Until the Unions, Acorn, and the Communists get out of the movement, I can't
@srh83: All in all Americans are a pretty laid back people. We'll put up with
just about any inconvenience, with a minimum of fuss, as long as we can go on
living our lives oblivious to the world around us. We don't care about who runs
our government or what they do with our tax money. We don't mind being virtually
strip searched before we get on an airplane. We'll pay $3.50 for a gallon of
gas. But when our ability to work a 9-5 and bring home enough to put a roof over
our heads and food in our mouths is threatened the time has come to speak up. We
all would love to be rich, but in the end we'll settle for being comfortable.
That's middle class, that's what is rapidly becoming extinct in America.The American dream is not working 80 hours a week in order to survive.
srh83: I went to months of networking meetings for the newly unemployed, and I
can tell you that 75% of them were people with gray hair. When the time came to
cut jobs, at least in my area, they cut those of the long-term employed, some
who were just years away from retirement. My evidence is anecdotal and may not
be representative of the majority of unemployed. So is your personal story. I
can tell you that I heard multiple stories of people applying for jobs for
months and months (the gray haired crowd) and not being able to get them. They
wanted to work.It is natural to feel that if you did it, surely
anyone (and everyone) can. That is not the case in this kind of economy. You got
the job -- good for you. However, that may have meant several others didn't get
it. Some of the older folks send letters of support and food to the young
protesters who represent them, too, even though they can't be there.
I thought this article was spot on!! I feel extremely blessed to have a job at
this time, but I do feel frustrated by those who feel that they are entitled to
a job without putting forth the effort. I had a job that didn't pay extremely
well, nor did it have good career opportunities, so I bought two books on the
GMAT and studied for six months, took the GMAT and was in an MBA program within
a year and a half. My wife and I didn't go out to eat very often, saved every
penny we could and have helped our kids (though they are very young) the
importance of living frugally. After going through the program I blessed to
network my way to a good job (which we moved out of Utah to get). I
certainly don't wish to sound arrogant, but I must say that I'm frustrated by
all those who say there aren't jobs, yet those same people have smart phones and
money to go out to eat whenever they want.
"Entitlement" is often spoken as a negative in our political
society.We are entitled to be human equals in our constitution. We as a country got over the first hurdle of class slavery . We got over the second hurdle of "debt prisons" and the rights of
the owners of debt to cut off a person's ear for a debt that wasn't able to be
repaid (for example in colonial times). We got over a third hurdle
when women were finally given voting rights. We got over a fourth
hurdle with basic civil rights for non whites.What is wrong with
basic entitlements?Why should anyone be without a basic subsistence
of food in America? Give blood to eat... hmmm. Maria Antoinette was
of that opinion i seem to believe. The truth is that I am just so proud of
the smart 99% standing in the face of the world and asking politely by being
@Independent Thinker: Yes, this is much like what occurred in the 60's and the
sentiments are strikingly similar. America again fails to learn from its own
This article reminds of the sentiment expressed back in the 60's and 70's:
"Get a job - you dirty, hippy creeps". But you know what? - Those
dirty, hippy creeps mananged to change the culture of this country. They
contributed mightly to bringing an end to an awful war. They brought social and
political consciousness to the fore, and thereby changed the world.It's good to read that there are those who oppose the "Occupy Wall
Street" are speaking out. It's good to read the suggestion that the
protestors might better serve themselves and society by doing something else.
That tells me the movement has generated some thought and merits attention.
Without dissention, there is no need for focus.I say to the
protestors: "Hooray for you. As long as you are able to contribute to
this effort, you have my support and gratitude. Thank you.
I find so many similarities between America now and France in the years leading
up to the French Revolution.-- Financial crisis caused by
involvement in overseas wars, out of control national debt and inadequate
taxation.-- Mass poverty, rapidly rising costs of necessity items,
inadequate infrastructure.-- The entire nation controlled by a small
group of sociopolitical elite.-- A government out of touch with its
people.We know where this lead the French people, the question
nobody is willing to ask (yet) is if the American people will have to follow a
similar course in order to get their nation back.
If history has taught us anything, it is this: times change. There comes a time
in every society when it is not enough to run around trying to make ends meet.
Instead, one must put off the gains of productivity in order to re-establish a
society, culture, and law where all human life is valued more than exploitation
(99%) by a few (1%). MLK, understood this, Gandhi understood this,
John Adams understood this -- as have all great and noble influencers of
"But I have to ask is sleeping in tents creating an unemployed lifestyle?
What is it creating? " Your article, public awareness, dialogue, and
hopefully change in how we operate as a country. Republicans, Christians,
Muslims, Liberals, Socialists, and communists, all agree that the US is corrupt
as a result of career politicians and big money lobbyist creating conflicting
interests among the politicians. The speculating the banks did on MBS' is a
crime, yet those people are still running our country. Dirty hippies camping in
tents in a park peeing in the rose bushes is far less worse than bringing a
world economy to state of collapse.
"Ms. Dickson" - sorry I got it wrong.Ways to protest that
might be more effective:Wearing bright shirts with
"Occupy" printed on the front and "See 1%? This is how we operate
in this country!" and then volunteer somewhere.While wearing
the same shirts offer to hold signs advertising companies that did not ask for a
bail out, managed their finances in a fair way, treated employees like people
who mattered and not just grunt laborers for the upper management to get rich
off of.Hold signs supporting members of congress who oppose the
policies that favor the 1% and who voted against bailouts.Hold
charity bake sales in front of banks with greedy policies, or any other building
that houses people that need a reminder that greed and stepping on others is not
the way we do business in America.Do the opposite of what the 1% did
and does. Shame them by deliberate example while also working to change laws
and policies. Hanging out in a park and adding costs to already
cash-strapped cities attracts those who have a different flavor of the same
entitlement attitude and therefore weakens the message.
Jeanie b., you say that there are other ways to stand up to corporate empires.
What are these ways? In a short time the protesters have brought focused
attention to what is at stake, and have organized events for people to withdraw
their money from the big banks. November 5 is in fact slated to be a major day
for moving money from the major banks. The big banks are blowing just a bit less
arrogantly now. It's a start. The protesters give me hope that my children may
not have to work three jobs indebted their whole lives to the unholy greed of a
few.The sight of a few skateboarders seems more problematic to the
writer than the behavior of Wall Street. I am the parent of grown children whose
job of 11 years was eliminated in the recession, currently a seminary student,
and I when I go to the protest site in my city, I feel a sense of hope that
there are those who will not go willingly into the dark night of plutocracy. Why
are they being run down for acting instead of waiting? If you have a better
plan, bring it on.
I agree with this article! All of it - from being disgusted about Wall Street
and the culture that supports bailouts for companies that send their corporate
leaders flying into Washington in private jets, to wondering if the Occupy
movement is really the most effective way to protest. Ms. Dickinson
is correct that we are a nation of people that take action. I believe there are
other ways to stand up to corporate empires that do not make otherwise
legitimate protesters look like another form of the entitlement "get
something for doing nothing" problem.
Ms. Dickinson: You are missing the point. It is not just joblessness that the
protesters are protesting. It is a culture that has sanctioned corruption and
white collar theft under the rubric of "success" and then worships at
its altar of even bigger bonuses while those it enriched itself on lose homes,
jobs and health insurance. You talked about a woman working three jobs to
support her kids; she is too busy to protest. I understand. Is that what you
want for your children when they grow up, to work three jobs just to survive?
Without someone standing up to the corporate empires in this country, that is
the future we will have. The protesters are doing what the whole country should
be doing, whether we have jobs or not, and that is resisting this injustice with
all our might.
Where are the jobs? There are far more unemployed people than there are
Saying that not working creates an "unemployed lifestyle" is a gross