Leaders wear arrest as badge of honor
@Brave Sir Robin: Face it, America IS a Socialist nation. Entitlement programs
like medicare/medicaid, social security, unemployment, food stamps, housing
assistance, head start, etc. consume an immense portion of the government's
budget (both federal and state). The bailouts were the biggest
example of socialist policy this nation has seen since the CCC. In a truly
capitalist nation the banks and automakers would have been allowed to fail
because that's how business progresses. If you take a risk and it doesn't pan
out you have to suffer the consequences. Businesses that make bad decisions fail
and businesses that make good decisions flourish, that's the core of capitalism.
When government steps in to safeguard a business that is socialism at work.Why is everyone so afraid of socialism? Britain, France, Germany and
Canada all have extensive socialist policies and they seem to be weathering the
global economic crisis better than we are.
Response to The_Kaiser;I do not know what is in the mind nor heart
of the individuals, but from what I have seen and read, there is very little
substance. The Federal Reserve has not been mentioned by the protesters that
I've heard, most didn't seem to know what was up financially (other than there
are rich people and it's not fair!).My problem with this whole thing
is that the movement has caused more problems than any solutions. Like I stated
before no action, just whining. I would respect them if they as a whole had a
clue, gave thoughtful solutions, helped those that they have hurt. By their
fruits you shall know them, and this fruit is rotten.Name ONE GOOD
ACTION that OWS has done? Do they help their fellow man? Do the want
to sacrifice all and work hard? Do they respect others, property?Wall Street is not the problem.A weak, selfish, ignorant,
dependent, idle, blame someone-anyone, envious society is the problem.... In my
opinion.Yes they do have the right to protest, but just because you
can does not mean you should!
The US Supreme Court has already ruled that restricting overnight camping DOES
NOT infringe on free speech rights.1984 Clark, Secretary of the Interior,
et al. V. Community Creative Non-Violence et al., 468 U.S. 288Burbank and
Becker should have never allowed them a foot in the door.
This crowd would do well to get a one way ticket to Cuba. They need a serious lesson on capitalism/communism. Wonder how long their 'right to free speech' would last in Cuba? But on the second hand, they would be allowed to 'camp-out' all they wanted.
I had to laugh at the signs in the print edition. The main banner called for an
end to capitalism, while a sign in the background said "camp to protect
your rights"I suppose ending capitalism would protect their
rights as much as, say, communism has done? How'd that work out in the USSR or
China with tens of millions killed by the government? What happened to THEIR
rights?How about socialist Germany from 1932 to 1945? A LOT of
rights were protected there, weren't they?
Stay strong OWS protestors. You are on the right side of history.
Let's face it: When these people get together en mass, it allows them to find
better pot at better prices. End of story!
@Right or Wrong"There are many agendas that the group seems to
have but I can't find one to support." -How about the Federal
Reserve? If you don't agree with them there, you obviously don't know the role
the Federal Reserve plays."There seems to be no honor in this
movement."-That is sure a bold blanket statement. Are you sure you
have recognized every individual in it to ensure this?I don't
sympathize with the Occupy movement personally, but I will defend their right to
protest as long as the Constitution stands. They have the right to protest, and
they shouldn't be vacated because the Constitution trumps claims of "public
The photo by Jeffrey D. Allred, accompanying the Pat Reavy article on page B1 of
the Deseret News print edition, is interesting. There we see about twenty-two
protesters, replete with sunglasses, tennis shoes, boots, caps, hats, jeans,
trousers, tights, sweaters, coats, scarves, purses, a flag, a fast-food drink in
a styrofoam cup, most all -- if not all -- of which items were created by people
who privately owned the means of producing the items, created for profit,
distributed and sold and purchased in competitive markets, and created, sold,
purchased and distrubuted by laborers who were paid a wage. In short, the Occupy
SLC participants are shown to be beneficiaries of capitalism, which they
denounce. Even the signs and banner they carry are made with materials and
paints and markers that no doubt result from capitalistic enterprise. The photo
would depict a rather differnt view of the participants if they were stripped of
the products of capitalism.
This Occupy sit-in campaign has never really established any goals or reason for
what they are doing other than this grassroots movement is the brain child of
our presidential leader to "play" citizens in a game of class war fare
to force congress to pass the presidents job tax bill. CIA, NSA, etc have spread
the word to all mayors and local police this movement is a hands off affair. No
harassment, no arrests, no permits required. This was the original
intent, however, everyone left in the movement has no organization or idea what
their goal is except to complain about wall street having too much money. If
they really want to hurt wall street just cancel money in their investment
retirements, go home, get warm.For one thing, arresting people and
putting them on chain gangs or work details is now illegal. Its been coined as
slave labor so that's why prisoners just sit around 24/7 and tattoo themselves.
During the early 20th century many small towns and local business would pay the
prisons and wardens to hire the prisoners as unpaid slaves and as prison reform
took hold putting prisoners to work became unconstitutional.
Why is Becker giving these people the time of day? They don't work, they don't
pay taxes, they don't vote, they contribute nothing. I'm with
"OnlyInUtah", next time they get arrested give them something to do.
May I suggest that the next time the city arrests them it would serve the
community to put them on a work detail.. Let them pick up trash on the highway
or paint over graffeti covered walls before giving them a night in jail.If they want to occupy our town, let them contribute to it first.
Exactly what I was thinking, Brave Sir Robin. These occupiers claim to
represent me, yet they are costing me with the security that they need and they
are costing me for the time and resources invested in every arrest. It's a sad day when they're patting themselves on the back for not being
"violent" while getting arrested. Personally, I'd like to raise the
bar a little bit higher than that--does that put me in the 1%?
It seems like getting sent to jail isn't having the expected deterrent effect on
the occupiers. After all, they got a night's shelter and three meals for free,
paid for by taxpayers. Sounds a lot like socialism, which is exactly what the
occupiers want.Maybe a better sentence next time would be requiring
them to get and hold a job.
much to do about nothing. 25 people? big deal. get a life and a job. obamavilles
will be closing down soon.
A movement with no direction and with little more than class warfare as its
weapon is a waste of time. There are many agendas that the group seems to have
but I can't find one to support. Statistically I'm in the 99% but I
want a movement with morals and heart. If "occupiers" were honest they
would spend their time and energy helping, and I do mean helping those in need,
not just marching/protesting because they want their student loans forgiven.There seems to be no honor in this movement. The very term
"occupy" is one that leaves a bad taste. I prefer doers, not whiners.
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men."Abraham Lincoln