This is just silly. Don't the "sins" he confessed to in this video
make him prime "court of love" material? If he'd just been an
average guy who the church hadn't been able to use as a "celebrity"
poster boy, they probably would have excommunicated him instead.
I attended a fireside in Oct. of 2012 in Henderson, NV. The main speakers were
Brandon and his wife. He bore his testimony, it was beautiful and simple. He now
has an eternal family. I admire the guy for his faith.
I took some CDs out of the library and gave them an honest listen. Below are
some lyrics that stuck out for me and caused me to think that at some point,
Brandon is going to need to decide whether he wants to be the pied piper of the
ambivalent, oversexualized, "me first" generation or serve the Lord
with his tremendous talent and gifts. Maybe he's already making that decision
(some of these lyrics are older) but as we all know, you can't serve God and
Mammon, and you can't keep a summer home in Babylon. Brandon Flowers lyrics:
"Leave the bourbon on the shelf And I'll drink it by myself" "And
my stomach is sick And it's all in my head But she's touching his
chest Now, he takes off her dress Now, letting me go""You
got a real short skirt I want to look up, look up, look up, yeah yeah" And
these are the lyrics the song that was featured in the Mormon spot... (look up
the lyrics to Crossfire by Brandon Flowers)
Right on @volcal local. While I have no problem with B-Flowers being any kind of
Mormon, it disappear that he is a cultural Mormon, rather than someone who is
converted because of the doctrine. Most of my family are active and they are
almost all cultural Mormons. Most don't know more than what they have been
taught, never read any scriptures or studied any church history. This is fine,
the one thing I like with the I'm an ex-Mormon videos better than the I'm a
Mormon videos are the ex videos say why they no longer believe whereas the pro
videos give the image that I'm a normal person who does normal things, and hey,
I'm a Mormon too. They're great videos. The church always produces quality
work, I just wish they had more substance, like I'm a Mormon because of of what
D&C 132 teaches about families, that we follow the New Testament teachings
of being joint-heirs of Christ. I've been a killers fan since I first heard them
in 2004 and am thankful to them for bringing Joy Division back to the populace,
I think its fantastic that the I'm a Mormon segments are filled with everyday
Joe's and a few celebs who are less than perfect. It shows what the gospel is
all about. Those who think they are part of an elite group of perfect people by
being Mormon are fools.
I am proud of Brandon Flowers and proud he is a member of the church. Reading
interviews years ago, I felt bad for him because he gets it from both sides -
media expecting him to be what a rock star supposedly should be and church
members expecting him to live the Gospel. It bothered him that people assumed
he was ex-Mormon. I love that he came right out and said that he wasn't
ex-Mormon - he just struggled at living it.A lot of people struggle
to live it and he has had to deal with that in the spotlight. I don't care that
he's not a perfect Mormon. I love that he had the courage to state so
emphatically that he is a Mormon.
To the critics: For some of you I agree to some of your comments. However,
unless Ryan has requested his name to be removed from the records of the Church
he is still a member of the Church and will remain so. Whether he is practicing
or not is what he will be judged on. It is not up to us to decide or judge him.
However, a Bishop or Stake President may do so and inform him if they really
wanted to. It is up to them not the normal every day member.Secondly, being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is
more than just going to Church on Sunday. It is a lifestyle like no other. You
either live it or you don't. Everyone does so in their own ways. The
missionaries go door-to-door proclaiming the RESTORATION of the Gospel of Jesus
Christ. You may either let them in or not. You may take offense or not at
their teachings. In the end it will be your judgement that decides that for
you. However, to say they are bigots for doing so is totally wrong.
@bballjunkie,Is it being a bigot when you are sharing the 'truth'
you know? Your men come to our doors and tell us our faith is "an
abomination" (indirectly, you won't learn that till later) and that they
have the only truth. Is it bigotry for a religion to tell you your beliefs are
an abomination? That's what the LDS church has told everyone from it's
I am a Mormon, and I would rather be that than.....and that's good for me. You know it is a good thing that so many people can say what they want
against those of the Mormon faith or the faith itself. And it ok, but anyone who
stands up or speaks out against a lot of the bigotry is seen as a (fill in the
blank there is a bunch of things you can add). Name something else
you can be a bigot about and get away with it?
I had no idea who Brandon Flowers was till I read this article. (Im into country
music). I am glad that he did it and that he felt good doing it.
I just want to clarify my remark. I would think no less of Brandon Flowers if
he is not an active Mormon. Quite honestly if he sees Mormonism as simpiy a
lifestyle or culture I'd like him as much or more since I personally don't
believe Mormonism. If he is a loving father/husband that only superficially
believes/follows Mormonism (and yes, I can only speculate) then I think that is
wonderful.My concern is that this video, and the "I'm a
Mormon" campaign in general, suggest the Church is quote open-with
relatively broad lifestyle and belief parameters. Yet if one goes to Church the
message is that people who don't embrace ALL the beliefs and commandments are in
spiritual peril and are even a potential spiritual danger to those around them.
Those with even minor 'obedience' issues-like drinking coffee or alchohol-are
denied full participation in wedding ceremonies and other ordinances. Likewise
people like myself, who are willing to comply with Church's standards but who do
not believe the Church's teachings-are not allowed at temple weddings or to
participate in other ordinances. To me this campaign suggests an openness that
misrepresents the Church experience.
PA Rock Man Some also questioned whether Barack Obama was black enough, if you
recall. Clearly, people in ALL groups do this mismeasure another against a
false standard theyve mistakenly set. However, for you to generalize that it is
only intermountain west Mormons that think like this is symptomatic of YOU
making this same error.
I love this. I love how much publicity the LDS faith is getting. I absolutely
love it. Do you think it a coincedence?Could you imagine the
prophets of old seeing what is going on right now? Their religion being
broadcasted around the entire world at the click of a mouse? Their religion
being cited and mentioned and discussed on television every night? It would
absolutely blow their minds.More people are becoming more and more
aquainted with "Mormonism" each and everyday. I love it! Haters hate
but actually help.I love seeing it all play out. LOVE IT.
@Shaun,"I would rather be a rockstar, actor, or a truck driver
than a mormon, but everybody has different views of life."And
you're free to do that. I would rather do just about anything than be a Mormon
too, but as said, everybody has different views of life. Some live THEIR life,
some life OTHER'S life.
Shaun, have you lived in Utah your whole life?... thought so
I am also in the group that have never heard of Brandon Flowers. However,
having said that, I have watched a few of the I'm a Mormon videos and also read
people's testimonies of Christ on the "Mormon dot org" site. All of
the messages I've read and all of the video's I've seen suggest to me that only
those who truly have a testimony of the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and want
to share that message with the world - create a video or put their testimony on
the site.Someone who is only casually/culturally associated with the
church, most likely would never create a video or put their testimony on the
site.Just my opinion.
So, let me get this straight. The church uses Brandon Flowers to help its PR
image, but BYU won't have Kirby Heyborne as a visitor to teach about acting
because he is in a Budweiser commercial?
So dang neat.
I gave you a "Recommend", CareyF, because it looks like you Understand
what religion is about. You too, Metamoracoug;
wow hold on with the attacks here people, let's all keep it calm...
Being Married 6 years, Its just been such a great experience and overflowing of
that love that I didnt know was there before, he said. Thats what is important
to me."---Congratulations Brandoon, but are you one
of those who are willing to keep that same love from others? Are
you an "I'm a Mormon, and I'm for equality" or are you an "I'm a
Mormon, and I reject that same-sex couples deserve the same benefits I
receive" kind of Mormon?Inquiring minds want to know.
@metamoracougLove your story. I try to take my kids to church
whenever we travel to see what LDS life is like outside Utah. In
Taylorsville, you must dress like IBM salesmen to participate with the
Who is to say that he wasn't less active and now he is active. Lots of great
people have made mistakes and come back. That is the beauty of the atonement and
the beauty of our doctrine. We believe in repentance--we believe in change--we
believe in doing better--and mostly we believe in forgiving and accepting
others. I don't think Brandon Flowers would have made an "I'm a
Mormon" video if he wasn't.
@metamoracougIf you and your wife get into long hair, that's great!
I have no problem with that. That's one reason why I chose the University of
Utah over BYU. I enjoyed the diversity there. The crowd at LES reminds me of the
clone army.@SpringvillepoetThe Killers rock! Sam's Town,
Hot Fuss, Day & Age. All great albums!
When I was little I blamed everything bad on my little brother. It is kind of
funny how this method is also found within religion.
I watched the video on Mormon.org with no problem. I attempted to view this on
YouTube to see how many people had viewed it. I use a popular free porn filter
and the "I am a Mormon" video was blocked!The filter
enforces safety mode on YouTube. What in the world is unsafe about watching a
video on family and faith? Besides Satan just who would be threatened by
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to turn this into a
"Utah" thing. One person takes a swipe at Brandon Flowers and it
immediately turns into a "Utah" thing. This is SOOOOO childish. The Lord has said, "If you are not one, you are not mine." We
need to stop criticizing each other based on where we are from and instead be
supporting each other. HONESTLY!!!!
springvillepoet: "ingrained in the Mormon culture itself"That statement is very insightful. The real key is determining what is Mormon
culture and actually Mormon religion -- because contrary to Mormon culture,
there is a difference.
Carey F: I agree fully with your thoughts though I think that problem is much
more severe in Utah and other high LDS population places. I grew up in
Minnesota where my family -- including my cigarette smoking dad -- was fully
active in the church. No one look down their noses at him. After graduating
from BYU, we (me, wife & kids) moved to Illinois. On a whim and because my
wife likes guys with long hair, I grew a pony tail. Still did all my home
teaching and fulfilled my callings (including ward mission leader). No one here
seemed too perturbed by the hair. Don't think that would have been the case if
we had been living in Utah.
To be honest...I didn't see this one coming.I commend Brandon for
finding something that works for him.
Vocal Local's comments about Brandon Flowers is symptomatic of a bigger problem
amongst intermountain west Mormons and that is their constant need to define
whether other people are "Mormon enough." This is the essentially the
same thing Evangelical Christians do when they say Mormon's are not Christians.
"Who gives them the right to define us?", Mormons say. Likewise,
orthodox Mormons are quick to define someone who is only a social member of the
Church as not a real Mormon because they don't believe every doctrine. For that
matter, they deny that fundamentalist polygamists sects are Mormons, even though
the fundamentalists clearly define themselves as such. These definitions are all
semantic, let everyone define Mormonism as they want and just encourage people
to live the best lives they can. Its obvious that is what Brandon Flowers is
attempting to do.
I personally believe all of the hype surrounding Mormon celebrities is ingrained
in the Mormon culture itself. All of those Mormon urban legends about who is a
Mormon, or who "received the lessons" is pure vanity on the part of
those who engage in the discussion.Frankly, I had never even heard
of Brandon Flowers until seeing this article. I am certain he is popular, and I
think it's great that he is proud enough to declare his faith publicly, but
that's about it. Anyone who has the integrity to state their beliefs in a
public forum and stick by them deserves credit. From what I have read I'm also
pretty sure Flowers doesn't think he deserves special credit for doing so,
either.As for making pronouncements about who is or is not
"mormony" enough . . . well, that's just childish to begin with, and
should be ignored. I for one have better things to do than worry about who is
doing enough in the Church to be considered a real Latter Day Saint.
It's funny how the kneejerk reaction to rockstar is that they can't possibly be
active in the LDS church. I think that's the point of the ad.
Boy, Mormons sure are touchy and "critical"....that's too bad.
Besides his life is none of your dang business.
@vocal local, I would guess you would be the same person who celebrates former
BYU Football players who are now in the NFL right? You are aware they play on
Sunday Right?If you took a moment to think about the entertainment
industry norms which I deal with, it is not that common for someone with any
level of fame to be in an ad like this.Hold your judgement to
yourself. You are not a better Mormon than anyone else and neither am I. We
are all beggars in this lifetime.
@vocallocal. How stupid do you think Brandon Flowers would have to be to
announce to the world in a church sponsored video that he is Mormon if he only
casually associates with it and sees it just as a "lifestyle". Either
you've never left Utah or never associated with the rest of the world because
being Mormon does nothing for one's success as the lead singer of a rock group.
Let God be the judge of a person's beliefs while the rest of us just enjoy the
good in the world.
"VocalLocal | 2:24 p.m. Oct. 19, 2011 Salt Lake, UTIt seems to
me that Brandon Flowers accepts Mormonism more as a lifestyle than a
religion."Nephi 9:28 ...and the keeper of the gate is the Holy
One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there....The above
scripture is one you might want to read and ponder Vocal Local because your
comments are very damaging. Get off your high horse.What his
business is with his church involvement is between HIM and the LORD, not you.Last I checked, no one needs church callings to get a Temple recommend.
His attendance is his business and his recommend is between him and his Bishop.
So unless you are his bishop then it is NO BUSINESS OF YOURS. If you are his
Bishop then you shouldn't be posting about his attendance.I am LDS
and I am proud of it, my personal details of my attendance and calling are none
of your business Vocal Local, it is for the Lord to decide my fate.
@ Vocal LocalI would recommend you don't make assumptions on someones
status in the church unless you know all the information you are claiming. Be
glad that someone like him is proud to say "I'm A Mormon!" Especially
someone in the entertainment industry!
I would rather be a rockstar, actor, or a truck driver than a mormon, but
everybody has different views of life.
Katherin Heigl has made public statements that she wants to get back in the
Church. She has done this a number of times. Unfortunately, it seems that
being in the entertainment industry makes it very difficult to stay in the
Church. It's really sad. It is my prayer that all these individuals will make
the decision to NOT sell their birthright for a mess of pottage and instead come
back to full activity. Brandon Flowers obviously came to the realization that
the things of the world did NOT fulfill him. Fame and fortune are only
fleeting. They have no power to bring true happiness or eternal joy.
Vocal Local:I wish you were less vocal. Do you really construe when
he says "I still have that fire burning in me" that he likes it just
for the culture? Or do you think that his past life experiences where he lived a
life very different from the mormon culture made him want to be a part of it?
Read the article from Spin a few years back, he makes it very clear
in there he believes the the faith but simply has a hard time living it (like we
all do). I read an article that came out recently where he said he really had a
desire to change his life recently and found himself back in church. You
projected your own assumption that he could only come back because of the
"love of families" even though it was never even referred to. Brandon Flowers is a great example. He never decided to turn against his
faith simply because he was having a hard time living it. Katherine Heigl was
quoted in an article as saying that she doesn't think she has been or is mature
enough at this point to live the mormon life. She never said she didn't believe
in it, she simply said she wasn't at a point where she could live it. I'm
grateful Brandon gave us another try even though we don't make those not falling
into the prototypical Mormon stereotype feel very comfortable.
re:vankadiagnosis--- it sounds like you are an individual starved for
attention. Find me a child who is 8 and doesn't do what "mommy and
daddy" do. Childhood is when you do what your parents do without
questioning why. This being said, it also doesn't erase the fact that you were
once a child and that you did these things.
Ryan Gosling was raised in the Church. Unless he has been excommunicated, he is
still a member. He describes himself as "nondenominational"
currently. He also states that his mother and sister receive great happiness
from the Church. There's every possibility that he will come back into activity
To those critical of Vocal Local's post...While an assumption was
made, the comment was clearly not intended to portray anyone in a negative
light. They were not attacking this individual, but merely stating things
regarding HOW this video is portraying things relating to a committed
religion.A statement Brandon made in the video regarding how he was
raised is very typical of the 'type' of person that Vocal Local described. While
that doesn't justify such an assumption... it doesn't make their concern
outrageous or harsh. One can make an assumption that is illogical, but intend no
harm.In all honesty, your comments probably do more harm for the
'LDS image' by being so fast to judge Vocal Local.I personally
believe that a many church publications such as videos on family, etc. Show too
perfect of people. My life was full of problems growing up and I often felt that
there was not enough help that in ANY way related to me. Most help from
individuals or media seemed ignorant that anyone in my situation ever
existed.Showing people from all walks of life is important, but
hopefully not just with Mormon.org videos, but other media too.
What is the point of making ANY connection of Mormonism with Ryan Gosling?Just because a poor kid was raised by Mormon parents should not be any
reason to associate him with the Church. Even if a person is baptized at age 8,
how many 8 year olds have any clue what they are really doing? They just do what
Mommy and Daddy and all the people at Church are telling them to do. That is no
reason to be stuck with an affiliation with a religion the rest of your life.Ryan Gosling said this about his "spirituality":"I grew up Mormon. I wasn't really Mormon, my parents were. My mom was
really cool. She said, 'This is an option, but this isn't the only option. This
is an idea, but this isnt the only idea. You have to find your own truth.' I
never really could identify with it. There's good things about going to church.
[Being Mormon] socialized me at a young age. You have to pray in public, shake a
lot of hands, talk in public, sing in church, stuff like that. It has definitely
stayed with me."A Church desperate for attention...
Mormons come in all shapes and sizes, commitment levels and gospel
understanding. I think it's unfortunate VocalLocal wrongfully uses their
ability to speak in an effort to foolishly "judge" someone they likely
don't even know, personally.
Vocal local, I don't think you have watched any other I'm a Mormon spots. You
comment was a bit condescending. The church is a hospital to help us improve,
not a country club for those who have already made it. I respect Flowers and his
music even more for him openly declaring he is a Mormon.
over-dubbed,Did you even read the statement? Here it is again for ya."current or former tie to the Mormon faith like Gladys Knight,
Katherine Heigl and Ryan Gosling ......"FORMER tie.....being
raised by an LDS parent/former LDS parent sure fits that bill.
Maybe the most powerful message of his video is what it can do for other
members. His, like many other profiles, illustrate that there are actually a
variety of Mormons out there, as opposed to the ones we project for everyone on
Sunday. Non-Mormons aren't the only ones that are sometimes ignorant regarding
the versatility among us.It will truly be a better day when in the
pews of our chapels we can still smell the cigarette smoke on people who have
not yet overcome that issue, and have them still find acceptance and love in a
place where they can come and worship in hopes of progressing in their
VocalLocal:Unbelievable! Your post seems VERY condescending and
judgmental! You're making assumptions on things you have NO CLUE about.If you link to the SPIN Magazine interview that he did (in '04) he
proudly claims right in there that he *IS* Mormon, although he's
"human" and doesn't (or, at least didn't back in '04) exactly live the
religion 100%.But as active LDS myself, I was VERY impressed that he
would witness for his religion AND at the same time honestly admit that he's not
perfect yet. After all... the church IS for all of us sinners.I
think the "I'm Mormon" campaign did an excellent job putting Flowers
on their website!
VocalLocal - that was an ignorant assumption to make. My cousin was in his ward
until recently and she had a lot of great things to say about him and his wife
and kids. I prefer the look into his heart, than any rambling of all his works.
That was an excellent video.
Overdubbed:Just curious-- Where did you get your information?
What's your source on that?If you have a web address to confirm your
statements, please post it here (but you'll have to spell it out, since the
moderator won't allow URLs thru).
It seems to me that Brandon Flowers accepts Mormonism more as a lifestyle than a
religion. I don't get any sense that he holds a calling, attends regularly,
pays tithing or engages in frequent prayer/scripture study. I guess it's fine
to consider Mormonism a lifestyle-that as long as you aren't promiscuous,
smoking, drinking, etc and that you want a loving family that you are a Mormon.
But I think it's unfortunate that his video is being used to promote something
which entails a much greater committment than that and do encourage people to
believe things which are much more than simply believing in the love of
Ryan Gosling is not a Mormon. His parents were but he denies his affiliation.