Bill in Nebraska, doxology is used consistently throughout the Bible. Not in Mt
6:13 KJV.Dr. Larsons conclusion. The MS discoveries since the KJV
have provided a much better understanding of the Sermon on the Mount. Greek MS
200 A.D. thru Latin, Syriac, Coptic and patristic early support, which leads
to the original text. These are earlier and better texts of Matthews Sermon on
the Mount. There is unanimity support by modern scholars, but The BoM never
takes us to a verifiable text in antiquity. Simply put, there 12 more
examples where JS copied the errors of Sermon on the Mount in the
KJV/3Nephi.@Bill said CHARITY as highest, noblest, strongest kind of
love. Wrong, The Greek word (agape,25) is often translated
"love" in the N T. "agape love" is different from other
types of love? The essence of agape love is self-sacrifice Nor does agape mean
CHARITY, a term which the K JV translators carried over from the Latin(caritas).
Agape love is unique and is distinguished by its nature and character. Agape is
love which is of and from God, whose very nature is love itself. JS
misunderstood the KJV.
Sharrona again you use someone who in their opinion you use as fact. Again you
miss a very important aspect as the LDS version of the Bible denotes CHARITY as
highest, noblest, strongest kind of love. So if we take, as noted in the
Moroni, look at as Charity (High love)is the pure love of Christ. It is a
description of what Charity is thus there is nothing unusual about it. Again if
you look at Hebrew versus Greek it makes perfect sense.Also,doxology
is used consistently throughout the Bible. Thus if that is then it would appear
to be the correct translation versus the more and sometimes modern one that you
want to use. Therefore, it appears that you are hung up on a translation and
basing the solely on you Christian Faith versus reading what the scripture
@Bill in Nebraska, I really don't understand why you continue to try and get
people to feel that the translation of the Book of Mormon is from the greek. If
you are trying to prove that all Joseph Smith did was rewrite the Bible into the
Book of Mormon, that is pretty farfetch. JS copied parts.Stan Larson
a Ph.D in New testament Studies a former LDS Church translator. A great portion
of 3 Nephi seems to be "borrowed and lifted" from the KJV Bible.
Larson also found that III Nephi holds exactly the same sort of errors that are
unique to the 1769 version of the KJV Bible Joseph Smith owned.Mt
6:13 KJV and 3Nephi 13:13 Both have the doxology, For thine is he Kingdom and
power and the glory forever amen. The KJV is based on 9th to 12th century
texts. Earlier and better manuscripts do not contain the doxology. Only One
example.Also the Love Chapter; 1 Corinthians 13 KJV*.
*Charity(love)never fails( 1Cor 13:8 NIV) or Faith hope and *charity(love)(1
Corinthians 13:13 NIV). VS Moroni 7:47.
Sharrona: I really don't understand why you continue to try and get people to
feel that the translation of the Book of Mormon is from the greek. It has
already been told to you many times that the Book of Mormon was written in
Reformed Egyptian.If you are trying to prove that all Joseph Smith
did was rewrite the Bible into the Book of Mormon, that is pretty farfetched.
As Joseph Smith stated and I reinterate: "And now, after the
many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of
all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand
of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of
the Father--That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were
created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto
God."This is the true essence of it all. You much read the
entire Chapter you quoted to get the true meaning of the word Charity.
Trent Toone,AWESOME!! Thanks
@Resistance Increased my understanding of people on both sides of the issue.
That is always a good thing,OK.Hereby perceive we the love of God,
because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the
brethren.(1John 3:16 KJV)God on the cross. I like this translation, Do you
agree?John 16:7 comforter(parakletos)Holy Spirit, corresponds to
Menahem Hebrew name for the Messiah.The "Right Hand" is
only figurative/symbolic and not literal Right hand means power and
authority." Your right hand, O LORD(YAHWEH), was majestic in power. Your
right hand, O LORD(YAHWEH), shattered the enemy. (Exodus 15:6)". "I
have set the LORD always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not
be shaken. (Psalm 16:8)" Moroni 7:47 . "But charity(love)
is the pure love of Christ . Makes no sense in the original Greek. Charity,
mid-12c.,benevolence for the poor," caritas from the Latin Vulgate often
used as translation of Greek, agape "love". Charity is the Latin
translation of agape(love).
Just wonderful see to this kind of the spiritual history about the KJV Bible.
The writers, historians and producers have produced a great work for all
to see. Looking forward to part two and the future DVDs.The
only negative: the advertising during the showing was distracting.
If you can't sleep, this is a great thing to put you to sleep...I love the
message, but it was just too monotone, I couldn't stay awake to see much of it,
will try again.
For those wondering, you can stream each episode as it airs live on BYUtv at
BYUtv.org. Once each episode is broadcast you can view it online at BYUtv.org
anytime. DVDs should be available early next year.
Hopefully this will be broadcasted online for us to watch...?
Loved the show. Increased my understanding of people on both sides of the issue.
That is always a good thing.
Wow, this looks to me like a terrific body of work.
I have been so excited to see this show. It is so sad they cut it up with all
the previews of other programming. It would have been so much better without
all of the interuptions.
I set my dvr to record the series and cannot wait to watch. It is events and
things like this that make you excited to live another day with your family.
@Hutterhite,The Christian relgion has done more good in the world then any
other force. Yes there are chruch's that claim to follow christ but hide behind
the bible to do evil. How ever more people have died from the writings of Marx
and Ingels and Modern Progressives then ever in the history of the world.
@mightymite,That's a mighty strong accusation against the KJV
version of the bible. Care to present your evidences of proof? Which one is
the most correct version? Besides, if you care to go back and re-read Kirk R
Graves's reply to Hutterhite, you will learn that books don't cause strife.
KJV is a poor translation. I don't know how the mormon church stands by this
version - this version is the cause of much strife amoung Christians.
I can't WAIT for the series to begin tonight! I must "Facebook" the
rest of my friends & family to watch with me! Gentlemen; information is just
that, "information". It's what we choose to DO with it that makes the
difference in our lives and those around us.
English bible is important in American history. Reason being it was a book that
everyone could legally have and use this permitted a much wider range and
percentage of people to learn to read and write. History is cool!
Very excellent project!!I continue to pray that my family and all
LDS will trust the message of the Bible as God's infallible Word of Truth.
Understanding the differences between the Biblical gospel and my Mormon faith
brought me to a fantastic spiritual rebirth many years ago. My family was
anguished, but we still love each other deeply.Healing this
doctrinal rift would unite us again in Peter's "one Lord, one faith, one
Hutterite, the depth of the inanity of your above statement is beyond measure.
@Hutterite, I wonder if you realize just how ridiculous that statement makes
you sound. First, a book cannot cause misery. People can use a book as an
excuse for doing horrible things, but the book itself is not capable of causing
anything. Second, the bible in general has an overriding theme of goodness and
love. How exactly can that cause human suffering? Third, the KJV was
translated in the 1600s. Funny enough, when you look at the history of
religious abuse (using religion as an excuse to do bad things), you could easily
mark that time period as when things like that started dying off (no, they never
stopped, but then, humans are and always will be humans).
Wow! I am so thrilled that this series has been produced. Too many have very
little understanding of the great sacrifice made by inspired men, to bring holy
writ to the masses. It will be my prayer that this film will be viewed by many.
From the look of the photo, Luther was still using a dot matrix printer. Poor
guy; he had to put up with the noise. As for the KJV, my feeling is that it's
enabled more human misery than 'mein kampf'.
This story of the many sacrifices necessary to break the stranglehold of the
Dark Ages is powerful. I am indebted to and grateful for men like William
Tyndale and John Wyclife who did what they felt needed to be done for all
mankind. They gave their lives, and I for one am very grateful.