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Published: Monday, Oct. 31 2011 5:42 p.m. MDT

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Northern
Logan, UT

To all the haters- its freedom OF religion..... Not freedom FROM religion.

Joggle
Clearfield, UT

@Northern

Can we count you among the "haters"?

AGAIN....Too often....many people seem to have a flawed understanding of what freedom from religion really entails and fail to realize that freedom from religion is crucial to religious liberty in general. It is evident that a person misunderstands the concept of freedom from religion when they say that promotion of the idea is part of an effort to eliminate religion from the public square, to secularize America, or to deny religious believers a voice in politics. None of this follows from a belief that people have a right to be free from religion. Freedom from religion isn't a demand that religious beliefs never be expressed, but rather that they not be endorsed by the government; it's not a demand that religious believers never voice an opinion, but rather that they not have a privileged status in public debates; it's not a demand that religious values never have any public impact, but rather that no laws be based on religious doctrines without the existence of a secular purpose and basis.

Educate yourself, please!

Big Hapa
Kaysville, UT

This is not separation of church and state it is separation from common decency and respect of the fallen who have sacrificed there all for the common good.

When courage, honor , duty are sacrificed in vain and are replaced with self denial and our puny humanistic self worship we become dust and fodder for the wind.

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Moderate

You are correct about the shape of the headstones at Arlington. However, you will notice that they have crosses etched into them on many headstones. Also, there are several great, big crosses in the cemetery as well. In fact, the Kennedy's have crosses on their tombstones.

The point is that first amendment was is being abused by atheists. It says congress shall make no law establishing religion or the free exercise thereof. There is actually nothing in the Constitution that says the words, "separation of church and state." And I would doubt that Thomas Jefferson would have objected to the individual states deciding to honor their fallen dead with a universal religious symbol like the cross.

What a fantastic legacy the American Atheists will have.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

It's good to see all the legal scholars who think they know more knowledgeable than the Federal Court of Appeals as well as the US Supreme Court. I'm sure you had the same views of these courts when they said the Corporations are the same as people, right?

Mark E. Towner
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Has anyone suggested they use UHP shields not crosses. 12 Post with the UHP shield number of the fallen officer. That would solve everything. The UHP badge has no religious connection, and it would still honor the fallen officers.

Maybe somebody could suggest this to somebody, make the changes and get on with life.

Mark Towner

Wanda
Salt Lake City, UT

It is just so sad that people are quibbling endlessly about something well-intentioned to honor fallen Highway Patrol officers. I seriously doubt that those who chose this symbol did so just to irritate athesists - get over yourself. The only people who could legitimately complain about this would be the families of officers. The silence is deafening.

sammyg
Springville, UT

We are a nation becoming ripe with iniquity.

Each little atheist and radical religious step is making a difference in our world isn't it?

byu rugby
Crystal Lake, IL

Atheist activists have nothing better to do? The Holiday season must drive them absolutely batty!

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

After reading the above letters, the crosses must not symbolize christianity but a call to arms for conservatives for civil war. I doubt Jesus would want the in your face fighting words associated with religious symbols or Caesar enforcing them as an in your face display of government power.

Richard Votaw
Sandy, UT

Where in the consitution does it say "Freedome FROM religion?"

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I want a question from all you "people" who are against the crosses. Just exactly how does a well known grave symbol, found in many public and military cemetaries violate your constitutional rights? Please answer for me because most of your posts are just grinding an axe because you don't like something. Quantify just how it violates your rights.

PAC
Phoenix, AZ

I think people are not very nice anymore...What does it hurt? Does the cross really hurt anyone or does everyone hate life so bad that they want to hurt everyone else? I think it is a sad day in Utah and America.

Charlemagne
Salt Lake City, Utah

This ruling brings to mind a quote from President Andrew Jackson;"The Supreme Court has made its ruling now let them enforce it!"

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I am not Catholic or mainstream Protestant. A cross is not a religious symbol for me. I am not in the least bothered or threatened by a religious symbol for another religion or culture.

It is a big wide world out there and there is a lot of diversity out there and we are going to do better looking for the common ground rather than trying to focus on what divides us.

In Saudi Arabia and in India there are groups that are similar to the ACLU and to the American Atheists. They are very sensitive to anything remotvely hinting at Christianity. They don't even like stores to sell flowers on Valentine's Day because of the "Saint" in Saint Valentine's Day.

I think that they should just relax. A little diversity never hurt anyone.

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

@ Big Hapa in Kaysville--- You are so right in your comments. I couldn't agree more....

I support the UHP Association and what they have done to remember those that have fallen in the line of duty. I have valued seeing the crosses as I've driven around our state. It not only serves as a reminder of the valiant troopers but to me is a reminder of all that have served and still serve us to maintain our safety and freedoms.

Thanks to all that wear that badge.

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

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oldrunner
Ogden, UT

Put it up on private land and be still about it. Someones death is not a political statement. And PLEASE, don't waist any more tax payer dollars on this sort of thing. We don't have it to pay.

The Atheist
Provo, UT

We are tired of being bullied by people such as Randy Forbes of Virginia.

Rep Randy Forbes of Virginia is a hyper-conservative-religious fanatic who has, among other things, sponsored legislation to: 
 
- officially designate the United States as a Judeo-Christian nation (making non-Jews and non-Christians second-class citizens)
 
- officially declare that "the Holy Bible is Gods Word" (forget all the self-contradictory nonsense, genocide, racism, sexism, etc. in the book. And forget the Qu'ran, the Book of Mormon, and all other "words of god").

- officially declare religion a prerequisite for freedom and reject "the notion that the laws and Constitution of the United States require the exclusion of God from matters of government" (You can't be "free" unless you believe?)
 
- prevent the IRS from assisting the federal government in an "invasion into the health care lives of American citizens" (So fanatic religious parents can use prayer and superstition on their kids instead of getting proper medical care?)

- officially declare that religion forms "the inseparable foundation for Americas representative processes, legal systems, and societal structures" (A religious test.)

Religious fanatics are spitting in the faces of a quarter or more of US citizens!

Virgil
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Mark Towner "UHP badge has no religious connection, and it would still honor the fallen officers."

Until somebody realizes that the Beehive is an old Mormon religious symbol...

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