Duckhunter,Just want to point out that there is a large difference
between my comment where I said "haven't chosen to come" and yours
where you say they "don't want to come".Haven't is past
tense, don't is present tense. The recruiting situation has already improved at
the QB position with guys like Travis Wilson committing to the Utes. But
obviously that will take time to turn out in our favor.Oh, and
coaches can try as they will to get a commit, offer them everything, and the kid
may still choose another school for many reasons such as parent's desires,
friends, etc. Its not as easy to get a commit as you make it seem by saying
"If the coaches have recruited poorly, or else have been unable to close
the deal with recruits, it is a problem with the coaches."
little ute fans like CTJ are still delusional. In fact there isn't a single game
left that isn't a 'maybe' and I'm sorry, you won't ccompete for the upper half
of this conf for at least a decade, and even then, only sporatically at best.
Further - a lot of you seem to think you'll automatically get better
recruiting and make huge strides in the obvious current lack of talent due to
the addional $$ coming. Why? All your competitors are getting just as much extra
$$ and already have better facilities. You will ALWAYS face a large
budget/revenue deficit compared to your bigger rivals (USC,UW, UO with sugar
daddy phil, UCLA and ASU). Your days of being dominant are done. Don't get me wrong, getting into the PAC was a huge win for the school, but I
think your success in football will suffer greatly. Frankly, I don't see a BCS
bowl, let alone a Rose Bowl, for at least a decade, maybe longer. Not hating,
I'm a Dawg that just saw my team blasted, but this is the ute reality.
The Utes should be just fine, they should be able to compete in the years to
come. Face it the pac12 isn't a power conference when it comes to football, in
fact the rest of there games this year may be the easiest remaining schedule in
the country. Oregon State is the best team left, they're getting better. But
Colorado is horrible, so is washington state, and UCLA and Arizona. If they
can't beat atleast 3 of those teams they are a bad football team. I don't think
they're that bad so I think they'll go bowling.
@ Duckhunter | 1:58 p.m. Oct. 23, 2011 Highland, UT Still
boycotting the Cougar articles? 54-10 is so painful to you.
@uteovertide"But to say it is completely a recruiting problem
is not fully accurate either. Our coaches have gone after guys like Michael
Eubanks with big offers. They just haven't chosen to come to Utah."That should tell you something. They don't want to come. And yes that is
completely a recruiting problem. If they cannot convince a decent qb recruit to
come then it is a major problem. As far as "what is a coach supposed to
do"? Well they are supposed to close the deal with recruits. All of utah's
problems are directly related to coaching. That is how it is with almost every
team. If the coaches have recruited poorly, or else have been unable to close
the deal with recruits, it is a problem with the coaches. If the
offense is terrible it is because either the coaches recruited poorly or else
the coaching itself is poor. Or in this case it appears to be both. Terrible
recruiting neglect for qb's and the oline as well as a washed up offensive
coordinator just trying to milk out a few more paychecks.These are
long term problems. There are no quick fixes. It's gonna hurt.
The thing is they wouldn't even of had Hays if Nebraska-Omaha doesn't drop its
program. So the recruiting of QB's, or lack thereof, is much more troubling than
it even looks...
yankees27,Lofty goals, but in order to do that you'll have to out-recruit
USC, UCLA, Arizona, and Arizona St. I don't see that happening anytime soon. To
win in this conference, it's going to be a lot tougher than it use to be.
I too find it hard to understand why there has been very shaky QB depth for
years at Utah, and why the coaching staff went "all in" on Wynn. It
was a gamble that has not paid off. Look at last last season. Look at this
season. But, to say it is completely a recruiting problem is not
fully accurate either, in my opinion. Our coaches have gone after guys like
Michael Eubanks with big offers. They just haven't chosen to come to Utah.
What is a coach supposed to do about that? Besides, would a freshman or
sophomore backup be able to help now?
yankees 27 "I think everyone needs to remember that not having Wynn is more
than half the reason we're losing these games."and not having
Christopher is nearly the other half.Utah needs more depth on
offense. But, I still give a very high grade to the defense.
Disappointing to say the least. I thought that Utah was starting to get their
offense on track last week against Pitt but they took two steps back this week.
I am again wondering if they will be able to beat anyone besides Colorado and
maybe UCLA. I don't see them beating Arizona or WSU.
I think everyone needs to remember that not having Wynn is more than half the
reason we're losing these games. I agree that the coaches should have prepared
better for the possibility of losing Wynn, and obviously Hays wasn't the right
choice, but not having a QB who can make any decision is like gifting the
defense with a win. And everyone who thinks this is the norm for us in this
conference is crazy! We'll have kids coming in who will help, the coaches
(hopefully) recognize that playing top caliber talent every week, you need 2nd
and 3rd teamers who can play when needed and be ready when called upon. Playing
against the New Mexico's and UNLV's you could get away with rusty backups, but
we can't anymore! We will win the south and play for the PAC12 championship
within 3 years.
The formula to beat Utah is out in the open since the Utah offense is on injury
leave.How to beat Utah...1.) Don't let the Utah defense score.
Better to punt the ball than let Utah force turnovers.2.) Extra field time
for Utah's offense won't hurt. Better than Utah's defense on the field.Reminds me of the big hitter that no one will pitch to.
C'mon Ute fans! Don't do the same thing to your football program
that you have done with your basketball program! Don't get down on
them because they had a bad game. They need your support.
Everybody keeps tooting Chow's horn but, really, since he was at USC what has he
really showed as far as his "offensive genius" goes?Tennessee Titans = nothing.UCLA = nothingLast six or
seven years = nothing.Place the blame on the players if you want,
but the coaching staff as a whole (as shown in this game) = 0.00.
Laser I agree, Cal discovered the winning formula, and unless Hays can manage to
not turn the ball over, and the O-line learns how to block teams are going to
keep doing the same thing
The Utes chance to make noise and build depth in a legit conference had to start
this year. Their momentum from before could have been used to propel them up
with the advantages they now have. Now, I am not sure the Utes do have anything.
After years of competing without the benefits of BCS money and
exposure, it was vital to represent well the first year. Recruits will be lost
from the program because it will be widely viewed as a joke.Not
having a legitimate recruit at QB in case Wynn went down was inexcusable. I love the depth at Defensive Line. Kyle is a defensive guy. But to not
give your offense under Chow, a chance to succeed is disgraceful.I
don't need to go. I don't want heads to roll. I will support my Utes regardless.
That said, I might be supporting a 6-6 team each year. I am afraid the Utes blew
their window and will stink for years to come.I am down.I will keep showing up loud at home and trying to believe. The Ute team looks
to me to be lacking belief. I hope Kyle hasn't lost his team.
Come on people, I think CU is on the schedule and they just score two points at
home against Oregon. So I'll go out on a limb and say Utah beats the Buffs.As far as the grade goes, I would give the team a Z minus if that was
possible.Very disappointing game. I have also posted that it is
quite unbelievable that the coaches would have been in such a fragile state with
their QB's to start the season. While I believe Coach Whittingham is one of the
best coaches in the country overall, this was a huge blunder which can't be
sugar coated.I still see Utah beating CU, UCLA and if the Utes can
either beat AZ, WAZZU or Oregon State I think 6-6 is still in the works. End
the end maybe 7-5 is most likely but also a likely a common future record for
the Utes in the PAC-12.
After Cal showed the rest of the PAC 12 how to beat Utah, I don't see another
win on the schedule, maybe WSU.
The entire team gets an F.The coaching staff should have known that
Cal would put 8-10 in the box and force Hays to beat them. Hays looked
absoultly horrendous.I had us going 8-4. But I think we can easily
lose to @Arizona seeing how the dismantled UCLA and @Washington State looks
more, and more loss. Even 6-6 looks questionable.I have no idea how
Kyle could go into a PAC-12 season with an injury prone QB and not a single
division one QB as backup.