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Published: Friday, Oct. 21 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Linda A
Orem, UT

I was a Mormon, and it definitely fits the definition of a "cult." Yes, I know ... I believed it with all my heart and soul once, too. But when you step outside of it and look back, it's quite obvious.

Dexter Maven
OGDEN, UT

Mormons should stop being so sensitive. Christianity was considered a cult of Judaism because it venerated the prophet Jesus. This "sect" of Christianity called "The Way" in the New Testament was considered blasphemous by Jews of its day.

In the early centuries AD, the councils of Nicaea and Chalcedon formulated views on the trinity that have been historically accepted by all mainstream Christianity. Centuries later, the Christian church broke into Eastern Orthodoxy and Western Orthodoxy (Catholicism). Both believed in the orthodox trinity.

The Reformation brought about additional sects (divisions), viewed as "cults" by the Catholic Church because they generally involved personalities (Luther, Calvin, etc). All of these views of Christianity (Lutheran, Reformed, Baptist) believed in the orthodox view of the trinity.

Mormonism does not believe in the orthodox view of the trinity. Additionally, Mormonism is considered a "cult" because additional revelation was given to new prophets. Mormonism is not mainstream Christianity anymore than "The Way" was mainstream Judaism when additional "revelation" was given to its prophets (Jesus, John, Peter, etc).

Early Christians of The Way were a cult. Mormonism is a cult. This is how orthodoxy views new strands of religion. Is it true? That is the question.

DonO
Draper, UT

Great column. Absolutely spot on. As far as mudslinging and anti-Mormon epithets are concerned, as the old chestnut goes, "You ain't seen nothin' yet!" And what difference does (or will) all the hyperbole make in the overall eternal scheme of things? Not one scintilla. The scriptures counsel, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Good advice for all of us.

Pragmatic
Salt Lake City, UT

Great advice. Ignore it! Stop finding joy in being persecuted. Get on with your life!

ShaunMcC
La Verkin, UT

Any time you upset the apple cart by challenging what has been, you will be labelled and attempts will be made to marginalize or demonize your efforts. It happened to the early Christians, it happened to the reformers and it has and is happening to "mormons". I agree with the sentiment of the article, but I don't think silence is the answer. I think it appropriate to respond, but peacefully. One of the greatest principles I have learned is to "speak the truth with love". It is my hope to always do so. Those who choose to attack with misrepresentations and name-calling eventually end up looking shallow and mean spirited. If the way they act is what they mean by "Christian" then I am happy to simply be called a humble follower of Christ instead.

ejohn162
draper, UT

Oftentimes we make assumptions and judgments about other religions and groups and we think we are right, and even if they say otherwise oftentimes we say pfft, whatever, you are too a __ fill in the blank. How often do we try to research and understand from legitimate sources? There are people who are quite vocal about their negative beliefs of the Church. And whether we declare boldly in all caps statements that we are NOT this or we ARE that, those people will still believe what they believe unless they research the legitimate sources. I learned in Sociology that there is a cult, sect and church- a cult is generally seen as a negative thing but really a cult is a group that is seen as strange or different to the rest of society. When the church was first formed it was a cult, then as more people began to accept and understand it and join, it became a sect and then it grew even more and became more widely acceptable and became considered a church.

jetgirl
MAPLE VALLEY, WA

Amen sister. I try not to dwell on the negative things people say about us. Why? Because my testimony is rooted in my love of my Savior, not in the things people think about me. I will answer questions about it, but it does no good to lash out and be angry. Contention does the exact opposite of what we're trying to do: teach people about Jesus Christ.

TryingToBeLikeJesus
UMATILLA, OR

I appreciated this article.. but I agree that we need to speak out, but deff in a Christian way.. peacefully. Haters are haters.. they will only see light when they are ready. When THEY want to know about the church.. sincerely, they will come to an ACTIVE member to hear the truth of what we believe and stop jumping on band wagons blindly.. such nonsense and immaturity.

Oh..and btw... Tell me Please.. How ANY person can believe God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are ONE PERSON after Ready Act 7 vs 55-56??

"But he being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and SAW God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, (56) And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."

Doe These People Actually READ there OWN Scriptures?? KJV of course...

Coug
Pleasant Grove, UT

An old proverb states, "The proof is in the pudding". Naysayers may nay, but there is no getting around the kind of people this gospel produces.

When a person faithfully adheres to gospel principles, one becomes hard pressed to find better people anywhere.

DJB
Corona, CA

I agree that we are not to get defensive or lose civility. But I disagree that we do not say anything about whether we are Christians or not. I believe it is a serious mistake to permit anyone to say we are not Christian, without a response. I disagree with Teryl Givens, there is no such thing as a follower of Christ who is not Christian.Remaining silent has been the PR approach of the Church in the past, and polling shows that only permitted the idea that we where a cult to increase. In this day and age, we have to take control of our image or others will shape it for us, despite our many little service projects.

Your view runs contrary to the current practice of the Church. Public Affairs Director Michael Otterson, continuoulsy writes on a blog for the Washington Post defending the Church.

It is extremely naive to believe you can simply ignore attacks. We may as well ignore everything going on in the world and live in little dream worlds where everything is great.

I would invite everyone into the real world where words matter, image matters, and truth.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

"hard pressed to find better people anywhere". There you go again!
You are never going to make friends saying you are better than everyone else.

Just an old guy
Centerville, UT

Who cares? I don't. Say what you may, act as you may it will all be lost in the noise of eternity. Believe or don't believe, be a member, non-member or former member; GOD gave you the agency to do just that. Use your agency with wisdom, because you get to live with your decisions. As for me, I believe that I am a Christian, however I often fall short of what I believe that means. I think the Church is guided by "big boys" who have been around the block, understand the PR game, and for the most part choose not to play the game. If you choose to play it, fine, enjoy yourself.

A1994
Centerville, UT

Any church member who was truly offended or upset by being called a cult member needs to go on a mission and knock on doors for several hours. It gives you a think skin.

It doesn't bother me when people call the church a cult. It doesn't even bother me when people who have left the church claim that the rest of us haven't enlightened ourselves like they have.

The Church will continue to go for boldly and nobly and, most important, independently. It will never be popular. The gospel has never been that way. So don't worry what a pastor in Texas thinks. It's not worth getting upset about.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

I find it to be a semantical argument. Isn't the difference between a religion and a cult simply a head count?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Vote for the mormon guy. You'll survive.

Phila
BELLE PLAINE, KS

Tomorrow I will sub for our Sunday School teacher and our lesson is on Paul-A Chosen Vessel. I think in this case with there being a LDS running for President and also being at the top, we could learn much from Paul's examples. I know my Savior, I know the teaching of my belief, and so I try to overlook what is said about my faith. Christ Himself, was not recognized as the Savior, and I am no better than He. If we will follow the examples of our Savior Jesus Christ and Paul, and when speaking, do it with love and firmness, who knows who the spirit will touch? We cannot follow the examples of those who do not understand we must follow the counsel of Luke, "But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you" Luke 6:27

A_Zion_State_O'Mind
FAIR OAKS, CA

I was born a Southern Baptist, was baptized into the LDS Church at 12(because I saw such a difference in my Mother)was never ridiculed by extended family who are still Baptist. At 19 went on a Mission for the Church to England where among other things had rocks thrown at me(real rocks) no problem. Went into the Army as a practicing Mormon never a problem(to my face they knew better); went to university confronted much opposition, no problem. Then about 20 years ago I begin meeting fundamentalist Christians who'd say that I'm not Christian, a problem. I take every opportunity when confronted with this comment to dispute & explain (in a Christian manner) that yes I'm Christian & why I'm a Christian (even though like everyone I fall short) So far some very spiritual conversations & good friends(who happen to be Fundamentalist Christian) & together we find what we can agree on. Thank you Brother Flowers & Sister Kendrick.

bl357
SCOTTSDALE, AZ

These recommendations are great for anyone, no matter their religion. I will work to focus my energy on what is productive.
Thanks

grimalkin
Sandy, Utah

I understand getting a little tired of the battle, as Sister Kendrick talks about. But I also know that the leaders of the church have advised us to get involved in electronic media and to defend and explain our beliefs and to let people get to know us.

Most comments I read, responding to electronic media articles, that are obviously from LDS are very respectful. Every now and then I also see comments defending us from non-LDS who are tired of the vicious attacks against LDS.

So when people get tired of the fray they just need to step back for awhile to clear their vision, but don't make the mistake of attacking those who are trying to bring some truth and understanding to others by getting involved in the electronic media.

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