LonestarRunner:"Sorry, your facts are wrong....Texas
A&M(7-5) finished the 2004 regular season UNRANKED..."Sorry
LonestarRunner, YOUR facts are wrong. Since A&M's 5th loss didn't come
until AFTER the Cotton Bowl - hence AFTER the Final BCS Standings - A&M was
7-4, and ranked #22.The cougars don't get to count their victory
over K-State because THAT game came AFTER the Cotton Bowl - hence AFTER the
Final BCS Standings. It is the Final BCS standings that determines whether or
not you get a BCS bowl bid.I understand how that must be confusing
for you, since as a coug fan, you've never been there before, but as a UTE fan,
I've been through this process TWICE!There's no question that Utah's
2004 season was substantially more significant than the cougars '96, and THAT
Utah team (as well as their '08 team) was a superior team to anything the
cougars ever put on the field. If the BCS system that was available in '04 were
also available in '96, the Y would be 0 for 15 in BCS-busting bowl invitations
rather than 0 for 13. And Utah would STILL be the "Original"
Geeze, guys, this is the past. Get over it, they both had good teams.
Whoop-dee-doo. What are we, 11 year olds? BYU fans looking to talk trash, get
off our boards; Utah fans responding to these guys, give it up, you can't change
someone's mind when they only spit venom at their rivals, nobody can win here.
Just support your own team. Goodness.
BYU would have been the first BCS buster if the BCS had started in 1996.
Naval VetHow many bowl teams Utah played in in 2004 is
irrelevant.In 2004, there were 29 bowls.In 1996, there were
only 18 bowls.Almost every team with a winning record played in a
bowl in 2004.
Naval VetSorry, your facts are wrong. Texas A&M(7-5)
finished the 2004 regular season UNRANKED, after losing 3 of their last 4
regular season games. The Aggies were then blownout 38-7 in their bowl game. So
much for your "best win" in 2004.BYU beat Utah(8-4) at
RES, #22/#22 Wyoming(10-2) in the WAC championship game, and #17/#17 Kansas
State(9-3) in the Cotton Bowl. Kansas State was ranked #14 at the end of the
regular season, losing only to #6 Nebraska and at #8 Colorado during the regular
season. Big advantage BYU!BYU's 14-1 team was ranked
#5/#5 at the end of the regular season. Utah's 12-0 team was ranked #5/#6 at the
end of the regular season.There's no question that BYU 1996 was an
even more accomplished team than Utah 2004.
Uteanymous:"btw, I noticed that you completely dodged
addressing Utah's pathetic 2004 schedule and how a team that only beat three
opponents with winning records somehow managed to sneak into a BCS
game."I didn't dodge it. ND95CA's comments weren't posted yet
when I wrote that, and I hadn't been back until just now.There are
differences of significance between the cougars of '96 and the Utes of '04.
Your best win was Wyoming [WAC]. Ours was Texas A&M [Big XII]. BOTH teams
finished their regular seasons ranked 22nd. But Utah blew the Aggies out by
20-pts, thoroughly DOMINATED all their other opponents; which included 4 bowl
teams [aka 4 teams with a winning record; not 3] and programs from the Pac-10,
the Big XII, and the ACC. The cougars narrowly edged Wyoming in O/T, and only
beat 1 bowl team, and one team from the Big XII [barely]. Edge: Utah.Considering the undefeated Ute's edge over a 2-loss Georgia team in the Final
BCS standings was by the NARROWEST of margins, I don't know how cougar fans can
justify their 1-loss team as BCS worthy. No 1-loss team had ever played.
The same Y-trolls throwing Utah'04 under the bus would have no problem
explaining away BYU's schedule/bowl opponent during their one undefeated season,
1984, in which they were awarded a somewhat controversial national championship.
Let's compare.Win against Pitt? Check. "
" overmatched bowl opponent? Check. " " hapless
Utah State? Check." " average arch rival? Check." " mediocre team from warm climate? Check. (Zona/Baylor)" " team from a lower class...oops just BYU (Tulsa/MVC)" " horrible four letter school? Check. (UNLV/UTEP)'04Utah:Texas A&M 7-4 (+bowl loss)Arizona 3-8AFA 5-6USU 3-8NM 7-4(+bowl loss)UNC 6-5 (+bowl loss)Wyoming 6-5
(+bowl win)BYU 5-6CSU 4-7NM 4-7UNLV 2-9Pitt 8-3
(+bowl loss)'84BYU:Pitt 3-7-1Baylor 5-6Tulsa 6-5,
MVCHawaii 7-4CSU 3-8Wyoming 6-6AF 7-4 (+bowl win)New Mexico 4-8UTEP 2-9SDSU 4-7-1Utah 6-5-1Utah St.
1-10Michigan 6-5 (+bowl loss)'84BYU won the NC and the haters
hate 'em for it.'04Utah busted the BCS and the haters hate 'em for it.
8th is better than last weeks 9th. A win at Cal could move them up to 7th. By
season's end they could very well be 6th (3rd in the South) which is right where
the vast majority of publications and knowledgable fans put them at the
beginning of the year.====No question the 1996 BYU football
team was good. Had the BCS existed then, BYU would have deserved a BCS bowl. The
Cotton Bowl, however, is nothing to scoff at. Still, I'm convinced that Y trolls
on here throwing Utah's 2004 team under the bus do so for a simple reason: pride
sportsfanforlife"why dont you actually play somebody from the
pac 12 worth mentioning"Utah fans have been spouting for over a
year that simply being in the PAC 12 makes U an elite program. Now you're
telling us that there are dogs even in the AQ conferences?lolSo where does that leave the U, winless against the PAC 12?
and since so many of you byu fans wanna pound your chest about byu having a
better pac 12 record... why dont you actually play somebody from the pac 12
worth mentioning. WOW you beat osu BIG DEAL. play one of the teams utah lost to
then talk about having a better pac 12 record
Naval Vet Must you always throw a temper tantrum everytime you lose
an argument?One of the reasons the BCS was created was because of
the threat of Congressional action after #5 BYU was shut out of an alliance
bowl.btw, I noticed that you completely dodged addressing Utah's
pathetic 2004 schedule and how a team that only beat three opponents with
winning records somehow managed to sneak into a BCS game.
SportsFan:"Since the BCS poll didn't exist in 1996, there's no
way you can prove that a team that was ranked #5 in both the AP and Coaches
polls, wouldn't have been ranked that high in the BCS poll...Sorry, as usual,
your spin isn't supported by the facts."And where are the
"facts" to support YOUR spin? Can YOU prove the cougars WOULD have
made it in??? If I have to prove they wouldn't, then you have to prove they
would! And if you can't, then you can't say the '96 cougars would have been the
original BCS busters.Get the net, grab your box of Kleenex, wipe
your tears, and admit that not only is UTAH the official "Original
BCS-Busters", but we're ALSO the official "Original 2-Time
BCS-Busters". Boise State followed our act, and then TCU. But not you.
You NEVER busted the BCS. Not even once, like Hawai'i. In terms of
"BCS Busters" the cougars are NOT to be in the same discussion as us.
Leave BCS Busting talk to the Utes, Broncos, and Frogs, and admit that your
Indy-WAC program has nothing to hang their hat on.
UteologyIt's even more hillarious that BYU has a better PAC 12
record, than the mighty Utes.BYU 1-1Utah 0-3Utah
killed its chances of ever playing in another BCS game by joining the PAC 12.
Naval VetIt's absolutely hillarious how you try to belittle BYU's
pre-bowl win over #22/#22 Wyoming(10-2) in the 1996 WAC championship game, but
completely ignore the fact that Utah 2004 qualified for a BCS bowl without
beating a single team with a record better than 7-5; in fact the Utes snuck into
a BCS bowl by only beating three teams with winning records.Utah
2004 was probably better than Utah 2008, but Utah 2004 played a pathetically
@mussingaround It's hilarious BYU (aka Notre Dame of the West) has
been been in "discussions" for 30 years with the BCS conference yet
Utah, Boise, and Air Force have the invites.
Naval VetSince the BCS poll didn't exist in 1996, there's no way you
can prove that a team that was ranked #5 in both the AP and Coaches polls,
wouldn't have been ranked that high in the BCS poll. In 2004, Utah
managed to finish #6 in the BCS poll playing only three teams with winning
records, none of them with a record better than 7-5.Sorry, as usual,
your spin isn't supported by the facts.
SportsFan:"If the BCS had started in 1996 with the exact rules
as existed in 2004, BYU would have been a lock to be the first BCS
buster."Not so. The rules that existed in 2004 stipulated a
Top-6 ranking in the Final BCS poll. Not a Top-6 ranking in the AP or Coaches
polls. The Final BCS poll uses SOS.In 2004, there were only 4 BCS
bowls; not 5. At the end of the regular season, the #1 team was Florida St.
FSU played #2 Florida in the Sugar. UF won, and finished #1. FSU finished #3.
UF and FSU represented the Champions of the SEC and the ACC. Unranked Texas
upset #4 Nebraska in the Big XII Championship game and grabbed the automatic bid
to the Fiesta. Va. Tech won the Big East and took the auto bid to the Orange.
This left 2 at large bids. Those bids went to Top-10 ranked B10 runner-up Penn
St. [Fiesta] and Top-10 ranked Big XII runner-up Nebraska [Orange]. Penn St. beat ranked Northwestern and Mich. Neb. beat ranked K-State and
Colorado. The Y beat #22 Wyoming. Period. No BCS for you.
What's hillarious is claiming you're one of the big boys when it's already late
October and you haven't won your first game in your "big boy"
conference.More and more the BYU-Utah game is proving to be just
what it was, a fluke!
U less than YTop 15 Finishes (Last 5 Years)BYU 3Utah 1
U less than YLet me help you with your confusion about BYU's 1996
Cotton Bowl winning team (the bowl was played in 1997, but during the 1996
season).If the BCS had started in 1996 with the exact rules as
existed in 2004, BYU would have been a lock to be the first BCS buster.BYU 1996 won back-to-back games against Top 25 opponentsUtah 2004 didn't
play a single Top 25 opponent (both polls)BYU played 7 teams with
winning records: 9-3, 6-5, 6-5, 7-4, 8-4, 10-2, 9-3Utah played 4 teams
with winning records: 7-5, 7-5, 7-5, 8-4BYU won 14 games; BYU's only
loss was on the road to #16/#15 Washington(9-3)Utah won 12 games; Utah's
toughest road games were CSU(7-5) and Wyoming(7-5)BYU's quarterback
won the Sammy Baugh Trophy and finished 3rd in Heisman votingUtah's
quarteback won NOTHING and finished 4th in Heisman votingComparing
bowl opponents is a joke:BYU beat #17/#17 Kansas StateUtah
beat #25/unranked PittsburghBYU finished #5/#5Utah finished
Phoenix, AP Top 5 Finishes (2000's)Utah 2Byu 0
Mussingaround,Let me help you out that cotton bowl was played in
1997 not 1996 it was almost 15 years ago lol! Also that season does not match
our two BCS bowl titles. For 1 the Y was'nt even un-beatin that year, 2 they
beat an overrated Kansas st. team by 4?? Not sure how that compares to two
undefeated seasons, and two BCS bowl wins?? Your laughable you say
its hillarious the Y has a PAC12 win before Utah. Well how hillarious does it
make it the Y was waxed on their home feild 54 - 10 by a winless PAC12 Utah team
Y vs U"Unless of course your nostalgic... I guess I would
prefer to be nostalgic recently about my team..."Utah is a
two-hit wonder, and little else; enjoy your "nostalgia", because it's
fading quickly.It's too bad that even in the heyday of Utah
football, the Utes still weren't able to finish in the AP Top 25 as many times
as BYU.AP Top 25 Finishes (2000's)BYU 5Utah 4Just curious, do they teach English at the U."your" /=
"you're" or "you are"
Y>UBYU fans have much to be nostalgic about since 1984 -- Heisman
Trophy, Doak Walker, Outland Trophy, Davey O'Brien, and Sammy Baugh winners,
multiple, National College Football Hall of Fame inductees, a dozen AP Top 25
finishes, multiple 10+ win seasons, 20+ conference championships, and many, many
beatdowns of the kids on the hill, and many memorable bowl games, including the
1996 Cotton Bowl, which was every bit as much of an accomplishment as the only
two highlights of Utah's entire football existence.btw, 56-6 is
still the largest beatdown in history of the BYU-Utah series, and U know who was
the object of that beatdown at Rice Stadium.It's hillarious that BYU
already has a PAC 12 win, while Utah is still winless in their new conference.
@mussingaround"Utah fans get all nostalgic about 2004 because Utah
has NOTHING worthy of being nostalgic about prior to 2004"Y
fans have nothing to be nostalgic about after 1984. Unless of course your
nostalgic about the Utes dominating the rivalry 7 of 10, waxing the Y on their
home feild 54 - 10, and watching the Utes win BCS bowls that is! I guess I would
prefer to be nostalgic recently about my team, then having it be 27 years ago,
what about you?
Mid major: I don't think cougar was saying they bought the beer there. Been to
Wyo games and others, lot of drinking, didn't buy it there, but they did it to
keep from freezing, you know anti-freeze.
MidMajor4ever Been to many, many games at RES and Utah fans have
been sneaking beer and hard liquor into RES for decades. Take a look around the
stands after a game and you'll see plenty of empty beer and liquor
containers.Utah fans get all nostalgic about 2004 because Utah has
NOTHING worthy of being nostalgic about prior to 2004.
Amen Brother CougarKeith, Amen.
Clash of the Cellar Dwellers... is it on TV?
"Great year for Ute fans...to look back and reminisce"NT:Unlike Y-ners, we need only go back a couple of years to
remember the good old days, not a couple of generations.7 of 10, and
Great year for Ute fans...to look back and reminisce
Love Bergstom's comments about the Ute's play. The Pitt player just did not like
Don't be fooled by the Post-Gazette's link for the story "Mendenhall quiets
his critics yet again". It is about Rashard, not Roscoe.
The funny thing about Cullen's "dirty, dirty" play was that Alexcih
was shoving John White when Cullen cleaned him from the side. Stupid play, but
at least Cullen was picking on someone that wasn't a hundred and ten pounds
smaller than himself.
Time to start winning some conference games. Looking forward to this one
against Cal.It's nice to see the Niners winning with Alex at QB. He
didn't look very polished, but they handed the Lions their first loss of the
season. Keep up the good work.