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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 26 2011 6:30 p.m. MDT

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Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

The numbers in the article are misleading because, once again, the research doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal.
As far as Georgia is concerned, their issues are a direct result of allowing illegal activity to go on for so long. Its going to hurt at first but by swallowing this painful pill now they limit the long term damage as their economy adjusts and becomes healthy again.
The longer Utah waits to truly address this issue (as Georgia has done)the more painful the pill will be to swallow. No bill passed in the last legislative session makes any real effort at curbing our illegal immigration issues in the state. They only serve to reward lawbreakers, provide pseudo enforcement, and maintain the status quo for the employers and supporters of illegals.
Wages and costs of doing business have been artificially suppressed by those who have chosen to participate in, or turn a blind eye to, illegal activities. Those same criminal employers and "hand sitting" politicians would like us to forget the damage they have done and instead give them a pat on the back for the flawed legislation they are shoving down our throats.

RRB
SLC, UT

Statistics are irrelevant, we are talking illegal immigration, the numbers should reflect their numbers only.

Georgia lost 300 million because the farmers refused to use the guest worker program in effect there H-2A. Americans will work when the wage matches the job. If agriculture wants cheap labor, they need to change the H-2A visa like it was before Obamas administration made it cost double.

Once again an article that only addresses agriculture, a business that emplys less than 10% of the illegal workforce.

"Her job, she said, is to tell the story of the numbers, which can tell a different story than the rhetoric." (then just do illegal immigrants. There are other ethnic groups that are not Hispanic that are here illegally)Otherwise the study is pure rhetoric.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

Not all Hispanics are here illegally, and not all people here illegally are Hispanic. I don't see how the graphs fit into this "immigration" summit. But then again, it's not really about immigration, but about illegal aliens, isn't it?

Between the Republicans protecting business's cheap labor, and the Democrats vision of millions of new voters, enough to sway elections, the core dishonesty of this country is showing.

My relatives in Athens (Georgia) could of helped out the farmers if they wanted (retired), same with their grandchildren. But people there are so upset over illegal immigration and the mess it has caused, they would not set foot on the farms. They don't know where all these rotting crops are. All the farms around them were picked.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Was this meeting closed door? How can they have honest discussion with the public input being shut out?

ufound10
duquesne, pa

I live in Georgia 3/4 of the time ,I haven't noticed a major change in food prices esp. since the crack down on illegals.
Farmers have complained , because their use to the cheap labor,there are programs that allow guest workers to come and work on farmers. Farmers say the forms for guest workers are to complicated to fill out and it takes too long for the government to give the ok for the workers.I don't mind paying extra for food if it means employing US citizens.I agree with Gov. Deal of Georgia for cracking down on illegals that cost GA 1.2 billion a year, to tax payers of Georgia.
The writer of this article another liberal, left winger who doesn't see the true negative effects of illegals on our society which is too long to mention.
Obama and his back door amnesty programs have only made things worse allowing 300,000 illegals work permits which can lead to citizenship if they haven't committed any crimes in the last ten years, the point is their here in this country illegally already , therefore, they have broken the laws.

RichardB
Murray, UT

"State Sen. Luz Robles, D- Salt Lake, talks with Mexican Consul Socorro Rovirosa during the immigration conference"

The same Socorro Rovirosa who led the Hispanic's at the state fair into into multiple "Viva Mexico" shouts?

He had no reason to be there.

RichardB
Murray, UT

"A lower labor supply would result in higher labor costs. However, product costs would also rise."

In agriculture we have unlimited visas. Most business that hire people illegally pocket the money. Product costs may or may not rise, but would be offset by the reduce taxpayers load on the citizen. Besides, wages would go up and we could better afford it.

You can't justify illegal immigration as an economic issue. Otherwise you are inviting every man woman and child worse off than you, to take your possessions.

Using illegal labor that steal our jobs and ids, shows are generation that we are a morally corrupt society.

Legal
Salt Lake City, UT

Just ONCE I'd be interested in hearing about the millions we lose/it costs due to the many crimes committed by illegal aliens - along with the abuse of emergency room services and education costs etc. On 10/21 we can read that Mex. president Calderon now blames the U.S. for the increase in crime since more criminals are being deported. Really? I recently got my tax notice with a significant increase in what I will have to pay. Over 80% of the money goes to the Granite School District in one form or another. How much of that is funding programs that are necessitated by kids whose parents came here illegaly or kids that are undocumented? THAT is news I'd like to get from the Deseret News instead of the barrage of articles trying to make me stop seeing the overwhelmingly negative impact illegals have on my community and me.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I wonder how wide the brush was that they used to whitewash this. I do not believe this story and again they blur the line between illegal and legal.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Any time the number of criminals in our communities decreases, this is a good thing.

Muy Bien!

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The Pew Hispanic Center's chief demographer is Jeffrey Passel, formerly of the census bureau. He calculates the number of illegal aliens by using the remainder method and a 10% undercount factor.
The assumption is that 90% of all foreign-born will respond to the census (including the illegal aliens). We know who is naturalized. We know who has a green card. The remainder must be the number of illegal aliens.
Bad assumption. When Passel was telling us 12 million illegal aliens, other sources had it at 20 million based on school enrollment and housing data.
The Idaho professor is basing her data on Pew.
But anecdotes and shaky data are just what a conference like this one thrives on.

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

Huge factor in the problem is the governor general Shurtleff. Is he opposed to seeing reality?

Instead of trying to oppose the people of the state he should offer to hire people who will systematically assist in the deportation of the thousands of illegals, Hispanic or other.

That would lower unemployment, would increase the number of jobs by taking away people who are here and hired illegally. It would lower taxes, medical costs and educational costs foisted on the taxpayer by lax enforcement of existing laws.

It would raise tax revenues for the state as those working would be paying taxes.

In Utah, medical costs for illegals are in excess of $1,000,000 monthly and that money can hire a lot of people to assist with the removal of illegals.

BoomerJeff
Saint George, UT

My best friend was in a motorcycle accident and he is unable to have kids. An illegal alien hit him and changed his life forever. Had we inforced the laws, my friend would now be a father and grandfather. So this article seems like a joke to me.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

They really need to leave the legal Hispanics alone. They are American's first and foremost. Lets keep it straight. Illegal Immigrants are not citizens and should have no right to be here. Those hiring them are breaking the law. Those renting to them are breaking the law. Benefits they get off of the tax payers back should not even exist. Those people at that meeting are all breaking the law. Follow the law, we get our jobs back. our taxes go down, our jails are less full, our police officers are safe and we can control a terrible gang and drug problem in this state. Why does nobody mention this at those meetings?

Monsieur le prof
Sandy, UT

Even if only 1/3 of the immigrants have come here in the past 10 years, that's stll a sizeable amount that shouldn't be here at all. The comment about the Hispanic use of health care not being "disproportionate" makes no sense, either. If its use is illegal and costs taxpayers money, then it is still a drain on the economy.

Again, not differentiating between legal and illegal makes the article useless, although I suspect most were illegal.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder if those being paid with OUR tax dollars ever feel guilty about representing the interests of illegal trespassers from other countries over the interests of LEGAL TAXPAYING American citizens?

Probably not!

Hawkins
HURRICANE, UT

Marjorie Cortez you are supposed to be be a investigative reporter! Investigate this and rewrite your story.
Uphold the laws that we have now...First! Save your petty for someone else.

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Babies born to illegal alien mothers within U.S. borders are called anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of other relatives into permanent U.S. residency. (Jackpot babies is another term).

The United States did not limit immigration in 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified. Thus there were, by definition, no illegal immigrants and the issue of citizenship for children of those here in violation of the law was nonexistent. Granting of automatic citizenship to children of illegal alien mothers is a recent and totally inadvertent and unforeseen result of the amendment and the Reconstructionist period in which it was ratified.

2funny
midvale, utah

Why is it that all these stories try to make illegals as not doing nothing wrong??? I just dont understand can i break the law if im only tring to make me a better life????

oldasdirt
Grantsville, UT

I am confused if I have to say undocumented immigrants for those illegal aliens , do I have to call a bank robber a non depositing bank customer?

CJ
Murray, UT

More DN propaganda with the never ending pictures of Luz Robles, the representative of the Mexican government in the Utah legislature.

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