Please no! After Saturday's performance it's very clear this team/program is
not ready for high-level football on a weekly basis. 1) There is no fire
in this mature offensive line.2) Special teams continues to be an issue on
a weekly basis. From kickoffs out of bounds, to 20yd punts, to off target
hikes. Every week is something new.3) Coaching staff continues to have
clock management issues. 4) Turnovers continue to plague this team. Poor
decisions, poor coaching.Stick with the Indy status and continue to
ride the ESPN gravy train until they choose to bolt to someone else. Lesser
known recruites at other organizations continue to eat our lunch on a weekly
Can someone please tell Tom Holmoe that the whole Bronco thing isn't working out
any longer? Should have never signed him to a 3 yr contract. Mendenahall is not
an elite coach, never will be and never was. I know BYU will probably not be
able to get an elite coach, but I'd like to itleast have a coach with common
sense. 1) Please kick a FG when it's 4th down. We need points! Bringing in
Matt Marshall to throw a pass on 4th and 3 was just ridiculous. Bring in the
first team offense and go for it and give yourself a better chance if you are
going to go for it on 4th down.2.) two huge blunders before the
half. Down 21-10, and with Nelson just getting lambasted on 2nd down and
throwing the ball up for grabs with under a minute to go in the half, we decided
to throw it on 3rd down instead of run the ball and run out the clock and only
be down by 11. Instead-Incomplete, punt the ball, good return and they score
before half. Bad coaching in critical situations. The field goal at the
BYU will not join the Big East or Big 12 for that matter. Their schedule in
comming years is getting stronger as quality teams open spots to be televised
nationally and their ratings on ESPN have surpassed all expectations.
Leftovers. Lol! I will laugh when the big least loses the bcs bid and the real
bcs conferences are given another auto bid. And for thosw cougar fans who are
excited about a strong schedule, it doesn't matter when you lose to every team
with a winning record! Who was the last good team you beat? Lol!
Until BYU can beat a BCS team, they shouldn't be looking to join a BCS
conference...they have already lost to three BCS teams this year on national TV.
Just can't get any BCS respect when you lose on a national stage.
Actually, I think it is a wonderful idea. If they can go football only and have
a regional rival with BSU and leave all their other sports in the WCC they can
still be playing all over the country and get the desired exposure they like.
I like it.
I hate to tell you "Weber State Graduate" but BYU has already beat 2
BCS teams this year.
Einstein saying that 3 BCS losses you must be thinking of your utes. or maybe
your mind is just clouded over because the wildcats are so terrible this season.
But, Ole Miss is a W... Utah is an L and so what. Texas is a L by a mere point.
TCU is not a 2011 BCS school.
Chris B, Just because the Utes beat at home a 2-5 Beaver team
doesn't mean you can come out of your shell.
Hmmm. I'm not sure whether BYU would join this conference or not. The only
thing they have going for them is they are an AQ (for now).
Stay away from this loser conference post haste.
At first glance, I thought this was a bad idea. However, if the Big East (or
whatever it comes to be called) remains an AQ conference, it's not a bad idea.
Isn't this kind of what BYU was trying to do when they were trying to resurrect
the WAC a year and half ago? The Big East isn't that strong a
football conference. It's respectable, but not impossible. The conference
championship would probably come down to the winner of the BYU/BSU game each
year. (I can't think of anyone that strong in the East.) BYU might
end up in a better position to go to a BCS bowl game/national championship than
Utah. (Utah isn't going for a LONG time, by the way. They don't have any QB
Wherever they end up, please tell Roland Nelson to quit waving the ball around
in the air as he's being tackled.
"I hate to tell you "Weber State Graduate" but BYU has already
beat 2 BCS teams this year." I hate to tell you TheCrow but Im
not so sure I would be quick to point that out...all things considering.Ole Miss (2-6)Oregon State (2-6)
Concerning Collie. Amazing what the best QB in football can do for those around
Daily Deseret News rumor-mongering article regarding BYU going to a BCS
conference....check.See you tomorrow, November 1st.
Pavalova | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 31, 2011 Surfers Paradise, AU---------You know you spelled pavlova wrong, don't you? Obviously not actually be from
Surfers Paradise. utahcountyute | 12:46 p.m. Oct. 31, 2011 Cedar Hills, UTConcerning Collie. Amazing what the best QB in football
can do for those around him.----------Uh, Peyton is out for the
season. Try to keep up.
Weber State Graduate Just can't admit to being so clueless about
BYU's BCS wins/losses can you?BYU is 2-2 versus BCS teams.Utah
is 2-4 versus BCS teams.Utah fans were going ga-ga on Saturday over
Utah's first PAC 12 win over OSU at home, the same team that BYU beat earlier on
the road.And #67 Pittsburgh isn't ranked much higher than #87 Ole
Agreed, Brave Sir Robin. Is there anybody out there that still cares about
rumors? call me when anything is signed in ink. Until then, I hope they remain
independent. As for all the other BYU haters who are saying to get
back with them when they beat a BCS team and then discounting the two wins they
have by saying, "Yeah. They beat 2 teams with losing records." I would
ask what the record is of Oregon State?How's that crow tasting for
all you posing as a "Ute fan" to hate on the Cougs? Nuff said....
Brave Sir Robin Daily jealous rant from a BYU-obsessed hater.
BYU will not go to the Big East. And if BYU doesn't go, Boise State won't
go.If Big 12 gets Notre Dame for all other sports, expect Big 12 to
pick up BYU as a football only member which is what BYU has been hoping for all
Jake2010 - is that the same Oregon State team that BYU fans keep spouting off
about beating a BCS opponent? Which is it? Either they are good and we both beat
them, or they are not good and you cannot use it to boast about your own
schedule and down play the Utes. Get a clue.
A1994..."The Big East isn't that strong a football conference. It's
respectable, but not impossible. The conference championship would probably come
down to the winner of the BYU/BSU game each year."Think about
what you are saying. If the Big East is looking to BSU and...well...byu for
it's legitimacy and even you can't think of anyone "that strong" in
the conference, do you really think that point is lost on the powers that be
(the BCS)? If what you say is true (and I think you are giving byu a lot of
unearned credit) then the days of the Big East as an AQ conference are severely
numbered. btw...the Utes have tremendous qb prospects. Further,
they already know what it takes to get to a BCS game. For example, an
invitation to the BCS has to be earned...a lesson that byu and its fans still
need to learn. There are no entitlements.
BYU should stay away from the Big East.BYU needs to follow Notre
Dame's plan and make rivalries. ND has them with USC, Michigan, Michigan State,
Purdue, etc.BYU needs teams they can count on playing every year
like Notre Dame does. It would help BYU scheduling so much.BYU
already will be playing Hawaii and Boise State through 2023 every year. I would
like to see BYU play these schools every single year:Georgia Tech -
helps exposure in the South; a lot of BYU alum in AtlantaWashington -
northwest exposure, recruitting, a lot of alum in the NWAir Force - can
become a healthy rivalryNotre Dame - both independents, private
universitiesHawaii - build up the pipline between the islands and Provo;
helps recruittingBoise State - should have become a rivalry a long time
agoTCU or Houston - trips to Texas will help recruiting UCLA or USC
- recrutting in So Cal, a ton of alum and moroms in So Cal
@ Portland Trail Blazers | 2:37 p.m. Oct. 31, 2011 Sandy, UT "a ton of alum and moroms in So Cal"What is a morom?
"btw...the Utes have tremendous qb prospects."who? untried
high school players who may or may not turn out to be decent college QBs"Further, they already know what it takes to get to a BCS
game."Get lucky with a weak schedule or get lucky playing all
of your toughest games at home - the PAC 12 gift-wrapped a trip to the PAC 12
championship for the Utes this year, and Utah still failed miserably, 1-4."For example, an invitation to the BCS has to be earned...a lesson
that BYU and its fans still need to learn. There are no entitlements."So does respect as a member of a BCS conference. Something Utah fans
still need to learn. There are no entitlements to respect just because you're in
a BCS conference.
54-10,How that Pac 12 working out?1-4 for footballbasketball picked last in Pac 12Talk about a athletic
program on the rise for the Mighty Utes.......
New conference - "The little west"BYU Snow College Dixie
State SUU .... and more to come!
Re: Hatch @ 10:28. You wrote "... their ratings on ESPN have
surpassed all expectations." Not trying to be picky, but interested in
your source, and please be specific, not somebody at ESPN said so, we can get
that from the local writers/columnists/bloggers. Thanks!
@Pavalova"After Saturday's performance it's very clear this
team/program is not ready for high-level football on a weekly basis. "The Big East does not have high-level football on a weekly basis.
Someone help me out here. Portland Trail Blazers used the word morom. What is
No one in a BCS conference will schedule BYU anytime after the first 5 weeks of
patriot Little brothers forced to use hyperbole to make themselves
feel better about how pathetic the Utes have been in their new conference.It's hillarious that the only "quality" win Utah has is the
win BYU gift-wrapped for them, yet, Utah fans spend their every waking whining
about how pathetic BYU is.
@portland Trail BlazersBasketball moved from MWC to WCCFootball moved from playing the MWC to playing the lower half of the WAC..Talk about an athletic program on the rise for the Mighty Cougars!!
"Is BYU part of Big East plans?"No.Next
Chris B,Laugh? You've got a twisted sense of humor. Go find a job.
Don't do it!The Big East offers no advantage or gain.Why
go to the Big East? It's the conference that is losing teams, not gaining teams.
The BCS bid will likely be withdrawn from the conference, so the Cougs would
basically be going back to the equivalent of the Mountain West Conference.And even if it is an option, I am sure the invitation is open for the
next 10 years. The Big East is desperate. Don't do anything now.Let
the independence thing settle and keep an eye on the Big 12 and the Pac 12. A
lot will continue to happen with this realignment.No need to move
Playing in the big east would be just like playing in the MWC except maybe a
better tv deal... If we can.. i say go for it... and for all you mouthy utes
fans... let me just ask.. how you doin in Pac 12 conference play? it looks like
you all stink just as bad as we do so lets tone down the trash and focus on our
own teams and our hopes of getting better...
Uteanymous "There are no entitlements to respect just because you're
in a BCS conference." Some specificity is necessary here. Respect among
conference teams, yes, you are correct. Respect outside the conference is
another matter entirely. byu fans are still spitting nails Utah's move.
LOL!!!!btw..."untried high school players who may or may not
turn out to be decent college QBs" is what every college program starts
with. Now, untried high school players who may or may not turn out to be decent
college QBs who arrange their own press conference in a bar to promise a
national championship to the team they select? Well...that's an honor for which
only byu has qualified. See the difference?
@Christy B"Daily jealous rant from a BYU-obsessed
hater."Yep, you got me pegged. There's so much about BYU's
situation to be jealous over. I can't decide what's got me most jealous: Being
an independent mid-major with no path to the BCS, playing a schedule that makes
Utah State's look tough, playing basketball in a 1-bid conference, or
desperately hoping to get invited to the Big Least.BYU athletics is
living the dream for sure...I would give my left arm for Utah to be in that
situation. *rolls eyes*
Here's an idea. DN Sports Reporters stop writing about BYU and conference
expansion. As a fan of BYU who is hopeful that the experiment with isolationism
- heretofore referred to as Independence - will soon end, the constant
prognostication of the DN Sports Reporters is worse than the team's performance,
if at all possible. This team has displayed an ineptitude not matched by any
other BYU team in recent memory, and during what has to be the worst possible
time in college sports with all of the expansion and realignment going on. So
please, Jeff, Dick, et al, give us a break and report on that pie in the sky
opportunity WHEN it actually HAPPENS. Until then, just the facts will do.
Brave Sir Robin If our jealous little brothers weren't so insecure,
they wouldn't feel compelled to spam every BYU article with their meaningless
drivel.The fact that you're here trolling another BYU article,
proves your insecurity.BYU will make the WCC a regular 2- or 3-bid
conference. What has pitiful bottom-dwelling Utah added to the Pac 12?
@CGNot insecure, just here to have a laugh at BYU's expense. It
sure is easy since BYU went independent and got even worse at football.
Oh Boys, Please join something fast or you are going to be the only Independent
in the Country. Big East, Big 12, Something!!!!!!!
Sports can really bring the greed out of people. A year ago, TCU was upset that
BYU would leave the MWC, and referred to it as dishonest. Since than, TCU has
jumped twice for greener pastures. They broke their agreement with the Big
East. Not a honest or Christian thing to do. Their cheerleaders have also
changed their attire, which doesn't represent a Christian school, but more of
the Dallas Cowboy girls. They were displayed more on the scoreboard than any
thing related to football. I would hope, BYU won't break it's
committment with the WCC. As a long time cougar fan, I would rather see them
drop sports all together than not keep its word.
Football needs to stay independent and let the basketball program to the Big
Boo. BYU. Stay where you're at. I'm tired of you thinking about switching. I'm a
BYU fan. but just stay where you are.
Brave Sir Robin Not insecure?Only a very insecure BCS
conference team fan would feel the need to spam an irrelevant, non-AQ team's
blog to try to drown the disparity of their own team's dismal 1-4 conference
Sure are a lot of Coug fans here saying that U fans are insecure.In
the long run, when it came time to settle who was better this year on the
field... BYU came up quite short. Six touchdowns plus of margin short.Everything else is opinion.. the only head-to-head fact is a 54-10 score.Try again next year.
"Just can't admit to being so clueless about BYU's BCS wins/losses can
you?BYU is 2-2 versus BCS teams.Utah is 2-4 versus BCS
teams."anti BCS, you mistake me for being a Utah fan. Your
above post only shows that both Utah and BYU haven't done well against BCS
teams. Regardles of how terrible Utah is doing, BYU's quest for BCS respect
won't come when they lose to BCS schools on the national stage.Fact
is...Texas, Utah, TCU equal 3 losses, not 2. Go ahead and argue that TCU is not
a BCS team, but they will be next year as members of the Big 12 and they have
played in a lot more BCS games than the Cougars.I actually like BYU,
but their fans are far removed from reality in terms of how good BYU really is
this year...they just aint that good (neither is Utah).
@Pac12Proud Well, you can't have it both ways. BYU and Utah have
the SAME PAC 12 record this year over the same team. You say Utah has proven
they can get to a BCS game. Great. BYU has just as much legitimacy. They have
won a National Championship. What's that you say? You can hang onto the past?
Well, have far back do we go?I'd sure love to know who Utah's QB
prospects are. If they have any, why are they sticking with Hayes? Trading out West Virginia and Syracuse for BYU and Boise State makes the Big
East as strong (if not stronger) than it was. It must kill Utah fans to see BYU
in the mix. You thought they would just be left behind? Are you nuts? BYU is
having a down year. But be realistic, BYU is every bit as much a BCS worthy
program as Utah is. To say otherwise is just ignorant of the facts and of
college football in general.
mornixuurYou're just fortunate that your big brother felt sorry for
you and threw U a 7-turnover fest bone or our little brothers wouldn't have a
single memorable moment from their first big boy conference season.
BYU has yet to beat a team with a higher Sagarin ranking than Montana State.
I love the smell of desperation in the morning. Byu played it's last card and
will be left out in the cold. It destroyed the original WAC due to it's
influence and bullying, and left the MWC in much the same manner- no one want's
this princess in thier conference. This is the beginning of the end competetive
sports at BYU.
A1994 said:"Well, you can't have it both ways. BYU and Utah
have the SAME PAC 12 record this year over the same team. You say Utah has
proven they can get to a BCS game. Great. BYU has just as much legitimacy. They
have won a National Championship. What's that you say? You can hang onto the
past? Well, have far back do we go?Trading out West Virginia and
Syracuse for BYU and Boise State makes the Big East as strong (if not stronger)
than it was. It must kill Utah fans to see BYU in the mix.....BYU is every bit
as much a BCS worthy program as Utah is. To say otherwise is just ignorant of
the facts and of college football in general."Same old song and
dance from fantasy land BYU fans. If your national title, supposed legitimacy
and supposed BCS worthy program meant anything. You would have been invited to a
power conference. Forty years of WAC supremacy proves that. So stop crying and
move on. To say otherwise is just ignorant of the facts and of college football
Good to see Collie isn't having problems from the concussions.
mighty mite said:"I love the smell of desperation in the
morning. Byu played it's last card and will be left out in the cold. It
destroyed the original WAC due to it's influence and bullying, and left the MWC
in much the same manner- no one want's this princess in thier conference. This
is the beginning of the end competetive sports at BYU."Sounds
like Texas. Doubt they wan't that kind of competition in the BIG12.
The better question is this: "Is the Big East part of BYU's plans?". I
am nearly certain the answer to this is "No", thus the answer to if
BYU is part of the Big East's plans is meaningless.
Weber State Graduate "Fact is...Texas, Utah, TCU equal 3
losses, not 2. Go ahead and argue that TCU is NOT a BCS team, but they will be
next year as members of the Big 12 and they have played in a lot more BCS games
than the Cougars."Nobody has to argue anything.Fact: Ole Miss, Texas, Utah and Oregon State ARE BCS teamsFact: TCU is
NOT a BCS teamNo matter how you slice it, BYU is 2-2 against BCS
teams this seasonFor all you know BYU, BSU, Air Force, Navy, SMU,
UCF, and Houston could all be BCS teams by this time next year, which would make
BYU's record against BCS teams 3-3, according to your twisted logic.
SoonerUte"BYU has yet to beat a team with a higher Sagarin
ranking than Montana State."And Utah hasn't beaten a team
ranked higher than BYU. Some juvenile fans are so blinded by their
hatred of BYU that they foolishly minimize the only quality win the Utes have
This comment board is funny. Can I add to the pot?@ BYU: How does it
feel being on the outside looking in?@ BYU fans: What team are you
watching that is "good"? I saw a team get creamed by TCU last weekend.
Nothin to pound your chests about right now, your special teams can't even kick
in bounds or catch a snap, so no room to talk.@ BYU fans: TCU may not be a
BCS team, but they sure humiliated you on national tv. If you can't beat a
non-BCS team, why the talk of joining a conference where you play quality BCS
opponents on a quality basis?@ BYU: How's this Independence
"exposure" thing working out for you? I thought you were already
claiming a National Championship before the season?@ Bronco: Smile once in
a while. (Last week doesn't count because the team you are coaching was
certainly something to be embarrassed of.)@ BYU fans: I hope someday is
occurs to you that you all talk a lot, all the hype is getting ridiculous when
in reality your team i crumbling and diminishing before your eyes. Why is it not
obvious to you?
Magic Happens @ 3:34A September 19th article in the New York Times
by Nate Silver explaines that BYU has a larger fan base than 27 BCS teams and
double that of Utah and TCU for that matter. ESPN has said they are
delighted with the ratings of BYU televised games. Their comments along these
lines areplentiful. That is good enough for BYU fans. BYU's agreement is
with ESPN so we value their opinion more than others not less. Think
independance Cougars. Think about an 18 year old kid trying to decide to play in
the PAC12 or BIG12 Or SEC or BIG10 or ACC...or play for BYU and play in
all these conferances and most all your games will be nationally televised. The
future is bright Cougars. Forget the BCS garbage.
BCS conferences don't care one whit whether BYU can play championship football
or not. Those who think otherwise had better realize the world isn't flat.
Conferences only care about getting fans in stadium seats and viewers on TV.Their obsession with money is so ingrained, however, that they are
willing to forgo BYU's ability to get fans for football, because they can't see
past BYU's Sunday play policy. As negative as certain narrow minded
local sports writers try to make it sound, it is easy for BYU to reject any
invitation from a conference that has no geographical connection to the Utah
area. Independence is just fine, thank you!
BYU has a bye this week. At least they wont lose-- but with that said, I am just
going to take even money in the the event they can find a way for a loss to
We are at war with Eurasia - no, we are at war with Eastasia (reference to 1984
and how the party keeps switching the war and everyone just accepts it, for
those of you who went to the U and don't read real books) I can take
it anymore - I need lithium - its as if I'm spinning round just trying to be
accepted yet now I find myself rejected and loving it - no wait I want into the
Big 12 because its cool again - but I thought it was dead. But it lives and is
better.No we're going to the Big East - except wait they are dying
now. Oh wait, we get to play Boise State in the East - but we just signed a
marriage contract to play them forever because they are our rivals. I thought
that was Utah - except didn't we just play them in September. So confused. Are we in a league with Air Force - maybe SDSU and UNLV can come. Are
we playing Hawaii. Is this the WAC? Where am I Alice. Quick click
my heels three times Dorothy - there's no place like home. But where is home -
not Kansas. Kool-aid anyone?
"For all you know BYU, BSU, Air Force, Navy, SMU, UCF, and Houston could
all be BCS teams by this time next year, which would make BYU's record against
BCS teams 3-3, according to your twisted logic."Uteanymous...such anger. Yes...it's possible that a few might become BCS
teams, but they are not now and TCU is officially in a BCS conference. But,
according to my twisted logic they are not yet a BCS team, even though they are
officially in a BCS conference. You see they still play in the MWC this year.
I'm wrong, TCU is not a BCS team...5, 4, 3, 2, 1...ta da! TCU is now a BCS team
next year!What does this have to do with the original message...if
the Cougars want BCS respect, they need to beat quality BCS opponents on the
At this point, all gossip. And the Examiner? A horrible free daily newspaper
with no credibility.
I don't believe that BYU is looking for respect. They have already earned that.
Some with a degree from Weber State on the other hand...
Weber State Graduate"What does this have to do with the
original message...if the Cougars want BCS respect, they need to beat quality
BCS opponents on the national stage?"The point is, your
original premise is flawed: "BCS respect" is NOT a requirement for
being invited to a BCS conference.Colorado has been a disaster for
years. Cincinnati, Louisville, and USF were all invited to a BCS conference long
before Utah. What sort of "BCS respect" do you think any of those
teams had? In 2009, the year immediately preceeding Utah's invitation to the
PAC 12, BYU's win over then #3-ranked Oklahoma on the national stage is far
bigger than anything Utah did to earn "BCS respect". BYU also
destroyed then #16 Oregon State in the Las Vegas Bowl the same year. BYU(11-2)
finished 2009 ranked #12 in both polls with a win over #18 Utah(10-3). In other words, BYU accomplished far more to earn "BCS respect" in
2009 than Utah accomplished.
Triple B, try to avoid the cheap shot at my degree and my university. Such silly
personal attacks don't represent BYU well...the university that claims to have
higher standards.BYU has all kinds of respect...they are a very
fine, respectable institution. However, "BCS" respect is a different
story. That precise respect won't come until they earn it, which means they must
win enough quality games to be invited to a BCS bowl and actually
"win" those BCS bowl games. At least Utah has previously met this
challenge by virtue of their BCS invites and BCS wins."BCS
respect" is NOT a requirement for being invited to a BCS
conference."Perhaps so, but it certainly doesnt help BYUs cause
by losing to quality BCS schools on the national stage. Why is this
such a difficult concept for many BYU fans to understand? Such reality is not a
ridicule against the school...it's a fact that most reasonable fans will admit
and something BYU can overcome by winning. Simply amazing how testy and far
removed from reality some BYU fans are.
Certainly entertaining to see this "INDEPENDENT" thing working out
nicely for BYU.Big East........did I just see BYU's travel budget
increase 10 fold?????
Traveling across country for every road game sure doesn't sound good for local
fans.The money, time isn't worth it for the average BYU fan.Stay Independent
until something better comes your way.
A list of observations:1. To those of you who are discounting Big
East football, note that they are currently rated #6. The MWC is #9 and the WAC
is #10.In the last 10 years, the MWC has been rated higher than the
Big East once, in 2004 (repeat after me, "Thank you, Utah"). The WAC
hasn't been rated higher than them - ever.As of today, the worst
team in the Big East is ranked #84 - the MWC has three teams much worse (ranked
145, 148, and 196), and the WAC has five teams ranked lower (#s 98, 99, 102,
130, and 146).2. Looking forward, since WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse
won't be in the Big East, traveling to the East Coast for conference games
doesn't make much sense. Don't do it Cougars and Broncos. 3.
Neither BYU or Utah have beaten a team that is worth bragging about.Utah's wins are against #55 (BYU), #67 (Pitt), #76 (Montana State), and #101
(Oregon State).BYU's wins are against #83 (UCF), #87 (Ole Miss), #99
(SJSU), #101 (Oregon State), #102 (Utah State), and #207 (Idaho State).Save your powder for next season, there's no point in arguing this year!
@Weber State Colllege GraduateApparently your College Education has
not taught you how to recognize a Phony Construct. And it has not taught you
basic logic, but it has taught you how to argue against a Strawman.BYU is more qualified to be considered a so called BCS school than 2/3 of the
schools which currently label themselves such.Utah was invited
because they were the last choice to get to 12, and BYU is a Faith Based
Institution.. And we are seeing that Utah ranks near dead last in
the Pac 10+ in just about every category.Academics
(10th) BYU would rank 6thFootball Stadium size (11th) BYU would rank
5thHistory "get serious" see BYU's Legacy Hall compare
to Utah's closetFootball attendance (11th) BYU would rank 3rdwins/losses Annual Athletic budget(12th)Endowment
(10th) BYU 3rdTV market (Utah sports are #3 in the
SLC market, BYU is #1) etc.You are fooling yourself if you
think this is based upon merit.Utah is a bottomfeeder tag along just
like Washington St.,Northwestern, Indiana, Duke, Rutgers, Baylor etc.This is about politics, not legacy, brand, tv markets, academics or anything
else. Your Superiority complex IsPhony
Bluto,You have clearly invested a lot of thought in this, but you
are missing a few key points:1. Bringing up Washington State,
Northwestern, Indiana, etc. doesn't add anything to this discussions since the
BCS conferences aren't considering UNINVITING any current members. They are
already in the "club." As a non-member, you don't get a say in club
membership.But since you brought up Washington State, remember that
they went to the Rose Bowl in 1998 and 2003, and have 4 AP Top Ten finishes in
the BCS era. BYU has zero.2. BYU has respectable football history,
but the history that most Cougar fans are understandably proud of is decades
old. BYU's National Championship game was played 27 years ago, and Detmer's
Heisman trophy was awarded in 1990. To many fans, neither meet the "what
have you done for me lately" criteria to merit discussion in 2011.3. Few if any of us know the real formula that the Pac-12 used to determine
who to invite and why not to invite a solid BYU program. But how does
discrediting a Utah program, that has beaten your Cougars in 7 of the last 10,
strengthen your argument?
Patriot said,"Uh, Peyton is out for the season. Try to keep
up"Uh, That is exactly my point. Point being, I
don't see any 100 yard games in his future anytime soon. Of course he won't get
another concussion either:)
Just read off the AP wire that Boise and Air Force were invited to the Big east
made but byu wasn't.Thats okay. You'll always have the WCC which I
've read (can't recall where? ROFL) that it is a superior hoops conference to
I am all in favor off BYU jointing a conference, but not just in football. All
of their teams need to be in the same conference.BYU needs a vision
which they don't have. If they did they would have done everything they could
to get into the Big 12. Being in the Big 12 is the place they need to be. This
conference is ideal for them, but not just in football, all sports, or none at
all.They also need to make football their number one priorty during
the season. Nothing should be more important than football during the season.
Wake up BYU* and do what all the big time programs do.
The question is not whether the Big East wants BYU. Reading articles all
accross the country, the answer to that question is Yes, they do.The
more important question is, does BYU want the Big East? And, what must
they give up in order to accept?You nervous Nellie Utah fans are
laughable. You continue to say nobody wants BYU and yet according to Holmoe they
have been negotiationg with Conferences (plural) for months.It's a
matter of what BYU has to give up.You see, unlike Utah, BYU has
"Assets" to negotiate.-ESPN contract-National
Network Games(10 this year)-Same day Replay rights -BYU-TV-Their own
Network Whether or not BYU is willing to part with some of these
Assets, is what is at play here.Utah fans "Naivete" on
this whole matter is to be expected.Utah joined the Pac 10, and good
for them. And they took whatever Commisioner Scott put on the table,
including no full revenue for 4 years. Why? Because they had no other choice.
BYU has hard choices (assets) to consider. By the way,
Colorado came in with full revenue sharing, Year One.
re: Bluto | 12:28 p.m. Nov. 1, 2011 Utah is a bottomfeeder tag along
just like Washington St.,Northwestern, Indiana, Duke, Rutgers, Baylor etc.Lumping the U in w/ the likes incredibly solid academic institutions
such as Duke, Northwestern, & Indiana? Interesting?So? BYU is
the Cal-Berkeley of the Mtn time zone; right?
re BYU Joe | 1:20 a.m. Nov. 1, 2011 "We are at war with Eurasia
- no, we are at war with Eastasia (reference to 1984 and how the party keeps
switching the war and everyone just accepts it, for those of you who went to the
U and don't read real books"Paraphrasing Animal Farm... All DN
posters are equal. Some DN posters (byu fans) are more equal than others. Is
LOL all you byu lovers are hilarious saying you have two bcs wins against two of
the worst teams in the bcs thats funny. and youre just going to keep playing the
oh utah just got its first win against an osu team "we already beat on the
road" haha yeah and they also put up 28 pts against your team. @anti
bcsdo you realize how clueless that makes you sound?? #67 and #87 and
youre saying pitt is barely ranked higher than ole miss??? thats like saying the
#1 team is barely ranked higher than the 20th ranked team hahahaha bigggg
difference buddy big difference. @jake2010until you beat somebody
with a winning record then YOU can talk. byu has one of the weakest schedules in
"Apparently your College Education has not taught you how to recognize a
Phony Construct. And it has not taught you basic logic, but it has taught you
how to argue against a Strawman."Bluto...that was a clever
insult. However, your personal attack provided a great example of a "straw
man" by attacking me and then proclaiming victory.By the way,
the correct term is "straw man" if you are interested in how to argue
using basic language rules.Folks, it's not rocket science...it's all
about winning and winning the big games earns respect from everyone, including
the BCS. If a team doesn't win, then TV markets, football attendance, football
stadium size, and athletic budgets all become problematic. It's as simple as
that and complaining about politics is another phony straw man.
Wally:You saw the movie I take it? And while that is a
good reference as well - it is not my point. Just three weeks ago the Big 12
was dead and unstable. Now it is the best in the land. Big Brother
changes everything every day and we all just follow along waiting for a scrape
of bread (info). And Ute fans love to get on the Pac 12 high horse
and look down at BYU - while BYU fans make silly arguments about U being bottom
dwellers. (yet just about every BYU fan would love to be in the Pac - can't
admit it but its true) But the truth is we would all be bored without each
other to beat upon. Imagine Grant without Lee or Patton without Rommel. What
you think that your new "rivalry" with Colorado is going to be this
much fun - So everything keeps switching around and we all just go
along - I'd rebel but I am afraid of rats.
All you BYU haters out there. I know that you have nothing better to do than
put down the cougars. I am sorry that your team has been an absolute flop in
the pac 12, but no need to take out your frustrations on the cougars. There is
still a chance you get to 500 in conference, a slim chance, but it is out there.
As for BYU to the big east... I don't think it is a good fit.. The conference
is called the big EAST which is somewhat of a demographical issue for BYU.
Besides there is a chance that the big 12 comes to there senses or maybe the pac
12 decides to rescend their offer to the most recent additions who can't seem to
survive the rigors of the brutality of a schedule that includes washington
state, Arizona, Colorado and UCLA. Heck I guess Utah belongs on that list to
given their succes thus far in conference.