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Published: Monday, Oct. 31 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT

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johhen
Salt Lake City, UT

Saying that not working creates an "unemployed lifestyle" is a gross generalization.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

Where are the jobs? There are far more unemployed people than there are available jobs.

Kathryn Price
ANDOVER, MN

Ms. Dickinson: You are missing the point. It is not just joblessness that the protesters are protesting. It is a culture that has sanctioned corruption and white collar theft under the rubric of "success" and then worships at its altar of even bigger bonuses while those it enriched itself on lose homes, jobs and health insurance. You talked about a woman working three jobs to support her kids; she is too busy to protest. I understand. Is that what you want for your children when they grow up, to work three jobs just to survive? Without someone standing up to the corporate empires in this country, that is the future we will have. The protesters are doing what the whole country should be doing, whether we have jobs or not, and that is resisting this injustice with all our might.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

I agree with this article! All of it - from being disgusted about Wall Street and the culture that supports bailouts for companies that send their corporate leaders flying into Washington in private jets, to wondering if the Occupy movement is really the most effective way to protest.

Ms. Dickinson is correct that we are a nation of people that take action. I believe there are other ways to stand up to corporate empires that do not make otherwise legitimate protesters look like another form of the entitlement "get something for doing nothing" problem.

Kathryn Price
ANDOVER, MN

Jeanie b., you say that there are other ways to stand up to corporate empires. What are these ways? In a short time the protesters have brought focused attention to what is at stake, and have organized events for people to withdraw their money from the big banks. November 5 is in fact slated to be a major day for moving money from the major banks. The big banks are blowing just a bit less arrogantly now. It's a start. The protesters give me hope that my children may not have to work three jobs indebted their whole lives to the unholy greed of a few.

The sight of a few skateboarders seems more problematic to the writer than the behavior of Wall Street. I am the parent of grown children whose job of 11 years was eliminated in the recession, currently a seminary student, and I when I go to the protest site in my city, I feel a sense of hope that there are those who will not go willingly into the dark night of plutocracy. Why are they being run down for acting instead of waiting? If you have a better plan, bring it on.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

"Ms. Dickson" - sorry I got it wrong.

Ways to protest that might be more effective:

Wearing bright shirts with "Occupy" printed on the front and "See 1%? This is how we operate in this country!" and then volunteer somewhere.

While wearing the same shirts offer to hold signs advertising companies that did not ask for a bail out, managed their finances in a fair way, treated employees like people who mattered and not just grunt laborers for the upper management to get rich off of.

Hold signs supporting members of congress who oppose the policies that favor the 1% and who voted against bailouts.

Hold charity bake sales in front of banks with greedy policies, or any other building that houses people that need a reminder that greed and stepping on others is not the way we do business in America.

Do the opposite of what the 1% did and does. Shame them by deliberate example while also working to change laws and policies.

Hanging out in a park and adding costs to already cash-strapped cities attracts those who have a different flavor of the same entitlement attitude and therefore weakens the message.

maticus
FORT COLLINS, CO

"But I have to ask is sleeping in tents creating an unemployed lifestyle? What is it creating? " Your article, public awareness, dialogue, and hopefully change in how we operate as a country. Republicans, Christians, Muslims, Liberals, Socialists, and communists, all agree that the US is corrupt as a result of career politicians and big money lobbyist creating conflicting interests among the politicians. The speculating the banks did on MBS' is a crime, yet those people are still running our country. Dirty hippies camping in tents in a park peeing in the rose bushes is far less worse than bringing a world economy to state of collapse.

steve_1
PROVO, UT

If history has taught us anything, it is this: times change. There comes a time in every society when it is not enough to run around trying to make ends meet. Instead, one must put off the gains of productivity in order to re-establish a society, culture, and law where all human life is valued more than exploitation (99%) by a few (1%).

MLK, understood this, Gandhi understood this, John Adams understood this -- as have all great and noble influencers of history.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

I find so many similarities between America now and France in the years leading up to the French Revolution.

-- Financial crisis caused by involvement in overseas wars, out of control national debt and inadequate taxation.

-- Mass poverty, rapidly rising costs of necessity items, inadequate infrastructure.

-- The entire nation controlled by a small group of sociopolitical elite.

-- A government out of touch with its people.

We know where this lead the French people, the question nobody is willing to ask (yet) is if the American people will have to follow a similar course in order to get their nation back.

Independent Thinker
West Jordan, UT

This article reminds of the sentiment expressed back in the 60's and 70's: "Get a job - you dirty, hippy creeps". But you know what? - Those dirty, hippy creeps mananged to change the culture of this country. They contributed mightly to bringing an end to an awful war. They brought social and political consciousness to the fore, and thereby changed the world.

It's good to read that there are those who oppose the "Occupy Wall Street" are speaking out. It's good to read the suggestion that the protestors might better serve themselves and society by doing something else. That tells me the movement has generated some thought and merits attention. Without dissention, there is no need for focus.

I say to the protestors: "Hooray for you. As long as you are able to contribute to this effort, you have my support and gratitude. Thank you.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

@Independent Thinker: Yes, this is much like what occurred in the 60's and the sentiments are strikingly similar. America again fails to learn from its own history.

stephen_weber
OAKLAND, CA

"Entitlement" is often spoken as a negative in our political society.

We are entitled to be human equals in our constitution.

We as a country got over the first hurdle of class slavery .

We got over the second hurdle of "debt prisons" and the rights of the owners of debt to cut off a person's ear for a debt that wasn't able to be repaid (for example in colonial times).

We got over a third hurdle when women were finally given voting rights.

We got over a fourth hurdle with basic civil rights for non whites.

What is wrong with basic entitlements?

Why should anyone be without a basic subsistence of food in America?
Give blood to eat... hmmm.
Maria Antoinette was of that opinion i seem to believe.
The truth is that I am just so proud of the smart 99% standing in the face of the world and asking politely by being visible.

srh83
Hillsboro, OR

I thought this article was spot on!! I feel extremely blessed to have a job at this time, but I do feel frustrated by those who feel that they are entitled to a job without putting forth the effort. I had a job that didn't pay extremely well, nor did it have good career opportunities, so I bought two books on the GMAT and studied for six months, took the GMAT and was in an MBA program within a year and a half. My wife and I didn't go out to eat very often, saved every penny we could and have helped our kids (though they are very young) the importance of living frugally. After going through the program I blessed to network my way to a good job (which we moved out of Utah to get).

I certainly don't wish to sound arrogant, but I must say that I'm frustrated by all those who say there aren't jobs, yet those same people have smart phones and money to go out to eat whenever they want.

Kathryn Price
ANDOVER, MN

srh83: I went to months of networking meetings for the newly unemployed, and I can tell you that 75% of them were people with gray hair. When the time came to cut jobs, at least in my area, they cut those of the long-term employed, some who were just years away from retirement. My evidence is anecdotal and may not be representative of the majority of unemployed. So is your personal story. I can tell you that I heard multiple stories of people applying for jobs for months and months (the gray haired crowd) and not being able to get them. They wanted to work.

It is natural to feel that if you did it, surely anyone (and everyone) can. That is not the case in this kind of economy. You got the job -- good for you. However, that may have meant several others didn't get it. Some of the older folks send letters of support and food to the young protesters who represent them, too, even though they can't be there.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

@srh83: All in all Americans are a pretty laid back people. We'll put up with just about any inconvenience, with a minimum of fuss, as long as we can go on living our lives oblivious to the world around us. We don't care about who runs our government or what they do with our tax money. We don't mind being virtually strip searched before we get on an airplane. We'll pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas. But when our ability to work a 9-5 and bring home enough to put a roof over our heads and food in our mouths is threatened the time has come to speak up. We all would love to be rich, but in the end we'll settle for being comfortable. That's middle class, that's what is rapidly becoming extinct in America.

The American dream is not working 80 hours a week in order to survive.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Until the Unions, Acorn, and the Communists get out of the movement, I can't support it.

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