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  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 4, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    Yep.
    Another day and BYU fans are grasping for lolly pops again.
    Like I said. The talk of BYU joining a BCS conference allegedly revolves around two sinking conferences.
    How about reaching out to a stable conference for once? At least the WCC is stable.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 4, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Bluto:

    "You have no idea with whom Tom Holmoe has spoken to nor any details therein. He has clearly indicated tha the has been speaking with Conferences (plural) for months now."

    Uh...please provide a Cut-&-Paste clip of a post where I said Holmoe hadn't been speaking with other conferences. If you can't do that, then I don't know what your point or argument is. All I said was that Big East officials did not visit the Y. If they really DID, then by all means....provide me with the name of the article that verifies that, and don't forget to include the name of the publication and the date of the story.

    Until then, don't talk to me about accuracy. I looked. I saw nothing in the way of reports that suggest Big East officials were in Provo last week.

    "They are a Marketable National Brand, which 2 Conferences have indeed been interested in."

    But not all THAT interested, were they? I'm assuming you meant the Big XII - who did NOT invite the cougars - and the Big East, who at present, had not invited them either. I'm only dealing in facts here. Prove me wrong.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 4, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    TrueBlue:

    "Actually, Big East officials did visit BYU last week."

    And how do you know this? How do you know they were in Provo? How do you know what was said between their officials and yours. I googled "BYU Big East Provo invite" and I saw NOTHING that supports your version of events. What do you have to back yours up?

    Prediction: Nothing.

    At your request, I can provide you with the google keywords linking you to the ESPN report that said Big East officials stopped in Colorado Springs and Boise, but that article said nothing about any stops in Provo? How could ESPN have missed that detail. Why does it appear that it isn't a secret for the Big East to pursue BSU, AFA, SMU, UH, UCF, and USNA, but everything is all hush-hush whenever it pertains to the cougars?

    Did you just frantically and emotionally make that up?

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "What is BYU doing?"

    Denver Post: 11/04/2011

    The Big East is expected to extend invitations to six schools: Boise State, Air Force and Navy for football only, and Houston, SMU and Central Florida for all sports, possibly as soon as today.

    David Cannon, director of public affairs at the Air Force Academy, said Thursday there has been no contact with Big East officials since a meeting in Colorado Springs more than a week ago.

    Boise State university president Bob Kustra indicated the final decision for Boise State could hinge on the Big East's ability to add a western segment to the conference in order to have two, six-team divisions and a championship game. Officials at BYU confirmed there have been discussions with the Big East.

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    BYU could very well be the lynch pin in the Big East's expansion plans and their goal to remain a BCS AQ conference after 2013.

    Carry on with your fantasy of BYU sitting on the sidelines doing nothing while the college football landscape changes around them.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    CordonBleu said:

    "San Diego State has said they'd like to be in the Big 12 or Big East, but neither conference has shown even the slightest interest in the Aztecs.

    Go back to your tree hugging."

    Wrong, officials from the Big12 pointed out that San Diego St. could be an inroad to CA recruiting.
    Interesting you point out SD St. reaching out to BCS conferences. What is BYU doing? Nothing.

    Carry on with your fantasy BYU sports.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    @tomahawk red

    Just another poor and desperate utah "fan" praying with all her might that BYU will somehow fail. pathetic. LOL!

    I'm very happy with independence by the way. I don't want BYU to join a conference. Yes I know that utah "fans" cannot understand this and that is because utah is pathetic program that would fail if not propped up by greater institutions, just like BYU has propped them up for the last 40 years. You view things through the prism of a program that cannot stand on its own. But for those of us that support a program that can stand on its own it is a feeling of.....freedom. It's exiliharating.

    You wouldn't understand. Go back to your dependency and leave self sufficiency to the big boys.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    San Diego State has said they'd like to be in the Big 12 or Big East, but neither conference has shown even the slightest interest in the Aztecs.

    Go back to your tree hugging.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:49 a.m.

    Duckhunter |
    Highland, UT

    Joining the big east is not attractive enough for BYU to leave independence and join. Yes the big east wanted BYU for this western division, boise and air force were pushing very hard, BYU said no. Haters and insecure BYU fans can believe what they want but that is what's happened here.

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    There are just no words that can even come close to fully describing the Alice in Wonderland fantasy world you live in.

    Just no words.

    BYU has received absolutely no invite to either the Big XII or the Big East, and every single official/source on this issue has said so. Yet, for reasons none of us will ever understand, you choose to simply make up information and pass them off as facts. In fact, I'll bet even you are starting to believe the off-the-wall trash you shovel.

    It's unbelievable, really. And a ringing example of why so many U (and even some Y) fans can't tolerate your posts on this board. But above all, it's a shining example of why so many endless fans everywhere absolutely LOVE to hate BYU and their fans.

    I've just never seen such delusional thinking.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:34 a.m.

    SyracuseCoug | 12:21 p.m. Nov. 2, 2011
    Syracuse, Ut
    I would much rather be in the Big East-West conference with a chance to play for a BCS bowl every year and make bank in television revenue than to endure another year of this Independence experiment.

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    Finally... a BYU fan who has the guts to admit it.

    The rest of you agree wholeheartedly, but aren't willing to say it publicly.

    "Quite frankly, I like BYU as an independent..."

    Please.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:30 a.m.

    CougarKeith | 11:49 a.m. Nov. 2, 2011
    Roy, UT

    Boise is getting shafted not including all their sports!

    They could get a lot of decent schools, like Fresno, Nevada, Hawaii, Utah State, Texas El Paso, maybe steal a TEXAS TECH

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    A) BSU brings absolutely nothing of value to any conference with their non-football athletics.

    B) What motivation in the world would Texas Tech have for jumping ship from an elite conference (Big XII) and joining a conference (Big East) that could be dead in 2 years.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 3, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Uteanymous said:

    ""The other school the Big East is speaking with is San Diego St."

    Cite your source.

    Of course you don't have one, so you should have gone with Portland State, at least you might have appeared to have an "inside" source."

    CBS Sportsline, KLSD Radio.
    Go back to your green jello.

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 3, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    I don't see BYU receiving an invite to Big East especially with the football schedule we are playing as an independent. Realistically, beyond getting an invite from Big 12 conference (which has religious owned school in its conference, in Baylor University) its a mirage for any invite to a BCS conference for BYU. If BYU is emulating what Notre Dame did in football independence than schedule only games against teams from BCS conferences. That will raise the caliber of play by BYU and in turn raise revenues generated by football and demonstrate that BYU can play or compete with the best and be eligible to be in a BCS bowl as an indepdendent.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 3, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "The other school the Big East is speaking with is San Diego St."

    Cite your source.

    Of course you don't have one, so you should have gone with Portland State, at least you might have appeared to have an "inside" source.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 3, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    Why does the talk of BYU joining a conference always revolve around those that are failing?
    Don't BYU fans have higher goals for their team, like joining a stable conference perhaps.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 3, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    The other school the Big East is speaking with is San Diego St.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 3, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Phoenix, I'm pretty sure it's not the Fighting Hornets of Sacramento State, huh? :)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 3, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    The Idaho State Board of Education has given Boise State permission to pursue membership with the Big East Conference. The board voted 7-1 Thursday to give university president Bob Kustra the authority to move Boise State's football program out of the Mountain West Conference and into the Big East for the 2013 season.

    Boise State's entry into the Big East carries a critical caveat.

    Kustra told the state board -- and board members agreed -- that the formation of a Western division is essential to joining the conference. Kustra suggested that SMU, Houston, Air Force and one other western school could make up that division. He DECLINED to IDENTIFY any other western schools that ARE NOW IN TALKS with Big East officials.

    Even our resident doubting Thomas should be able to identify which other western school Kustra is talking about.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 3, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    @NavalOrange

    U still can't let it go can you?
    Do you have a bet against your house that BYU has never spoken to, had discussions with or been invited to, a BCS Conference?

    You have no idea with whom Tom Holmoe has spoken to nor any details therein.

    He has clearly indicated that he has been speaking with Conferences (plural) for months now.

    And just what do think they are discussing, Einstein?
    Green Jello vs Funeral Potatoes, for the next Relief Society gathering?

    Grow up. Your narratives have not been accurate for well over a year now.

    Rick Pitino said last week, that the Big East Commissioner has been in talks with 7 teams, including BYU, and has either visited or spoken with each school, Pitino then said "Go get all of them".

    If BYU remains Independent, it will be because they choose to protect their new found gains and are not willing to go back to the bad old days. 10 ESPN games is hard to beat.

    They'll decide what they want to do (your silly diatribes to the contrary). They are a Marketable National Brand, which 2 Conferences have indeed been interested in.

    Learn to live with it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    @Navy Boy

    Why the hatred? Why claim something you obviously have no knowledge of? Tom Holmoe and company will set you straight just like they did with the Big 12.

    You are so desperate... like your team?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Nov. 3, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Last week, the Big East visited Boise State and Air Force. But they did NOT visit the Y."

    Actually, Big East officials did visit BYU last week.

    In fact, the meeting was cordial and BYU officials listened intently to the Big East's presentation, but gave no indication whether BYU was interested in accepting a football-only invitation to the Big East.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 3, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    @naval lint

    You sure are desperate to claim no one ever talks to BYU ever. I happen to know for a fact that Big East officials did visit and talk to BYU officials during the last several days. BYU basicly told them no thanks.

    I find it amusing how desperate you are over all of this.

    LOL!

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Nov. 3, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Bluecat82 | 11:50 a.m. Nov. 2, 2011
    IF the Big East (or the Big 12...or really anybody else not named the Pac 12, since geography doesn't seem to matter anymore) needs to replace a school on very short notice (say, because of a lawsuit, perhaps), they know that BYU will still be there.

    The Cougars are, in essence, every conference's check down receiver.

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    end of discussion.

  • Uncle Gadianton Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 3, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    I remember hearing that the Mountain West will only allow "full" membership only (i.e., all sports, a member can't be independent or affiliate with another conference for football only). If that's true, Boise and Air Force will need to find another conference.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 3, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    TrueBlue:

    "BYU was visited by Big East officials last week"

    Not so. Last week, the Big East visited Boise State and Air Force. But they did NOT visit the Y.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 3, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Frankly, I think joining an AQ conference should be the least of BYU's concern at this point so I wish all this speculation would stop. I prefer that they concentrate first on winning, especially against tough competition that they are able to schedule as independence right now. Forget about BCS conferences, national championships, etc, etc. Just win guys, especially the big games on national tv. Do that and all else will fall into place. It makes no sense to keep talking about joining a BCS conference when we can't stop getting exposed and be humiliated on national tv. It's the not the kind of exposure I care to watch. We must first work to gain respect by winning against meaningful competition. Short of that, we'll still continue to be disrespected, mocked, and lambasted by those who hate us.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 3, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    Do the people writing the headlines read the articles? I'm not sure what to make of this.

  • sportsman101 salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 3, 2011 5:54 a.m.

    @vegasbart your unlv team is pretty relevant huh? LOL thats a joke just like that program. quit posing to be from vegas like your not a byu fan. just admit your a byu fan and you cant stand to see ANYONE talk about your little school it hurts your feelings huh?

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:59 p.m.

    The Deuce 10:33

    Have you looked at the 2013 schedule

    Home Games in place:
    Texas
    Boise State
    Georgia Tech
    Utah
    Away Games in Place
    Hawaii
    Utah State
    Notre Dame
    Houston

    Currently under consideration to Fill out schedule
    Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State

    I agree the first two years are terrible but it will be worth the wait and BYU is getting paid to play the cup cakes this year and next.

    Go independant Cougars

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    Yawwwwn. Oh, wait, there's a wolf in the sheep? Eh, give it a rest.

    BYU is not going anywhere until they are willing to play by the rules and be part of a conference. Not saying independence is necessarily bad for BYU, but if it does want to joint a conference, BYU is going to have to make some concessions and be a team player. Don't see that happening in the near future, and until then all this talk of being invited to this or that conference is meaningless.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    To: BYU Joe | 11:17 a.m. Nov. 2, 2011 MISSION VIEJO, CA - you made the following statement: "Maybe the feeling of joyful Infependence is due to being free from the clutches of the Mountain and all the second rate schools we used to live with. (no Utah I'm not talking about you - stop being so narcassitic)". Did you look at the schedule for this year's season before you made this statement? The schedule is not full of top-tier programs. Maybe it's time to rethink independence and look to a conference thatr can offer something other than playing Idaho State and the Univ. of Idaho.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    RedUte and all the others...

    Speaking of salt...

    Ha, ha. Your poor team has lost its savor hasn't it and the several of you just can't get enough of BYU? Well, that's understandable during these difficult Ute times.

    Tom Holmoe will be spilling the beans soon enough.

    Try as you will, BYU still relevant with or without a conference invite or association.

    1-4, yeehaw, that's the ticket to Pasadena.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    Another lame "bait" article and trolls and cougars continue to take the bait.

    BYU will not go BCS unless Notre Dame does the same.

    Recently Notre Dames coach stated that he was emphatic about staying independant, Why? Recruiting thats why.

    Athlon sports reported this week that Notre Dame is a big winner in recruiting specifically because they play nationwide, they are televised nationwide and thus they have success recruiting natiowide.

    This is a formula that will work for BYU as well.

    BYU and Notre Dame are partners in independance. Don't look for either to go BCS alone and don't waste your time looking for a BYU invite to a BCS conferance its not going to happen. Conferences do not invite unless they know the invite will be accepted and accepting such is not the best long term for BYU football.

    Forget this BCS garbage. What are the Cougars talking to the Big 12 and Big East about? November games thats what.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    "What happens to the BYU psyche if the Big East expands and never even offers an invite? Talk about salt in the wound."

    The question will be whether or not the Big East media partners are willing to allow BYU to televise all games not picked up by the conference's TV contract. I also think that BYU will come in with some lofty demands for No. of games televised through the conference's contract.

    Much like the Big 12, if these demands aren't met there will be no deal to be had. The only reason this seems more likely it's it's for football only and Sunday play is not an issue.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 2, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife | 8:25 p.m. Nov. 2, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "why dont you win a football game worth talkin about then you can claim yourself as a half decent program"

    The irony is too much! The only game Utah has won that is worth talking about is... BYU. So, are we worth talking about, or not?

    As long as SOMEONE says SOMETHING about BYU joining a BCS conference, the DN will wrap an article around it, I'll read it, to see if anything has changed (it hasn't). This much is understandable. The really puzzling part is - why oh why do Ute fans read them? And then comment? That is truly funny, as in borderline worthy of medication.

    What are the secrets of negotiation? I don't pretend to know them for real, but seems to me Not Being Desperate is one of them. Not Publicly Tipping Your Hand probably ranks up there. I am content to let the BYU team negotiate in secret, and amused to read the idle speculation by the haters and the paranoid.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    The best for the Y is to stay indy. They schedule many bcs schools, which will end with the death of the bcs. Two years, you can see the cracks in the system right now. You have so many schools that are willing to belong and get a check from the conferences for being the doormat and providing the other schools "quality" wins. Remember that to loose to a bcs team does not count against the looser because it is a quality team.

    Look at the u, all of their fans don't worry about loosing all of the pac10.2 games because they belong. $$$ coming in from the conference after taking two years of beating. Will they be still there after two?

    The money the y has coming is not dependant on any conference ok or voting. They are the captain of their ship and will inform the public when necessary. Being confident and in control drives the insecure crazy.

    As to u fans, the y will never be equal because while the u is loosing all of those games(quality loss's) the y will be winning, weak teams? You take it for what it is worth.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 2, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    Just an opinion, but BYU would sacrifice some its values by joining a conference. They made several agreements.- For example, TCU broke it's word by leaving the Big East. For me, it's better to keep your word than jump ship as they did.

    There must be integrity when developing sport programs.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    I hear BYU is joining the WAC, they already have five of their teams on the schedule it seems so let's just complete the set and win a conference trophy.

  • VegasBart N. Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 2, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    We're watching things down here in Vegas. Not sure what's best for Brigham Young, but the notion that the MWC is on the skids is quite true. But Utah fans, quit talking about who is relevant and who isn't. I've checked your football, soccer, & volleyball scores, and I see nothing that makes us think that you are even remotely relevent.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    @midpacmajor no whats really hilarious is listening to all you delusional byu fans think you know everything and actually thinking your relevant. the only reason ppl come on these boards outside of delusional byu fans is to make fun of you for how ignorant you sound with ANYTHING that has to do with football at all. why dont you win a football game worth talkin about then you can claim yourself as a half decent program

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin | 3:40 p.m. Nov. 2, 2011

    They are all part of the same non-profit conglomerate. So does it really matter?

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Nov. 2, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    What happens to the BYU psyche if the Big East expands and never even offers an invite? Talk about salt in the wound.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 2, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    Big east is it. In the Big 12 BYU is a dorrmat like Utah in the PAC 12. In the Big East the west division would rul the day with Houston, Boise, and BYU. Stay put in the WCC with other sports but play some home and away rotations with Big East B-ball schools. 3-4 a year sounds about right. HUGE exposure to voters on the polls which come primarily from the east coast. Huge markets wondering how BYU did this week as they might play them in a championship game and share the same conferance. TV contract will be bigger by a few million than their current ESPN contract. Set schedule with old rivals (AF) and new rivals (BSU,Houston). Markets include Dallas, Houston, and the massive east Coast markets. Much better then Ames Iowa, Manhattan Kansas. or even OK City. This is win win for BYU. Big east starts own network for 3rd tier games and with coast to coast teams get coast to coast coverage. Every game would be on tier 1 (ESPN), tier 2 (regional fox channel with nationwide coverage)or BE network (again nationwide coverage except maybe west coast) Do it BYU, PLEASE!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    Dave S

    "Just wondering how it feels to be so wanted and loved??"

    Why, are you feeling unwanted and unloved?

    Suggestion: Get off the couch, go upstairs, and give your mom a hug.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 2, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Frankly my dear I don't care that I'm not wanted by the wacky-12, the lonestar10, the bigwash10, the sec the acc and perhaps the big east..... We of ourselves have told people we don't want them..... We ditched the whacky wac and the mediocre and falling mountain west. Leaving the wac and MWC was the best things ever done. Craig Thompson is a failure. His network is crap and his teams, well, even with conference USA coming into the picture aren't all that good. Just cuz of numbers doesn't mean an auto bid. The people of CUSA and MWC are fools if they think 30 teams of blah will get them any more than they have today. Notice how the big east is intentionally taking all the teams of merit from those two lousy conferences? It is okay not to be wanted. We just want to play football and we don't care who it is against. If it is included among the pride and vain things of the world fine. If not, even the Master himself was content in his circle of friends.

  • Oklahoma Cougar Mustang, OK
    Nov. 2, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    @ patriot 12h29pm

    Let me see if I can get this straight about the BYU-Boise State comparison. For almost as long as I can remember, BYU has scheduled 2-3 teams from BCS conferences each season. Over the years, they have played just about every major team in the USA-some several times to include: USC, Notre Dame, Florida State, Texas, UCLA, Washington, Georgia, Miami, Boston College, Virginia, Syracuse, Texas A&M, Stanford, Wisconsin, Arizona, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Cal, Alabama, Houston, Penn State, Kansas State, Iowa, Pitt, Colorado, Oregon State, Georgia Tech, Oregon, etc. They have won a few and lost a few, but always aggressively scheduled against top teams.

    On the other hand, Boise State has averaged approximately one BCS opponent each year for the past decade (not counting BCS opponents in bowl games). For example, Georgia is their only BCS opponent this year, last year they had both Virginia Tech and Oregon State. In prior seasons, they have played both Oregon and Washington as their only BCS opponent. 2005 they played UGA and OregonState and lost both.

    BYU played 4 BCS teams 2011 and have 5 in 2012.

    Personally like BSU, but hard to compare schedules with BYU.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    Just wondering how it feels to be so wanted and loved??

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    Everything is contingent upon...

    -No Sunday play (no problem for Football only)

    -Exposure
    (ESPN contract will need to be preserved in some way...10 ESPN games this year)

    -Same Day Game Replays
    (Fans all over the Country and Internationally demand this)

    If these conditions can be met, then it is a no brainer.

    Advantages...

    -Built in schedule
    w/ Boise St., Air Force, Houston, SMU, Louisville

    and cross over games

    w/UConn, Navy, UCF, S. Florida, Cincinatti, Rutgers

    November schedule instantly improves

    -League Championship game in Yankee or Jerry's Stadium.

    BYU can still play 3-4 non-league games a year, Notre Dame, Texas, Utah, Georgia Tech etc.

    With a Western Division, Travel is not bad at all.

    Exposure in the Eastern Time Zone. Unmatched.

    BCS access with a "realistic chance" of playing in a BCS Bowl now and again.

    2nd, 3rd, and 4th place bowls are better as well.

    This is the Ideal, Football only, all other Sports stay in the WCC which is where BYU really fits, with perhaps the exception of B-ball, and even that is not bad at all.

    Let's hope this is not a Tuloane moment for BYU.

    (Tulane voluntarily withdrew from the SEC).

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    I know I tease about BYU and everything... But in all reality BYU fans deserve Holmoe coming out publicly and telling the BYU fans what is going on with the conference realignment, what is their plans, do they want to stay indy etc. If Utah was in BYUs situation it would be driving me crazy that nothing is being said. BYU fans deserve an explanation.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    I used to listen to Rome in the early 90's when he was just on in San Diego but I cannot claim an education in smack from the "Huge One" as he called himself back then.

    This whole alignment thing has us all crazy with a desire for acceptance and our need to feed the hope that we will again win a National Championship. In many ways that 1984 NC was the best and worst thing that every happened to Cougar football (Beside Sean Covey, Ben Olson and Harvey Unga not being here last year)

    We forever will feel that we must get back to the Championship Game or else we are complete failures. The moment we lose a game the whole season is a wash and we start looking to next year.

    It a desire for acceptance on a lot of levels - and we if we can't get it from others we will make it up ourselves. I love that about BYU but it also drives me to the bottle. Okay maybe not "the" bottle but I am considering it if we don't get this thing finished soon.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    There's nothing more hillarious than BYU-obsessed Utah trolls spamming BYU blogs with juvenile claims that BYU is irrelevant. If BYU was sooooo irrelevant, none of U would even be reading this article, let alone commenting on it.

  • stgjazzfan Saint George, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    BYU, ND, Navy, Army and AF need to make there own Indy Conf. Football only.
    they can let ESPN do all the negotiating, problem solved. BCS access threw the ND option. They all play each other every year, making a great schedule..

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    BYU fans just need to be patient. It'll all work out in the end; potentially much better than many are speculating.

    For a more detailed discussion of why the Door to the Big East is Wide Open for BYU, including references, and why BYU hasn't walked through that door, yet, see PlanetBYU.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    BYU Joe, your post sounded a lot like something I would hear on the Jim Rome Show in the Jungle. Are you an avid fan of his show? Did you receive training from the smack that is daily pushed through that show? 3 Thumbs up!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    @Truth Machine

    I'm making fun of the Deseret News, not BYU. Reading comprehension please!

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    @b c noone is pretending byu is irrelevant they showed the world how irrelevant they are all on their own last game.

  • SanDiegoUte SAN DIEGO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    As a Ute fan I can honestly say that I for one, hope for an eventual BYU AQ conference invite. I would hate to see the state of Utah lose a storied program like the Cougars to a slow fade into obscurity through a failed bid for independence.
    That said, I wish BYU and TCU would've cooled their jets and waited for a full season in the MWC to unfold. IMHO, the Big East would have folded and the MWC would be poised to pick up their AQ status. I could then watch Boise and BYU play the Aztecs here every other year.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    patriot

    "all this talk is just speculation without any substance... just ask Holmoe"

    You pretend to be such an authority, but in reality your speculation is no more substantive that the thousands of other fans out their speculating.

    Here's what's really going on:

    --Holmoe and BYU's administration are keenly aware of how the college football landscape is changing and the potential long term impact those changes could have on the BYU football program
    --BYU has been involved in discussions with the Big 12 for months
    --BYU was visited by Big East officials last week
    --The fact that an official invitation to join the Big 12 or the Big East hasn't been extended to BYU, yet, has nothing to do with not being wanted, but everything to do with BYU being unwilling to just roll over and accept an invitation that isn't in BYU's best interests

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Joining the big east is not attractive enough for BYU to leave independence and join. The big12 was iffy for that matter. Yes the big east wanted BYU for this western division, boise and air force were pushing very hard, BYU said no. Haters and insecure BYU fans can believe what they want but that is what's happened here. I understand the haters desperately scanning these articles daily, praying for BYU to not join one of these conferences because their self worth as a fanbase is for utah to be in a bcs conference and BYU not to be.

    What I don't understand is the paranoid BYU fans who think BYU has to join one of these conferences. They don't. Period. The only way they ever will is if they can get everything they want in the way of concessions. If not they are better off independent and will remain independent.

    The facts are BYU is where they choose to be. What they are getting is better than any of the scenarios that have been speculated about. It is better than the big 12, it is better than the big east. Haters and paranoids don't get it. BYU does.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Bulletin:

    BYU just became irrelevant!

  • whitingnick Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    This is an interesting idea; at first I thought there was NO WAY I'd want to see BYU join the Big East-- but if the Big East were to keep it's automatic bid, and not die with further conference expansion, it might be something serious to look at.
    It's a much easier road to a BCS game through the Big East than the Big 12. But with the way conferences are moving to 16 teams and an eventual playoff, I don't know that the Big East will even exist in the next 5 years.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    re:Ufan

    I actually think it would be great if the Y were to get invited and join the BIG 12 conference - great for the Y , the U and the entire state. However, all this talk is just speculation without any substance... just ask Holmoe. As I said - I personally think it is a long short for Y to get an invite. If there was interest in the Y something would have happened already. Instead - the U goes to the Pac 12 and TCU goes to the BIG 12. Now the BIG East is adding Airforce and others. Soon the door will be shut and the Y will still be independent with no BCS conference.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 2, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence, that would be Boston...

    Oh, wait...the Boston Globe mentioned the possibility of BYU to the Big East a few days ago, didn't they?

    Eastport, Maine, perhaps? :)

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    "Big East Expanding buy BYU Staying Put."

    Do they really have a choice?

  • jazzbball Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    what an odd title. Where did BYU say they were staying put?

  • B C Park City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    RedUte

    "Honestly, the discusson as to where BYU is heading is a joke."

    Then why are you discussing it? The real joke is BYU-obsessed haters, trying to pretend that BYU is irrelevant.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Patriot

    "I have to wonder who keeps seeding the rumor mill with all these conference alignment talks about BYU. BYU isn't going anywhere - no one is interested in adding BYU and BYU isn't interested in joining."

    I have to wonder why there are so many insecure Utah fans who feel so threatened by the meer mention of BYU joining a BCS conference. You're full of hyperbole, but empty of substance.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    Daily insecure little brother troll spam... check.

    Find something more useful to do.

  • RedUte MAPLE VALLEY, WA
    Nov. 2, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Honestly, the discusson as to where BYU is heading is a joke. I think it is fairly clear, except to BYU, that their program is neither desired or respected by many conferences. BYU's temper tantrum last year over Utah's move to the Pac 12 showed many that they are too much of a pre-madonna to effectively add much value to any conference. Had BYU played it's cards right and been humble over the years, I do think they would have had a much greater chance at being included in the current conference realignment. Unfortunately, their "Hollier than Though" attitude has put their atheltic program in ruins.
    So be it.

  • sly_spy Oceanside, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    I really hope that BYU would NOT turn down an offer from the Big East. I know that we all wish that the Big 12 had asked us to join. But they didn't. What are we going to do. Sit home and cry? No! We go to a BCS conference and play well! We show that they made a mistake.

    Bottom line.. being in the Big East would be the best of our options right now. It beats being indy. It also gives us leverage to negotiate with the Big 12 some day if we do well there.

  • relientk Lindon, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    BYU is better off waiting as an Indy rather than joining the sure-to-fail (way to) Big East

  • ImaCaMan Redlands, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:54 p.m.

    Read any of the East Coast newspapers; BYU is never mentioned in any of the expansion articles. This is only a local driven news item that on a daily basis teases the fans.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    CougarKeith,

    Woah, buddy, Boise and Hawaii are the only two in that group to ever play in BCS games and Hawaii lost miserably. Boise by itself is not going to get a new conference BCS consideration. You're way too optimistic, if you think that conference would get a sniff from that BCS. Boise would have to keep playing like they are for another 4 or 5 years and one or two of the others would have to step it up as well.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    Cougar Keith:

    It is best to stop drinking the Kool-Aid or smoking whatever it is you smoke up in Roy. We are dying to get into a conference with Texas/Oklahoma and you are talking UTEP and Montana. I imagine Texas Tech will sign right up for that glorious "conference of champions" (note the small caps).

    As for the "decent schools" like Fresno and Utah State or the power house known as Eastern Washington - I almost have nothing to say except you make me want to be a Ute fan - and that's saying something because I won't allow any shade of red in my house (Christmas colors here are Gold, Green and Silver - red is of the devil)

    Yet your genius post makes me think I need to reconsider why Utes everywhere go nuts when some BYU fans open the old pie hole.

    Boise, Nevada, Fresno, Hawaii and BYU is worthy of an automatic bid? - Yeah to to the looney bin. Which is were I'm headed right now to get me own dome checked for damage caused by hitting my head against the computer screen.

    Please Tom Holmoe end this nightmare. Save me from this crazy world.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    BYU is very smart to not be anxious to jump quickly out of the Indy ship. In it's inagural year it's made it's mark in ratings. BYU is not floundering or dependent on share the revenue schemes.

    Conference realignment is not a good bet right now. Don't jump into sinking ships. BYU is secure for the next 8 years. Greed is rampant in the NCAA. No one will be happy for a long period of time.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    I have to wonder who keeps seeding the rumor mill with all these conference alignment talks about BYU. BYU isn't going anywhere - no one is interested in adding BYU and BYU isn't interested in joining. There may be speculators out there that keep these rumors going but until Tom Holmoe or the AD of the BIG 12 or BIG East or whatever makes an "OFFICAL" announcement about BYU being under strong consideration then this is all just hot air. Here are the reason why I think BYU will NOT be added to any BCS conference...

    1. BYU carries too much baggage. No sunday play, LOADS of lds mission considerations and exemptions, etc... Now they also have their own TV network to wrestle with.
    2. I think the BCS is headed for Sunday play in the near future.
    3. BYU's poor record against BCS schools doesn't help any. Compare Boise St. against BYU and you can see why Boise is always ranking high and is now probably headed to a BCS conference.

    I do think that BYU is in danger - if they stay independent - of not being able to compete money wise in the very near future.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Quite frankly, I like where BYU is right now. Why share revenue with a bunch of other teams? MWC feasted on BYU TV revenue, than regulated it. Oh, the breath of independence!

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    I would much rather be in the Big East-West conference with a chance to play for a BCS bowl every year and make bank in television revenue than to endure another year of this Independence experiment. Bronco said it himself, he wants BCS access. Its not as cool as the Big 12 or the Pac 12, but hey, its better than the MWC or playing WAC teams every November in Independence. I don't think the Big East will lose it AQ status, where would it go? Not the MWC or C-USA. There would be too much fallout from the eastern media and sports market.

    Just my opinion.

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Nov. 2, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    Thanks for the breaking news update, DesNews.

    In other breaking news that is BYU related: BYU won't join the SEC yet. Also, BYU won't Join the Big XII yet. Uh oh.... wait a minute! This just in: BYU won't join the PAC 12 yet.

    Also, BYU is not planning to become a nation-unto-itself and announce secession from America, yet.

    Did I miss anything BYU related that hasn't happened yet? Stay tuned tomorrow....

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Gotta give two thumbs up to BYU Joe, for using the phrase "..you cold cruel woman" in his amusing post.

    The Big East would be a good deal - if the East Coast weren't 2,000 miles away! I hope Boise State doesn't join for the same reason.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Not sure why anyone's shocked at this...

    The Big East expects to still have Pitt, Syracuse, AND West Virginia for another 27 months...

    (as said elsewhere, though, "BOOM goes the lawsuit" regarding the Mountaineers...stay tuned on that one, kids...)

    IF the Big East (or the Big 12...or really anybody else not named the Pac 12, since geography doesn't seem to matter anymore) needs to replace a school on very short notice (say, because of a lawsuit, perhaps), they know that BYU will still be there.

    The Cougars are, in essence, every conference's check down receiver.

    Sort of like the nice guy/girl that's always available for the prom.

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    I think BYU should hold out for the Big XII myself! The Big East is a Dying Conference and will be the leftovers of Conference USA and the Shafted Schools of Craig Thompson in the Mountain West Conference! That is what they will be! Boise is getting shafted not including all their sports! They need to talk to BYU about forming ANOTHER Conference! They could get a lot of decent schools, like Fresno, Nevada, Hawaii, Utah State, Texas El Paso, maybe steal a TEXAS TECH, bring in Montana and an Eastern Washington and potentially Weber State? Make it 12 teams and no Sunday Play? They could really put something together good! Boise, Fresno, Nevada, Hawaii, & BYU is worthy of an automatic bid!!!

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    I've just looked at almost every newspaper where a Big East school sits and none of them mention BYU as a condidate for the Big East. Beyond the named 6, it appears that Memphis and Temple are next in line. Remember, the Big East is really a basketball conference. I think, even with Boise, it could lose it AQ status and no one get it. The other 5 conferences will just add it to their numbers. This is about money.

  • Jonphone Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Who cares? The mass speculation of where BYU will end up is getting as rediculous as ''The Decision". For crying out loud, call up the local YMCA and hold a press conference informing us where you're going to "take your talents"! Until then let the speculation stop. Report news, not pure speculation. We've got Chris Brussard via ESPN for that garage.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    will somebody please draft us?! please!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Daily Deseret News rumor-mongering article regarding BYU going to a BCS conference....check.

    See you tomorrow, November 3rd.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Why torture me with the daily reports of nothing. It's like asking a hot girl out on a date and havIng her keep saying I'd love to go but let me check my scheduale. Just tell us one way or the other you cold cruel woman. Yes or no but this "let me check my scheduale" nonsense is making me crazy and feel like I need to climb the Carillion Bell Tower to exact revenge.

    Is it us that does not want to play in a BCS league. Maybe we just can't stand the word "Big" in front of a league we are invited to join.

    Maybe the feeling of joyful Infependence is due to being free from the clutches of the Mountain and all the second rate schools we used to live with. (no Utah I'm not talking about you - stop being so narcassitic).

    I don't care why I just need this to stop so I can go back to reading the Church News and reports on the Romney campaign instead of daily therapy here in the comment section.

    "I'm joe and I'm an realignment addict"

    "hi joe"

    It helps to keep admitting it.

  • hewgs SOMERVILLE, MA
    Nov. 2, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    Why is the title of this article so misleading? I thought by the title that there had been discussions but BYU is not interested. That doesn't seem to be the case though.

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    Nov. 2, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    BYU needs a satellite location in NYC or Boston. BYU-B could definitely be in the Big East.