Please, just say no to two things: Drugs and the Big East.
Anti-BYU troll panic and commentary begins in 3... 2... 1...Pile on
everyone, it's another trollfest about how irrelevant BYU is. Can't wait for
your comments. Come on people, send them in now! You
can't 'Wynn' unless you send them in!
If theres no invite to the Pac-12 or Big 12 then stay indi.
There are so many rumors around conference alignment, I don't know what to
believe. If something like this happens, BYU should write into the
contract that they are free to leave with no penalties (waiting time or money)
if the Big East loses its AQ status.
Oh don't. Pleeeaaaasssseee don't. The Big East has become a joke (not one
ranked team this week) and likely will not survive as a BCS conference no matter
what they do.
@ Vegas - LOLWhile the Big12 is CLEARLY the superior option in terms
of football quality, the Big East may be a viable option. The proposed western
division would be a step up from the last conference BYU was in, and IF the Big
East manages to keep the BCS designation, would be a great set-up to access the
Who cares what conference they're in as long as they are a BCS conference! If it
is considered weaker than others, so what! Easier trip to the BCS. Besides, no
matter what conference they play in, how cool would it be to be in the same
league with Boise State. They are a natural rival and they command a lot of
respect from the country. Utah who?
"BYU, Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU and Cincinnati" - how is
this an improvement? I guess there are a few positives:1. The BCS AQ
status is paramount - would get it for a few years guaranteed, and then we'll
see if the conference rankings are good enough to hold onto it.2. You do
keep Boise and AF as regional foes. Would be nice to see San Diego State in here
though, for a good road trip...the Texas travel is not great.3. You don't
have to jump back in bed with some terrible football schools like Wyoming and
New Mexico. While this Big East is not great at the top, at least it is not
terrible at the bottom.4. Scheduling is easier.Still, it
doesn't look compelling. Had they pulled this off with TCU still in the mix,
maybe. As is, stay independent or make a few more concessions to push for the
Big 12 (at least that TX/OK travel is worth it).
LOL.An all but dead conference is picking up the scraps of what no
one else wanted.LOL.But if it happens, congratulations
on your "BCS conference" invited.LOL.That
automatic bid will soon be given to the SEC, Big 12, and/or Pac 12.Oh its good to be in a "CONTINUING" BCS conference.
As a BYU alum and Idaho native, I would love to see BYU and Boise St. in the
same conference. The Big 12 would be preferable, but this new proposed
Conference would not be bad. For both, it would mean auto-AQ. For BYU, it would
mean better scheduling during conference game season (no more ISUs!) For Boise,
it means getting out of the horrible Mountain West TV deal and a slate of solid
to very good football conference foes with no cellar dwellers to drag down their
SOS. One benefit for both is that it would be a very winnable conference while
still being AQ.
If BYU could get a schedule to play the Western teams every year with a chance
of playing in the championship game without playing a 8/9 game schedule I am for
it. But there is no reason to Play 4 games against Connecticut, Rutgers,
Central Florida, South Florida, Louisville and Navy Every year. With only 3 Non
Conference and wanting to play Hawaii, Utah State and Utah there would be no
huge games. Playing Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, And
Cincinnati in conference would allow BYU to continue their rivals and have out
of conference games. The biggest negative with Independence is good November
games. This fixes that. 2013 BYU Schedule - Most of this is
already scheduled (just filled in with Big East teams)At Washington
StateTexasUtahAt Air ForceBye Weekat Utah StateGeorgia TechAt HoustonBoise State CincinnatiAt Notre
DameSMUAt HawaiiYou get to play bigs games every
year(Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech)You get to play Local Rivals (Utah
and Utah State) And you get a chance to play for a championship game. Keep the rest of the sports in WCC
Dear Mr. Holmoe:Why not throw everyone a curve ball and apply for
membership in the ACC? After all, Provo is a lost closer to salt water than
Blacksburg, Virginia...That, or the CFL. Extra guy, extra field,
more passing, the Rouge, and I can easily make the 6 hour drive when the Cougs
make that road trip to Winnipeg to take on the Blue Bombers!
A six team division of BSU, BYU, AF, Cinncinati, Houston and SMU, for football
only, sounds like a pretty good group. I am not sure the BCS would take away AQ
status if the Big East put together the proposed 12 team package. Several of
the teams are already BCS schools and Boise State, BYU and Houston are certainly
as strong as other BCS schools. In fact, before all is said and done this year,
Boise State could possibly be in the BCS championship game.The
football only propostion makes it a nice fit for BYU. They stay in the WCC with
the strong men's basketball and women's programs.If this came
together with solid agreements in place, it could work nicely.Interesting possibilities.
BYU still houses concerns about the stability of the Big 12, or the league that
may poach the Big East. I'm pretty sure the Big East isn't even on Holmoe's
mind.For those fans panicking because BYU hasn't jumped up and down
like Missouri and TCU saying "pick me," you may be in for a lot worse
later when BYU joins the Big 12 only to see it dissolve in five years or moves
football to the Big East and loses the exposure they currently enjoy and have no
way out. The Big East TV contract is also worth about what the MWC contract
was. I have my concerns about the longterm viability of Independence
but, I also have my concerns about Chris B making it to the next day to grace us
with his prescence (you beat the odds every day bro). Neither are likely to
change this minute but, both are likely to change longer term. Relax.
The Big East is a basketball conference. I still don't understand why BYU
cannot go to ESPN for help to form a new conference of 10 teams with all teams
playing all sports. just get the 9 best football schools still avail. Boise,
AFA, Navy, South and Central FL, Louisville, Cinncy, Houston and SMU. That
confernce has as much chance of a BCS berth as the Big East. Did you see what
Pitt (who got killed by Utah) did to UConn last night? Use BYUtv as a
another tier of revenue (be willing to share) until other sources can be found.
It would take leadership. Oh, is that a problem?
"If these outrageous reports have any merit and especially if a United
States Senator has done anything inappropriate or unethical to interfere with a
decision that the Big 12 had already made then I believe that there should be
an investigation in the U.S. Senate, and I will fight to get the truth. West
Virginians and the American people deserve to know exactly what is going on and
whether politics is interfering with our college sports, he said.===Cue the "spit-take"...
Chris BLOL.The dead conference invites BYU and other
schools, retains it's BCS status.LOL.BYU is now in a BCS
conference (killing your all but dead prediction record)LOL.BYU plays, who you feel are inferior teams, but are in a BCS conference
(remember all your posts are on the claim that it is better to be in a BCS Conf.
no matter were you fit or what your record is), but wins and gets to a BCS game
before utes even sniff at another one.LOL"Oh its
good to be in a "CONTINUING" BCS conference." You tell me? You
are now one of the worst teams in the entire BCS.
If you go to the Big East, make sure they have an auto bid to the BCS or it's
another name for the MWC.
This is all ridiculous. Put all of the conferences back to where they were and
make a playoff. Keep the regional rivalrys and make people earn a place in the
playoffs and then earn a NC.
Big 12> Indy > New Big LEast. Lets not forget that if this new conference
happens, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, U Conn, and USF will actively be looking
for new homes. Any benefits associated with BCS status will either be eaten up
in travel costs, or disappear when the AQ status is yanked. Exposure? Don't
make me laugh. The BE games are buried, or not televised. Tom Holmoe said his
intention is for BYU to play with the big boys (although the current schedule
doesn't support this, it will get better) and we all know the not so Big East is
not a "big boy" conference.
Chris B LOL at your BYU obsession.Congratulations on
being the newest member of the big boy conference cellar dweller club.
How can ANY BYU fan be serious about playing MWC/WAC teams again every year?
Independence is WAY better than that.The Little East won't retain is
BCS status by replacing BCS schools with mid-majors. Even a magician couldn't
pull off that trick and fool the BCS cartel.The Little East is
coming close to losing its AQ status, and will continue to lose its better BCS
schools to expansion by the Big 12 and ACC. Rebranding mid-majors as BCS schools
Wow talk about sloppy seconds or thirds or whatever. Big East!! Ha ha ha ha!!
flynn is the coolest - Yes Holmoe said his intention is for BYU to play with the
big boys and yet his last 3 games he scheduled was Washington State (PAC12),
Houston (Conference USA) and Southern Mississippi (Conference USA), I know it would be cool to play USC, Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas, Florida,
Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Michigan, Oregon, Miami Every year, but if you want home 3
home games and more than 3 wins a season you have to be realistic. Plus it is
going to be tough to get any of these teams to play in November because most of
them are in conferences games then. Holmoe wants 4 local rivalries
to be played every year. Utah, Boise State, Hawaii, and Utah State. He wants 3
or 4 big games a year. Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, (Penn State has been
Mentioned), etc and then he wants 4 or 5 winnable games a year (Hence the
Houston and Southern Miss games scheduled)
How about the next article reads "Byu to the Big Ten?, but only in soccer,
water polo and bowling and maybe tennis?"
Stay away from the Big East. Please. That'd be worse that independence. Just
another silly rumor that the Dnews is more than willing to throw out there.
How about you do this. You join the BIG EAST but if they loose AQ status you
can leave and be independent again without an exit fee and just one year's
Chris B,But I thought you said no BCS conference wanted BYU? Last
time I checked the Big East is a BCS conference and will be all the way up until
Sorry, bad idea, it will never fly, and BYU would never accept it. The Big East
is either desperate (likely), or has too much time on it's hands (not likely).
This idea will go nowhere.
It would be easier to get a win in the Big East, but Cougar fans wouldn't be
able to brag about it. The Big 12 is a better conference than Pac 12, but the
Big East is weaker than the MWC.
BYU needs to work a deal with the BIG-12, come on BYU get that deal done!BigEast
rumor isn't a viable option, and independence is good for now, but is not a good
option long term. Being in the same conference in all sports is the way to go
and with close BCS conference partners.
I'm okay with the Big East, but they would need to change their name since it is
going to have a coast-to-coast flavor to it. Maybe the Continental Conference
with East and West divisions?That's a very good Western division
(BYU, Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU and Cincinnati). All have gone to
bowl games in the last couple of years and would provide a strong in-conference
schedule. I would suppose they'd play a couple of the East teams and then fill
in the schedule with those top-tier teams they've been lining up.But, as always, BYU would have to remain in control of their game broadcast
and re-broadcasts and keep their remaining teams in the WCC.My
biggest concern is that other conferences are going to be shutting BYU out by
refusing to allow their teams to play non-conference opponents during the second
half of the season (as the PAC-12 has done as I recall). If that happens, BYU
will forever play in late October and November against WAC teams. I'd rather
that not happen.
What's in if for jokes, who is the y playing as an independent? WAC and MWC
teams. Oh yea, mixed with Division 2 teams late in the season.
Go Big Blue!!! "who is the Y playing as an independent? WAC and
MWC teams"Isn't Utah State a WAC team?
The Big-East would be easier to schedule than independance, but it would be less
impressive. BYU would get very little from joining the Big-East, at a great
Go Big Blue!!! Sorry your team can't finish games and probably won't
win a game the rest of the season. Byu is bowl eligible and 6-2. Hey but the Ags
will go down this season as the "best" 2-10 program in the nation.
That close Auburn game really doesn't mean much anymore does it? First game
jitters by Auburn that's all.
Jack, unlike the y, USU fans never fraudulantly claim to be BCS worthy. The
Aggies will be winning their share of WAC games long before the y puts together
a BCS calibar team.You can poke all the fun you want at the team
that dominated the y last year and pushed the y to the limit this year. The
teams that are making the y look good the end of last season as well as this
season are at the bottom of the Div 1 foodchain.
Any football program in the Big East would be a joke. Such a super-conference
would be a bigger joke. As far as BYU programs are concerned Big 12 >
Independence > PAC 12. Please, let's stop with all the articles
based on some administrative assistant's WAG speculations of conference
alignment/invites. Geez, I think I'd rather see an article on the intricacies of
If BYU can negotiate some way to still keep some games on BYU TV, this should be
a NO BRAINER. Join the Big East West for football and keep everything else in
the WCC. The deal with the WAC for football only lasts thru next year. After
that, BYU needs to fill out their entire schedule. This set-up allows them to
play some attractive teams in the Western division with a 3 cross over games
with the eastern division. These teams are all a cut above the general MWC
teams. So, this looks like a Win-Win to me. BYU gets 8 conference games
against good opponents, can still schedule 4 other top intersectional games, and
has a championship. Also, they don't have to pull out the WCC after just 1
year. Again, this seems far better than being independent. They are basically
trading WAC opponents for much better Big East opponents. It seems like a NO
Of the teams in the Big East, or on its wish list and adding BYU, these were
ranked at anytime in the last 10 years, not including this year, listed by
cumulative ratings:Boise StateWest VirginiaLouisvilleBrigham YoungCincinnatiRutgersNavyWV and
Louisville are possible exits. BYU doesn't seem to be invited. Air Force, SMU
and Houston, to my surprise, haven't been ranked at year-end for 10 years.With BYU in the mix, their rankings over a ten-year period would
approximate that of the ACC. Without BYU or Boise or WVU or Louisville, they'd
be in the neighborhood of the MWC. Most of MWC's rankings come from Boise, so
robbing Boise from the MWC keeps the Big East ahead.
Independence is the Best!!Scheduling problems considered, Play who you
want, when you want. Never on Sunday, ESPN contract in place with national
exposure, great football and sufficient income with the same fun games at home
and a high probability of a bowl game every year. The opportunity for a NC no
better in a "Big" conference, if ever, but who cares it's still great
fun at cougar stadium. We found something good in Independence. Let's quit
shopping like a kid looking for a little better bike instead of being satisfied
with the one he has.Go Cougars!!
LOL @ Chris B - Utes are doing real well now they have to play a PAC-12 team
each week! BYU should stay independent, it has worked just fine for Notre Dame,
an average team that is on NBC every week and gets $15B. The BCS should be
If BYU were to go to a "football only" league and the remaining sports
were to remain in the WCC, how would this decision affect the NCAA div. 1 status
of softball to compete in the tournament? It is my understanding that women's
softball in the WCC competes at a lower level, therefore BYU's program would be
forced to compete down. Is there any one out there in DN land able to comment
on this? Noting that this year the women are still competing in the Mtn West.
I guess the one thing that makes me think this may have some creditability is
that the BCS may have a difficult time in removing AQ status from already
accepted programs like UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati and South Florida. And then
ompounding that potential problem by telling schools like Boise State, BYU,
Houston, Air Force, Navy, that your programs are not worthy while continuing to
allow very similar programs in size and quality like Pittsburgh, Syracuse,
Vanderbuilt, Mississippi, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa St, Colorado, Utah and many
others to remain. Remember how the BCS has struggled with the government and
anti-trust issues already, this could really cause the hammer to drop.
Way to spin it, Chris B., who said BYU would "never" get into a BCS
conference; now you say it isn't one that will continue. Gosh, are you WRONG
AGAIN??? Didn't you also say Utah would go to the Rose Bowl this year? A 2nd
grader has more credibility in their opinions than some U partisans. LOL!!How's eating off the bottom at escalated stadium seating prices for the
smallest stadium in the PAC 10.2 conference just to watch U lose every
conference game? It must be exhillerating....for you, anyway.....
This is funny. Last year, BYU insisted that it was happy being an independent,
even though everyone knew it was a step backward. Now look how desperate the
school is to join a BCS conference, no matter where it is. Desperation is not
attractive. Maybe that is why BYU has not gotten an invite from the struggling
Big 12. This entire process continues to make BYU look like a rinky-dink
Alabama ranked #2They currently have 4 ranked teams on their schedule. And
that's better than Byu yes, but look at their other foes.Kent StateNorth TexasVandyOle MissTennMiss StateGeorgia
SouthernI'm not understanding, they don't schedule top ranked teams
week in and week out??
I hope that BYU gives the Big East serious consideration if the Big 12 is not an
option. I prefer that BYU be in a conference and not be independent--even if we
might play better teams some years as an independent and get more exposure. It
is simply more fun to be part of a conference where you can build rivalries,
read up on how the other conference teams are doing, compare yourself weekly to
the other conference teams, and have a chance to be the best of the group. The
Big East is not as good as the Big 12, but it is stronger than what we had in
the Mountain West. And it has a BCS bid (if it can keep it) which is huge. I
think the Big East would be an improvement over what we have experienced in the
Mountain West and independence.
Jarka-rus,If you are a BYU fan I wouldn't be making to much fun of USU's
record. Bronco had to sell Jake Heaps down the river and even then it took a
last minute miracle for BYU to pull it out AT HOME against USU. USU is a decent
team on the way up. What direction do you think BYU is going? I mean what does
your gut tell you? My gut tells me that they are on the way down and that the
fans have lower expectations than ever before, way lower. Thats why they rushed
the feild after beating USU.
Chris BWhat will really be funny is when CU wins its first Pac game and
the Utes drop to last in the conf. below them LOL!!
Maybe put Hawaii in the Big East too. Geez this is ridiculous. How can you be in
the Big East if you are out west? Maybe just create a new conference called the
"Left-overs conference" that includes all the schools nobody else
wants. BYU would be the first candidate for sure!!
Whoa!Squirrel!Shiney, bright object! Go to
the light!Big East sounds like leftovers to me. Either go to a
mega-conference or stay put. It is nice, however to be wanted by a few.
@Chris B.Listen, let's make a deal here. About the only thing your
team has to show for moving to the PAC 12 is a whole bunch of money. Washington
State has a lot of money too, but it doesn't make them a good football program.
So how about this: Since Utah is 0-4 in the PAC 12, how about you
show a little humility and not post anything until they actually beat a PAC 12
team? I mean, yes, they have a lot of money now, but none of it is actually for
Alpha Chicken6-2 is going down? Just because they had some close games?
really?? You think Byu wouldn't destroy Wyoming? or Weber? And would lose to L
Tech, c'mon. yes I am a Y fan. Heaps isn't what he was hyped up to be. I agree
to that, but now they have found a QB that can make things happen. who knows
what happens in the USU game if Riley plays the whole game. You don't know and I
don't know. At least the Y can pull off the miracle, the Ags obviously can't.
But if they are truly on the rise then why are they 2-5? Since when is 2-5
evidence of a team on the rise? Because of one close game at Auburn? If that's
true then your expectations are askew. My gut tells me Byu is just fine and
heading to a bowl game. You really think your gut tells you a bowl is in USU's
@Ogdenite newbieWho's unhappy? This Big East thing was not started
by a Y fan. This is what we call media attention, positive media attention.
Totally different than what 'U'our accustomed to these days.Contrary
to 'U'our view of the world, BYU is much in control and independence is just
fine. Come 2013 BYU will be playing and hosting the likes of storied programs
the U will never see in RES.There is no desperation, only Utesie
trolls kickin' the dirt again about BYU in the headlines... a typical news
commentary day on the DNews.
Wow! Utah hasn't won a pac-12 football game yet. How long till they win a
basketball game? There is no honer in losing.
Alpha ChickenThis question is for anyone really. What rule book or
where in any book for that matter is it written, which games you can storm the
field for? Is it just against ranked teams? Rivals? when you win by 2 or 40?
when its raining, snowing? how many points you comeback from? Not sure whats
wrong with getting excited at a sports event over a 2 minute comeback win in
dramatic fashion. Big deal. Ute and Aggie fans just jealous they have had
absolutely no reason to storm the field.
Cue the music from the Jeffersons:"Well they're moving on up,
moving on up, to the east side. To a BCS conference in sky. Oh they're moving
on up, moving on up, to the east side, they finally got a piece of the pie.BYU didn't get a PAC-12 invite. That team plays on the hill. Took a
whole lot a trying, just to get another deal. Now they're finally in the BCS.
Getting their turn at bat. As long as their playing, at BYU baby, and there
ain't nothing wrong with that (debatable ;-))"Repeat chorus.Congrats BYU, if it happens. That would be a good deal. This would be
another blow to the kidneys of USU as the rumor of the mega conference included
them, but I am sure the MWC would pick them up to replace Boise, well actually,
I am not sure, but I don't see too many other options out there. This football
realignment has more twist and turns than a thriller mystery movie. Enjoy the
ride. Once again, let me thank Texas for opening up this Pandora's box! A
playoff system could return sanity back to geographic locations in
Being a Boise St. fan, I think this would be a great deal. For all those who
think this is a bad idea, I fail to see your reasoning. BCS-AQ status, BCS-AQ
money, BCS-AQ recognition and no more playing crummy teams in the late year.
Let's be honest, the Big East bottom feeders are still tons better than many of
the WAC/MWC/Conf. USA/MAC/Sun Belt top teams. Be honest, would you rather play
Cincinatti in November or Idaho, or ISU. If you want the Idaho's and ISU's, by
all means stay indy. People say, they will lose AQ status, remember, the AQ
rules were to keep others out, not to kick anyone out. Pittsburg and Syracuse
were there for the tv markets, nothing else, so I don't see the AQ staus going
away since they'll be picking up the TX, Utah, Idaho and Florida markets.
Besides, who's to say this won't be a step to something greater.
Maybe BYU in the Big 12--Possibley BYU in the Big East--Could be
they stay Independent--Perhaps they should have stayed in the MWC--For crying out loud! Stop writing articles about NOTHING HAPPENING!
This is actually the "Ideal" situation for BYU.Provided
BYU can keep their ESPN contract, same day re-play, BYU-TV etc. It
remains to be seen if the Big East would be accomodating to BYU, which
apparently the Big 12 cannot be. That's OK, that's business.-Football only...-BYU keeps all other sports in the WCC, along
with control of the TV for Olympic sports and basketball, which BYU absolutely
does not want to part with.-Built in schedule with good Western
teams, will still allow BYU to schedule 4 or 5 Non-Conference games, Notre Dame,
Texas, Ga. Tech etc..Championship Game between the East and West in
Yankee Stadium.I proposed this very scenario a month ago. BYU
"Football Only" to the Big East, is the only way BYU fits a Conference
model.BYU is too far down the road with their own Broadcsting and
Brand to sign it all away to another Conference. Here they can still chart their
own course.Another built in advantage would be some Big East
Basketball teams coming to the Marriott Center. Although not in the same B-ball
Conference, some home and homes could be worked out.Don't Dither
@sammyg"Pile on everyone, it's another trollfest about how
irrelevant BYU is"That might be fun but what's even more fun is
noting how irrelevent the Big East is in football. Frankly I think BYU is
literally too good for them. @starfarer"You are now one
of the worst teams in the entire BCS. "Utah is 51st in the
sagarin rankings (7th highest in the conference). Utah has only lost to top 50
schools, has beaten 3 55-90 ranked schools and Utah's remaining 5 opponents are
8-12 in the conference (something like 65 85 105 106 and colorado at about
120th). Let's wait til the end of the season for that assessment. I know
groundhogs are better prognosticators than Chris but that doesn't mean you have
to make faulty statements too.
I would absolutely love for BYU to come play Rutgers every couple years, but
what was proposed sounds like a very, very unstable coalition.
Again, are you KIDDING? BYU fans would like to play in the mid-majored Little
East? Give me a break!Independence forever is WAY better than a
bogus Big East.If the Big 12 is to save itself from future
implosion, it'll have to get to 14 teams at minimum, and soon (even if invitees
don't come on board for a few years). That'll likely include BYU, as the
pickin's are slim anymore. Not much left in the Big East to choose from for Big
12 expansion.I'm bettin' the instability of conference expansions is
why BYU hasn't married up with the Big 12 as yet. Once things settle down, we'll
see where we are. Until then, it's only SPECULATION, because the Big 12 is
honoring BYU's desire to keep negotiations private.Duh.
Sammy G? what are you doing over here. This isn't a Utah article. If BYU were to
join the big East without guarantees concerning AQ status of the conference,
they would be nuts. Nearly every scenario I've read concerning the Big East
doesn't look promising.I'm not a cougar fan but, I'd like to see a legitimate
invitation from a stable AQ conference. I'm just not sure if that is the Big
Independents it worked for our Nations founding Fathers.
I personally like this idea better than the Big-12, because BYU can negotiate
keeping it's BYUtv, ESPN and stays in the WCC for Oly sports. It gives BYU that
long reach nationally for football, eastern exposure, numerous western travel
partnerss & rivals, and it puts all the service academies in the same place
as BYU. When and if Notre Dame needs a conference, it is more likely to join
that Big-East than any other conference. Frankly, the people who think the BE
will lose AQ status really know NOTHING about media footprints and markets. The
BE already reaches the most important media meccas of the nation and 1/3rd the
households. Joining the BE would mean AQ for BYU, allows the continental
exposure and really gives BYU a national recruiting profile. Sorry all you
naysayers, but I like THIS plan way better than the Big-12
College Football has gone Cannibalistic...and the NCAA has no control over what
will eventually mutate out of this. The Big East is a Joke and was on the verge
of being thrown out of the BCS before the Mountain West conference imploded and
Craig Thompson's ego got a good taste of his own stupidity. I think BYU's move
to Independance is the only safe ground for the Cougars right now. Too many
fault lines have been created and a very precarious house of cards has emerged.
One that eventually has no other course than to completely topple.
it is interesting how the complaints of BCS monopoly and unfair trade etc have
disappeared. A very effective strategy to bring in the excluded. The
conversation has changed to the BCS's benefit.
BYU should consider the SEC before the Big East. I for one would love to see BYU
in the SEC. Most of the members probably would also if old rivalries can stay
@hubbardesquireBYU could also consider taking a trip to the Big Rock
Candy Mountain while they're at it. I don't think the SEC is interested in BYU.
For the SEC, BYU's only disadvantage is that its football may be a little below
the norm for the SEC, all other sports would offer great competition.Another plus for BYU is its television exposure which is not something that
the SEC would likely disregard in any discussion.All that the SEC
would look for is market exposure mostly through television contracts. I know that the University of Alabama has long worked with, and admired the
academics, at BYU.What's the harm in a little "window
shopping" on the part of BYU. It never hurts to "test the
The level of competition in Big East is closer to BYU level. With chance at BCS,
BYU should go for it.
As an alumnus of The University of Alabama School of Law, and member of the
Church, I would be glad to do my part in bringing BYU and the SEC together. I,
personally, do not think that it would be a hard sell to the SEC.After all, is Texas A&M football that much better than BYU football?It is all about market share and television revenue. Now
would be a great time for BYU to approach the SEC on the subject. Do it now
before the 14th member school is added.
It makes sense. After all Boise State and BYU are EAST of the Sierra
Wow. I read an article on ESPN that talks about the Big East expanding and the
teams the with whom the conference has spoken (Boise St) and those with whom
they are expected to speak. No where in the mix is there mention of byu. So, I come to the Des News and see this article. I read it and then
started to read the comments. The articles I have read by credible sports
authority sources has just about every team in the country in play except byu.
Yet, here you are making plans for divisions in the Big East, inviting
yourselves to the SEC, the ACC, and Big 12. Proclaiming that Boise St and byu
are BCS caliber. Where does that come from?? byu has done nothing in the BCS.
One thing all the speculation has proven is that byu fans
desperately want to be in a conference and that independence is little more than
lipstick on a pig.
No way BYU does this. Big12>Indy>Big EastI'd rather see BYU
stay independent than end up in the Big Least. This conference is done. Both
West Virginia and Louisville are gone. And you know Uconn and Cincinnati would
be gone in a heartbeat if the Big 12 or ACC call.
For all of you out there who keep saying IF the BIG EAST KEEPS ITS AQ STATUS,
it's guaranteed!! The good ol' network called the BCS will take care of the
Big East if they can add some teams and grow to 12 teams. Trust me, it's a
given that the Big East will retain its BCS status.
Pac12Proud:The Y is not so insecure that it would take an affiliation with
a bcs conference as a bottom feeder, just to say "I belong", yes but I
loose every conference game. "But I belong."Independence
is the best route, the bcs will be gone in two, mark it down. All of this
coference cannabilism will be the dager that does in the bcs. The ncaa will
finally have the guts, because it will be forced upon them, to step up and take
charge. At that point the Y will be the one picking and choosing.
What a shame! If BYU, Utah, TCU had stayed in the MW, with BSU and even the
other schools coming in, the MW would easily have been awarded the Big East's AQ
status. That would have made the MW a very strong, competitive conference, the
TV deal was being reworked, and before you say it, yes, UNLV football is
pathetic. As it is, now you're looking at the Big East? They'll be gone very
shortly, and back to basketball only. Good luck!
Independence is Freedom keep it and enjoy the ride.
No ACC! lol... We don't need a yearly beat down from the seminoles..... Whether
it is an up or down year for FSU BYU can't seem to beat em for the life of
themselves. As for people calling it the Big Least that kind of denegrates
Utah's victory over the hapless panthers doesn't it? Also down troddens their
9-0 lifetime record against them..... How in over 100 years only 9 games against
a relatively easy conference to beat? GO BEAVERS GO! Please send the Utes to 3-5
because then all the trolls that call 'us' a mid major look like a baby major.
Beating a mid major but losing to a team that the mid major beat just doesn't
carry with it a lot of fruit of merit.
"The articles I have read by credible sports authority sources has just
about every team in the country in play except byu. Yet, here you are making
plans for divisions in the Big East, inviting yourselves to the SEC, the ACC,
and Big 12. Proclaiming that Boise St and byu are BCS caliber. Where does that
come from??"Answer: From the "uneducated" fans that
Bronco was talking about.
@ 10-34 etc. in BountifulYour display name would be much more
fitting if you used the records of the teams that BYU has played this year -
better yet, you could use the winning records of the teams that BYU has
beaten.....oh yeah, nevermind, to short.
hohum:"The Y is not so insecure that it would take an
affiliation with a bcs conference as a bottom feeder, just to say 'I belong',
yes but I loose [sic] every conference game. 'But I belong.'"Actually, the Y IS! They tried hitching their mid-majored selves to the
Pac-12 -- a conference they refer to as "bigotted" -- but were
unsuccessful. They THEN tried to do so likewise with the Big XII, but like the
Pac-12, that AQ conference didn't want them. Now the cougars will try to invite
themselves to the Big East. And in every case, the cougars will blow smoke
about how wonderful their Independence situation is, and how their WAC schedule
is stronger than Utah's Pac-12 schedule. THAT's
"insecure".Know what ELSE is "insecure"?
Babbling at length how the 54-10 losers -- on their own home field no less --
are really the better team because they beat 6 teams with a cumulative record of
14-29 [0.326]. By way of comparison, Utah beat 3 teams with MORE wins [17-7,
0.708].So don't talk to Utah fans about "insecurity". You
guys have OWNED that title for the past 20-yrs.
I think a lot of people are missing the point about joining the Big East.
Money. Let's face it, BYU's strength of schedule hasn't improved since leaving
the Mountain West, but its financial situation has. I don't know what BYU's
current deal pays them, but the reports have all said Boise State would be in
line to earn 8 to 10 million a year by joining the Big East. If that is better
than your current deal, take it.BYU as an independent doesn't stand much
of a chance to land a BCS bid, so why wouldn't you look at a conference that
does, even if it isn't as strong as some of the other conferences? I think if
Boise, Houston, SMU and BYU all joined the Big East, they'd keep their BCS bid.
The BCS wouldn't want to deal with the fallout of dropping a conference, and it
would put the teams most likely to earn a non-AQ bid in a BCS league, freeing up
an extra spot for the major conferences
@Pac12proud"Where does that come from?? byu has done nothing in
the BCS. "BYU has consistently been ranked somewhere around
20th-70th in the sagarin rankings the past decade and considering there are
around 60 BCS teams... and Colorado is ranked 120th (Utah and BYU are currently
51st and 59th respectively last I checked)... BYU totally is worthy of being in
BYU was in a super conference (the old WAC). BYU and Utah led the revolt to from
the MWC. Big12 is in a bit of a shambles. PAC12 is locked and not looking
(currently) at a 16-team scenario. Notre Dame is still independent and doing
fine.If Big12 offers, BYU should take it, even though they would be
middle of the pack most years. If not, stay independent. Use the Boise State
formula to get ranked: Play and beat a couple of big name teams, play and beat a
few BCS also-rans, then play a half dozen cupcakes and waltz to the BCS game.Then win the BCS game. Upset a SEC or Big12 team and voila! These goofy conference alignments don't look very appealing to me.
Naval Vet,Can you spell "Sunday". All the blue smoke is
meaningless. Sundy play is why BYU is not in the Big 12. It is also why BYU is
not in the PAC with Utah instead of Colo. You need to be careful when you talk
about bottom feeders in a new conference. Colo did not need to buy their way
in. They are receiving full membership money this year. The other school is
Trendster about softball.BYU is not playing WCC softball because it
is not sponsored by the conference. Right now with BYU they only have 5 or 6
schools playing softball. BYU softball has joined the WAC conference for one
year. There is talk that more WCC schools will pickup softball. I
believe BYU's swimming and diving programs are in the Mountain Pacific Sports
group, same place where men's volleyball play.All in all, it is
these "other" sports and BYU's refusal to make them play on Sunday
that is the big issue with the big conferences. As an example, if you haven't
noticed many of the Utah's conference soccer games have been on Sunday. You
will see more in women's bball, and the spring sports.
@Naval VetYou protesteth way too much.Insecure?.....look
in the mirror.
Lanius, Records matter very little outside of your own team's. Teams all the
time lose to competition they should be beating. Case in point is probably best
proven by your alleged team the Utes..... The Utes have beaten an 0-0 MSU team
that is 7-1 (probably 8-1 by approval of this comment) a 1-1 BYU team that is 3
games better in the win column than Utah, a 3-3 Pitt team from the Wac of the
East that is still struggling to be .500. Losses against teams with winning
records one of which 3-3 California at the time which went 4-3 thanks to the U's
ineptness at football this season. BYU hasn't been in a BCS conference, hasn't
played or won any BCS Bowl games... Yet, BYU hasn't spit in the face of the
conference who invited them into the 'elite' of college football when everyone
expected better of them. Utah's record is deplorable. If you can beat Alabama
why on earth can't you beat California? When is the last time California won a
championship conference or national? We expected better from Utah GO OSU!
10-34, 14-35, 14-31, 14-23 0-4:"BYU hasn't spit in the face of
the conference who invited them into the 'elite' of college football when
everyone expected better of them."And neither had Utah. Utah
is 3-0 in non-conference games this season. It's the OOC record that weighs the
heaviest in determining the strength of one's conference; not one's record vs.
other conference members. All conferences will post an aggregate conference
record of .500, because for every conference game, one team will win, and the
other will lose. I know cougar fans hate this, but try to follow the math.Utah lost to USC(3-1), ASU(3-1), Washington(3-1), and Cal(1-3). That
brings their aggregate record to 10-6. Add in Utah's 0-4 and we're 10-10. Now let's suppose Utah beat all 4 opponents. In this case, USC would
now be 2-2; ASU 2-2; UWa. 2-2, and Cal 0-4. Collectively, they would have been
6-10. Adding Utah's record of 4-0 and we are back to 10-10.CONCLUSION: Utah has done nothing to harm the Pac-12's reputation.54-10!