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Published: Thursday, Oct. 27 2011 8:00 p.m. MDT

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TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Herbert is trying to save his job......but can this outweigh the Illegal Alien sympathy he has supported in the pasty? Don't think so....

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Another government money grab. If they don't get it from you one way they'll get it from you another. The interstate highway system was federally developed and federally funded. It was designed to provide easy *free* travel between the states, not to be a revenue source.

cmccab01
Roy, UT

@deltafoxtrot, tell that to the citizens of new york. practically the entire I-90 within NYS is toll, and i can tell you first-hand that they do NOT use the tolls to maintain that particular highway. it's littered with potholes, lots of two-lane traffic only ... it's ridiculously out-dated, but for as much traffic utilizes the I-90, precious few dollars get sunk back into that roadway.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

Well, what do you know! DeltaFoxtrot and I agree on something :)

belgie
Tualatin, OR

I would get behind this proposal as long as we could then implement tolls to Arizona residents traveling on all freeways outside of Arizona.

one old man
Ogden, UT

But if the Teapublicans have their way, ALL our highways will be toll roads with profits going to the corporations to which the roads were sold in return for campaign funds.

However, for a couple of posters above who may not have lived back east, many of those toll roads that are now designated as Interstate highways were actually built by private companies at the same time the Interstates were under construction. They were then designated as Interstates. There were probably a lot of political favors that helped enable that.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

re: one old man

You mean back east where liberals run the States, cities, and most governments? Is that where you are referring to "many of those toll roads..."

Pathetic..your arguments are full of holes..but we expect nothing less from the left. Logic has no place.

Bob Cratchet
Salt Lake City, UT

@cmccab01 - I'm not sure what part of I-90 you are talking about. I drove along it multiple times this summer and found it very well maintained and divided with two lanes going each way. Last year driving out east I decided against another toll (I-80/90 are toll across most of the midwest) and took I-86 across S. New York instead of taking I-90, and I found that riddled with potholes.

jwd
Las Vegas, NV

It's amazing to note how bad the road quality on I-15 deteriorates the minute you cross into AZ from either UT or NV. What is the likelihood that ADOT will actually spend any collected toll money on actually repairing and upgrading I-15? I'd put it around 0. I agree with belgie. Otherwise, DeltaFoxtrot hit the nail on the head.

screenname
Salt Lake City, UT

Totally off base, one old man.

Interstate highways are yet another expenditure explicitly allowed by the Constitution. Is it too much to ask the Federal Government to do what it was created to do, instead of doing everything it wasn't explicitly created not to?

Dutchman
Murray, UT

I-15 crosses a little tiny corner of northwest Arizona. The issue of building and maintaining this little stretch of I-15 has been a problem from the beginning. The governors of Utah and Nevada should call upon Congress to annex this area into either Utah or Nevada and be done with this problem for good. Utah and Nevada have an interest in keeping this freeway open and maintained. Give the land to one of them.

cmccab01
Roy, UT

@bobcractchet, then they've revamped the entire I-90 because i lived out there for many years, and even up until 2007 when i was out visiting my folks, it was an embarrassment. anyone without a top-quality suspension system or whose vehicle had higher-than-normal clearance was likely to require under-carriage repair of some kind. i lived out there from the mid-80s until the mid-90s. from 96 to 07, those roads were worked on very little. friends and family from buffalo to syracuse all complained about the ridiculous condition of the 90.

i know of what i speak. the 90--just like most everything else in NYS--is designed to crush your wallet. state taxes are insane. property taxes can bankrupt you. and no--the cost of living out there is not higher. it's about the same as out here, minus the taxes.

dferg
Salt Lake City, UT

"Documents released by ADOT indicate electronic tolling technologies could be used to exempt Arizona residents who live in proximity to I-15 from the tolls". Seriously?

The *only* Arizona town in that tiny corner of the state within "proximity to I-15" is Littlefield; as of the 2000 census it had less than 1100 residents; hardly a going concern.

Yet for all the people from the Mesquite general area that may travel to St. George, or the tourist traffic coming from Utah down to Mesquite, this proposed toll will be unfair and burdensome.

A previous commenter was right: if Arizona has squandered their highway funds and ignored that stretch of I-15, the surrounding states should not have to bear responsibility for Arizona's spendthrift ways. Make the state pay for it.

BoomerJeff
Saint George, UT

Utah actually gave Arizona some of its freeway money back in the 60s to get this section built, Arizona gave the same argument back then. I agree with Dutchman to have that section annexed into the State of Utah and we'll take care of it. It makes more sense than to continually hear the same sob story from Arizona year after year. The have a port of entry there, shared with Utah, so they do collect money for that portion in addition to federal funds they receive. Just give it all to us and we'll maintain it.

one old man
Ogden, UT

You folks who know nothing about eastern toll roads need to do a little research. Many of these were built during the Eisenhower administration -- or were at least started then. If I remember right he was a Republican.

At the time, this deal was touted -- by mostly Republicans -- as a way to avoid using some of the taxpayer money designated by Eisenhower and Congress at the time for roads that would help tie the new Interstate system to existing roads. It was an early attempt at a business/government partnership.

And isn't that what some of our Republican friends are pushing for now? I think I've heard the word "privatize" bandied around frequently.

Prodicus
Provo, UT

People might not be happy about a toll, but demanding that Arizona bear all the burden of maintaining the very-difficult-to-maintain stretch of I-15 through the Virgin River Gorge is unreasonable. Arizona gets practically zero benefit from maintaining this route between Utah and Nevada; there's no Arizona community on I-15 and the only nearby community is just 1000 people, so few Arizona citizens regularly use the road and I-15 travelers don't spend any money in Arizona.

Dutchman's idea of annexing the Virgin River Gorge to Utah or Nevada is reasonable (though it may not fly with politicians). Both of those states, unlike Arizona, have a strong interest in having this section of road maintained.

UtahResident
Lehi, UT

I think that they should take away some of Arizona's highway money and give it to Utah or Nevada and then let that state maintain it for Arizona. Then it is just a business deal where one state is contracting the maintenance to another, no land swap.

one old man
Ogden, UT

A thousand years ago when I lived in Fredonia, everyone I knew wanted to secede from Arizona and be annexed by Utah. Arizona's government hated Utah then and apparently still does.

I don't know if it is still the case -- and hope it's not -- but back then people who lived in Utah but worked in Arizona had to have both Utah and Arizona license plates on their cars and had to pay income tax in both states.

Maybe we need to give Senators Hatch and Lee and Reps. Chaffetz and Bishop something to do besides pander to the Tea Party. Couldn't they initiate a bill in Congress to change a few boundary lines between states?

Ms Molli
Bountiful, Utah

I think it makes sense that those who use the road should pay for it.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

@Prodicus: By that logic why should Wyoming maintain I-80 between Cheyenne and Evanston? All that road does is connect to Utah and it is completely deserted for hundreds of miles at a time. The little towns that are on it are hardly worthy of being called towns... they're more like settlements in the wilderness.

It's a federal road, it goes through your state, so you pay to maintain it. That's the way it works for everybody else.

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