST

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SLars
Provo, UT

Anyone want to own up to writing the compact yet? The Utah compact and HB116 were both written in secrecy in an attempt to push it past us before we realized what it's true motives were.

The Salt Lake Chamber needs new direction and leaders. Their lack of compassion for Utah families and workers will catch up to them.

If you support illegal behavior, support the Chamber, if you don't condone those who support illegal activity, then be vocal and let them know, or just avoid their business.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

What's wrong with cheap labor? For one it makes fruit and vegetables less expensive which increases anti-oxident intake. This in turn decreases heart attacks, slows aging and keeps health costs, including insurance lower than they would be otherwise.

rbgntx
Kaufman, TX

The record deportation numbers can be misleading. Many of these are what are called "reinstatements". A person who has been formally deported and then apprehended again is not put through the deportation process again. Rather, the original order of deportation is "reinstated" and the individual is simply returned to their country of origin. In fact, this administration has strictly limited the enforcement capability of ICE and the Border Patrol. Reform is needed but it should first address the system of legal immigration which can politely be described as cumbersome. Those who take the trouble to try and come here legally should not have to wait years to do so. Preference to their needs should come before those who jumped the line.

DavidNichols
Gilbert, AZ

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
Alex De Tocqueville
1840's French Historian/Visionary

Look around at America since the beginning of the January 2008 start of the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs, and The January 2008 start of "The Worst Recession in U.S. History."

Choose The Right.

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

I know someone from Canada who immigrated here. They spent thousands of dollars and jumped through hoops for 3 years before getting their papers. That is the system in place.

The system is not perfect but what is offered by the chamber makes a mock of what my friend and thousands of others went through to be here.

There are literally thousands of others waiting for their time to come so they can legally enter the States. What about them? Why ignore people who are willing to play by the rules and allow those who are not to stay?

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@NeilT Sir me thinks you to be a liberal. The race card always enters the argument with liberals. That is usually because they have no other argument. Fact: no matter what race the offender is, a law breaker is a law breaker. No matter what race the offender is who is a recipient of ill gotten tax payer paid benefits, that individual is a mooch. You tell me how these illegals deserve all the benefits that my taxes provide for them if you can. They come through the back door of our homes and expect compensation . And you sir call those of us who object to this abuse racist. It my objection is racist then I welcome that label! The immigration system is not broken it is unenforced!

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

It looks like the Chamber cannot wait for all that irresistible, mouth-watering, luscious cheap labor. They gotta have it now.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

"Public officials should create and administer laws that reflect the best of our aspirations as a just and caring society. Such laws will properly balance love for neighbors, family cohesion, and the observance of just and enforceable laws." --official statement by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 11 November 2010

tom_e
Kaysville, UT

I think the immigration laws were well thought out when they were established. Quotas were set up for people with education. Special visas were set up for agriculture to allow workers to come and work when needed in agriculture and then return home. Now the Salt Lake Chamber wants cheap labor for local business. The problem is not with the laws but people disobeying the laws and their supporters.

Maggie
Saint George, UT

@NeilT..Strongly suggest you read the article in todays Deseret News "Dwindling % of intact families poses grave threat to childrens future."
Then I suggest you Google "Illigitimate Nation: An examination of out of wedlock births among immigrants and natives" and" Hispanic family values" by Heather MacDonald of the City Journal. Also "Illegals Committing crime in America" Then please come back and tell us that our "fears" are racially biased. They are not,they are based on fear for OUR families and children.
I am a Christian and I believe in helping all in this world to have a better life.The LDS have worked diligently through their many outreach programs to do this and their missionary program is a treasure. It is unfair to ignore others in this world who need our help and guidance while concentrating on any one group as this Utah Pact is doing. We must look to the future,the impact on our children and grandchildren in making these decisions. We must know who is coming into our country and their immediate and future impact in order for us to stay strong and help in the future.Legal immigration ,not amnesty allows for that.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

One of the local business unions, that goes by the name of Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. is rearing its ugly hand in the interference of government and is pressuring the peoples representatives to abide by the Utah Compact.

The Utah Compact is an agreement, a plan, an agenda, a plot to provide Utah business with cheap labor as the republican businessmen of Utah act to defeat and destroy the democrats. Their goal of defeating the democrats is so important to them that the will totally disregard the welfare of Utah and American citizens.

One question. Was the dropping of the of Commerce part of their unions name an attempt to make Utah readers think that the Salt Lake Chamber is any thing other than a mouthpiece for the businesses operating in and around Salt lake City.

ClarkKent
Bountiful, Utah

I'd like to have a law requiring a posting in plain view to the public notifying the public that the business does not E-verify or the companies it purchases for sale items from do not E-verify. Let the public be informed and allow the public to decide who they want to do business with. I'd especially like to see these notices in the produce sections in grocery stores.

Danish American
Payson, UT

The Federal government announced today they are going to start deporting people over 50 instead of illegal aliens. That will solve the Social Security and Medicare crises. They are easier to catch than illegals and being old they won't be able to find their way home as easy.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@NeilT

Those who believe in enforcement of the law are "extremists."

A flat-out lie, by implication.

"...punish people for being poor..."

A flat-out lie.

"...this debate is about race..."

A flat-out lie.

Amnesty, and looking the other way at illegality, is "common sense and decency."

A flat-out lie, by implication.

Persons who believe in upholding the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law "hate hispanic people."

A flat-out lie, by implication.

"Thank you LDS church leaders for taking the high ground on immigration."

The Church leaders who have spoken on this topic have uttered their own opinions and those of SOME of the Church leaders only. Only the First Presidency has the right to speak for the Church and set forth official doctrine and policy (Handbook 2, 21.1.29). Therefore, the Church "statements" in support of the Utah Compact do NOT constitute official Church policy nor doctrine.

"Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God [e.g., the 2nd Great Commandment] hath no need to break the laws of the land [Article of Faith #12]."
(Doctrine and Covenants 58:42)

Maggie
Saint George, UT

OK Danish American I got that e-mail too! LOL! My first thought was "Nothing this administration does would surprise me." Then I remembered,other counties have immigration laws,they obey and insist I do. Doubt they would want a bunch of outspoken Americans who are broke,thanks to our government.

SpanishImmersed
Mesa, AZ

Thanks Salt Lake for opening your doors as a sanctuary city and state. We are sure you will welcome the thousands of latino families now making their way, or planning to get to Utah as soon as they can from AZ, CA, and elsewhere. Best of luck taking care of all the essential services overload you will experience.

EJM
Herriman, UT

They can pick up the phone and call me? Why didn't he say that this past week or so when our legislative leaders from Capitol Hill made that trip to Washington D.C.? I started laughing when I saw his comments. Made my day!

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

I'm with the Chamber on this one. One of the main comprehensive "reforms" I would like to see is ENFORCEMENT!! Then another reform is to stop all entitlements for illegals. Thirdly, reform the system so that those who have come here illegally are then NEVER eligible to immigrate or obtain a temporary workers visa. We may even tweak the legal numbers so that it increases the number of legal visas say 10%. Viva LEGAL immigration.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Oh and one other and most important reform. For companies knowingly hiring illegals, a hefty fine (enforced of course) or loss of business license.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

anti-liar says, "... the Church 'statements' in support of the Utah Compact do NOT constitute official Church policy nor doctrine."

If the Church issues an official statement, you can be sure it is sanctioned by the First Presidency and is in harmony with both Church doctrine and Church policy.

The Church's statements on immigration serve primarily to clarify principles rather than to endorse specific people, documents, or courses of action. These principles don't constitute new doctrine or policy, but they may help people better understand existing doctrine and policies and how these relate to the larger gospel picture.

The Church has stated that:

* it discourages members from overstaying visas or crossing borders without legal documentation
* the federal government must ultimately resolve the illegal immigration issue
* state-level enforcement-only legislation "is likely to fall short of the high moral standard of treating each other as children of God"
* "The Church supports an approach where undocumented immigrants are allowed to square themselves with the law and continue to work without this necessarily leading to citizenship"
* immigration solutions should balance compassion, reverence for family, and respect for "just and enforceable" laws

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