Comments about ‘Utah Compact helped turn anti-immigration tide in Arizona’

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Published: Thursday, Nov. 10 2011 11:56 a.m. MST

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NotBuyingIt
MIDVALE, UT

What a bunch of nonsense. Illegal immigrants are criminals. Period. Law enforcement is the only way to deal with the problem. I find it very disturbing when people try to portray illegals as victims, as if they were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They come of their own free will and for their own benefit and they break the law to do it. Some will argue "They just want better lives for themselves". So what? Don't most people? The difference is that most people understand they do not have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that they find difficult to acquire by legal means. And they certainly don't have the right to do it in a foreign country. We should relentlessly enforce immigration laws and also cut off all taxpayer financed services, including education, to all illegal immigrants immediately.

Rocky Mtn Lady
Columbus, MS

If Utah and any other State wants the Federal Government out of their business, Utah should stay out of Arizona's. Now the people in Utah can look forward to anothr influx of illegal immigrants to wear down their social and educational programs.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

Have you read the Utah Compact? It does not condone illegal immigration. It protects legal visitors and citizens and gives all people their day in court.
Asking people that look like immigrants, brown people, to have special documents at all times and can be asked for their documents without reason is not only a violation to legal people and brown US citizens but sets the US as a terrible place to visit.

The Olympics asked people around the world to come to Salt Lake for a visit, great for Utah business, but be prepared to be watched closely by the authorities at all times and random searches.

NotBuyingIt
MIDVALE, UT

Canyontreker- You are horribly confused. Authorities cannot ask people for proof of citizenship or residency at random. The must have reasonable suspicion to believe that the person is here illegally before they can ask for ID. Example:
Just having brown skin is NOT enough to arouse reasonable suspicion. However, sneaking across the border in the middle of the night is. Understand the difference?

ram83
Sandy, UT

Yea Majorie I believe you dropped the ball on the title big time. One person gets narrowly defeated and now no one wants immigration laws to be enforced? Riiiight. I speak Spanish fluently, have been to Mexico numerous times, love the language, culture, etc. However, even after all my liberal professors tried to brainwash me into thinking Hispanics/illegal aliens can do no wrong I finally came to the conclusion it's wrong to believe that you are superior to the laws and do not have to follow them.(no matter how good of intentions you have, support family, etc) I know most illegal aliens are good people but that's not the point. Just because you do not like the laws because you break them everyday and certain segments of society have made it easy to be here and work illegally does NOT change the fact that LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and my immigrant ancestry in IMO feel like they have been slapped in the face for waiting and waiting and waiting. Is that so hard to understand? Nothing ever seems to change. This is sad. Truly sad.

michaelitos
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm continually shocked by the anger and vitriol spouted by many on these comment boards. So many cry for justice, which is fine. However, I remind you all, "with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matt 7:2)

The bills that the Legislature passed last year went a long way to finding that delicate balance between justice and mercy on this difficult issue.

I just wish Congress could do the same.

Bag Man
POWDER SPRINGS, GA

@ Canyontreker 10:47 a.m. Nov. 11, 2011

I do not know how you think because you want free trade that I am calling you a liberal.

The topic is about illegal aliens coming into our country, unless that is what you want when you say free trade. Do you want the illegals here to work your business?

We do need to change the laws to allow workers to come her legally, but when they choose to cross the borders without the proper work visas or or other documentation then it becomes an illegal act and that is what I cannot justify.

Kiyo
Washougal, Washington

The tide is turning, but in what direction?

ouisc
Farmington, UT

I actually don't mind the Utah Compact. I would even make an effort to sign it if it was actually productive. But it's nothing more than a group of wannabe's that have committed to inaction on our illegal immigration problems.

I am not opposed to immigration--I'm opposed to illegal immigration. I have a right to know who my neighbors really are. No, not the new names they received through the "underground" Latino groups that channel tens of thousands of Latinos into Utah. No, not the names that appear with their stolen social security numbers so they can obtain jobs illegally.

Come on in through the front door, tell me your real name, and I'm happy to receive you. It's easy to come to America legally...easier than most other countries! Even for migrant work!

Moderate Thinking
Bogota, Colombia, AA

@ouisc

"Immigrating legally to the U.S. is among the easiest immigration processes in the world."

Unfortunately, this is absolutely not true. The immigration process to the United States is the most competitive, and the most difficult in the world. If you are not a "skilled" worker, immigrant visas will almost universally reject one's visa application. This is why so many end up immigrating illegally. Not because they prefer it to legal immigration. Generally, it is their only option.

My source of knowledge: I'm a foreign service officer at a U.S. embassy. I am around the process every day.

DougB
Spanish Fork, UT

It is unnecessarily difficult to come to the "land of the free" right now. Our new laws regarding immigration are contradictory, unenforceable, unjust, and in some cases un-Constitutional. Why on earth would any liberty loving American howl for more laws like these?

For the vast majority of us commenting on these boards, our ancestors came to these lands without a 15-year wait, a capped lottery, or bilking fees.

This is relatively new in America, this widely believed lie that those lucky enough to be born here are entitled to liberty and that others should only come if they are already rich or skilled (in other words already blessed with the potential blessings of the 'land of opportunity').

These popular ideas are founded upon the additional enervating prevarications about the scarcity of jobs and the necessity of our unfunded welfare state (that would work, the argument goes, if people would just stop coming here and proving how unscalable the system is ... those of us that are LDS should recognize that those same arguments work against having multiple children in families). Children and immigrants don't steal what's yours.

I am grateful the LDS Church publicly supported the Utah Compact.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

NotBuyingit
Exactly, in Utah you can not hassle people because of the way you look, thanks to the Utah Compact this story is being told.
But, this was not the case in AZ until protestors changed the law. It is also not the spirit of the Alabama and Georgia laws.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

At BagMan
The discussion is about the Utah Compact. I felt from your comment that you thought those that approved the Utah Compact were "liberals". The Utah Compact is about treating alleged aliens fairly. I care about the legal visitors and US Citizens of a different color to not be assumed as illegal. They should not have to walk about with extra documents to prove their legality.
It is pro-business to open free trade and allow visitors to buy Utah goods and services while in Utah. Some will have to live here to represent their companies.
I am surprised how many anti-immigration comments assume all immigrants are illegal. I hope law enforcement does not feel this way.

Maggie
Saint George, UT

@Razzle2
Absolutely no one has said all immigrants are illegal! If you have ever traveled in other countries you know that you MUST have papers on you at all times. If you get stopped for anything, anywhere and if you open your mouth and do not sound or look like a native, they ask for papers to prove you have followed the laws of that country. I have never once thought that was wrong or racist. I was a guest in another country,I may have been there for work or vacation and never once thought they were wrong. This is an insane conversation that any of you do not believe people coming to our country should be exempt from our laws.It is not racist,it is not wrong.Did your parents never tell you about obeying laws and the reason for them? We do need to streamline legal immigration but not accept illegals. Americans have a right to know who is in this country and why,for our safety and economic well being. I want to be shown the same respect that I show when I travel to another country.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

The Salt Lake Chamber was talking about guest workers back in 2008. The Compact was part of an orchestrated attempt to retain their cheap illegal labor.

@Canyontreker, over a million tourists from Brazil visit Florida each year. I don't understand your problem. They have a consulate in San Francisco with a website.

We are going to have a lot of servicemen and their support people returning to this country. Illegal immigration is a non issue as they need the jobs.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

@Maggie
I don't know how to be clearer. I don't care about the illegal immigrants. But to argue that visiting people have to have their documents at all times means that legal citizens need their docs too. If legal citizens look like immigrants they can be hassled for not having proof of legality. It is not a problem in Utah and the Utah Compact shows the rest of the US that is the case. But, in other states and by some of the comments here we want immigrants to have their proof of legality. So, even if you are a U.S. citizen you better be able to show your proof at all times in all cases. Not a nice country to live in or visit if you are different. And not a nice way to do business with the rest of the world. I am an International Business man. I am usually welcomed and encouraged to do with business with other countries. I want the same for the visitors that I invite here and for the Utah travel industry too.

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

JBrady
Sorry, but your figure is sooo old. I lived in Orlando when the Brazilians used to come to the US by the plane load and filled our hotels. The Brazilians are no longer able to come to the U.S. freely. The current administration is up to 120 days late in visas. They claim they need more money to keep up, but the total number of visas to the US has actually declined. Since 2008 the world travel has increased 26% while US export of travel, meaning International visitors to the US, has decreased 17%. Senator Lee has a new bill to streamline the visa interviewing process without spending more money. The Senators from Nevada have a bill to make the State Department responsible for the mismanagement of visas to the US. It is killing our business in Southern Utah and I expect it is affecting our ski business too.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

@Canyontreker, people here on a green card have to carry it with them at all times. Same with someone here on a visa. Americans are required to be able to prove their identity in a specific time frame. We have never had the right to lie to police about our identity, and walk away with out them checking it out. During the Vietnam war males over 18 had to carry their draft cards at all times.

We have the right to know who is in our country.

@Cowboy Dude, 2010, Florida had 1 million tourists from Brazil, look it up. There is 30 or so countries that do not need visas for us to visit, or for their citizens to visit us. All other countries require a visa. If the business just deals with Brazil, plan ahead and apply for the visa. We live in a global world, if your going to do business nationally, do it within the law. You can't expect the US and Brazil to change their visa laws just for you.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

The part of the law that was not blocked is still in effect. Arizona's people still support it. And it looks like the blocked portion will go before the Supreme court. The same Supreme court that ruled that Arizona was within it's right to make E-verify mandatory, and pull business licenses for hiring illegal labor, another of Pearce's laws. He ran into a buzz saw of retribution against Arizona for daring to enforce immigration law.

Thinking the Utah amnesty compact had anything to do with it would be a stretch at the very least.

Kathleen3
WARMINSTER, PA

Pearce's recall was the final straw and the determining factor for reasons I absolutely, positively will not vote for a Mormon - any office from dog catcher to president.

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