@John20000 Prostitution is available in Utah. Although I'm not
advocating legal prostitution I must say....making it against the law has never
stoped "the oldest profession". It's ridiculous to even compare the
two. I've also lived in states where the are liquor stores or bars
on many corners. Although there was some public drunkeness to be seen; it was no
more than what can be seen at times in Utah so that is a non-argument. The U.S.
had prohibition....remember! It failed miserably! If a state wants to prohibit
it completely....then the illegal element will take over. You know why? It's
because there is a market for it. The market doesn't just go away because it's
illegal. The only thing these silly liquor restrictions in Utah do is NOTHING,
so why have them? Do you really believe they have an impact? I can get liquor
just as easily as I could in the state I came from. The only difference is....my
access is limited to a few places rather than there being many. Silly
restrictions and limiting licenses will not slow the flow. I actually could care
less either way because the silliness has no impact!
Hutterite, I seriously doubt that the teens in Japan don't drink
because it is prohibited. It is prohibited here as well. I lived in Brazil,
where there aren't any alcohol prohibitions and just about everyone drank to a
certain extent, but cheap booze flowed freely and we had drunks falling over all
over the place.
If they EVER do a COMPREHENSIVE outside audit of UTA - the DABC will look like
"small potatoes" comparatively.
Government selling alcohol makes taxpayers part of the business. Never a good
thing for government to do a business when Private Enterprise shoud be running
If this is what the commission uncovered in such a small satellite commission,
can you imagine the billions being wasted in larger commission using the same
laws and regulations to run the BOE, UDOT, TRAX, DWFS, DCFS, etc? We are talking
billions or trillion dollar waste and mismanagement in this state and no
accountability for it.Is Utah so rich we can turn our heads on
mismanagement and waste forever? Will we keep our eyes shut and ears plugged so
we don't have to hear how easily we have been fooled by people we are supposed
to trust?TRAX is now admitting its errors and life endangering cost
cutting fraud, so how blind are we going to stay? Our education departments have
also been exposed to similar fraud, waste, and abuse and we remain silent. When
is accountability going to be established in these commissions? Lack of
accountability is destroying our government and departments.
@john2000: If YOUR theory was correct about availability you would
see many more people smoking in this state. Cigs are available at all gas
stations on any day at any time. Not too hard to get at all if you are 19.
How on earth did the commission not figure this out a LONG time ago? Isn't it
there job to oversee things like that?
John 20K,I moved to Utah because I had to. I would prefer it were like
'most other states'. That way I wouldn't have to import so much. Of course, I
wouldn't make as much money in the transportation business, I guess. It's
not about availability. With the noose around most folks in utah, this place
should be able to withstand the most liberal liquor laws in the nation. After
all, if most folks are forbidden, they won't. Will they? Or does that not work?
Anyway, I've also lived where laws were more liberal. In japan, if there
isn't a vending machine on the train platform, there's a small store called
"Kiosk" that never closes. Has beer and liquor. Prohibition for teens
is still the law there, too, so they don't drink. Whatever problems that
are going to exist in Utah from alcohol already do. Availability isn't an issue
if you know how to work the system, so let's stop with the stupid pretending.
@joggle: I moved to Utah because it wasn't like "most other
states". I would prefer to keep it that way. I think you are
wrong about availability not even being part of the issue. I lived in a country
where prostitution was very available and (not surprisingly) infidelity was
high. I have lived in places where there were liquor stores every other block
and public drunkenness was high. Availability is part of the issue.You are correct about education, but teens are usually more concerned with
their peer groups and are still developing their mental capacities. Let's keep
drugs and liquor out of their hands as best we can. Prohibition for teens is
still the law.
Someone help me here. Isn't the commission's job to oversee the DABC? How could
management have kept the commission in the dark for so long? Seems like if
they're going to clean up this mess they ought to give everyone the boot and
start with a clean slate.
Perhaps if the LDS church wants to continue to exercise its power and influence
over the State legislatures to keep the sale of alcohol under control, the least
the church could do is to loan out its auditors to this commission! If the
voters had any idea as to the cost of these audits perhaps they would change
their mind about have the State controls in place. Its one thing to vote
according to someones religious beliefs in an attempt to control the sale of
alcohol; its another thing when that power block ends up costing every resident
in the State of Utah for these audits.
Whether it's privatized or not....there can be and always will be control by the
state to one extent or another. Privatizing doesn't mean that the state loses
all control. Nobody is talking "NO restrictions" with alcohol or no
age limit! Since when has complete prohibition or limited access prevented
anything? Most people who drink.....drink responsibly. However, there will
always be those who don't and no amount of restrictions will stop them from
ruining their lives as well as the lives of others. It's unfortunate, but that's
life! You can't walk around following all the alcohol abusers watching their
every move afterall. Many teenagers often experiment with alcohol despite
warnings and education, but eventually they either grow up and be
responsible.....or they go on being irresponsible and destructive. Don't blame
the availability of alcohol...put the blame squarely on whose responsible....the
person. Try treatment, more education, or stiff penalties because prohibition or
illogical restrictions will have very little impact. Afterall...if people want
alcohol bad enough.....they can make it themselves!This audit
suggests that perhaps the state should get out of the liquor business and just
establish the restrictions....kind of like MOST other states.
Well this is just what the leaders of this state want is dummies in these
commisions so they will not catch on to what is happening. Experienced people
ought to be chosen for these commisions so they can do a good job. All audits
ought to be sent to the commission to know what is going on. Of course if we
want to privatize then they will listen on to the special interests just like or
congressmen do. It is easier to have no restrictions of alcohol use and
everybody in the family can use it and destroy their self control and abuse
their spouses and children every days and smile about it.
If it's been mismanaged for that long it just needs to be done away with.
Privatize the liquor industry in Utah, the government does not need to be
involved with alcohol sales.