I would have liked to see some references between this article and the one about
the new solar powered parking meters in the city . Cruising the block looking
for a parking meter has a big impact on emissions. Separately, but
related, there used to be an ad on tv that asked the question,"What's the
worst thing you can do to your engine?" Answer- "Start it." The
emphasis was on the fact that when the engine starts, there is no oil in the
cylinders, so the first few turns of the engine are with bare metal-to-metal
contact, increasing engine wear. Increased wear means decreased efficiency,
increased fuel and oil consumption, and increased emissions. This is still true
for ALL ENGINES. If you are in the engine repair business, this
ordinance is a money tree. As with all legislation, look at the intent, but
follow the money.
Some cars have trouble starting up. Diesel engines, a whole another story. This
is a very narrow minded proposal for a law.
I hate auto spell checking. It takes a fat fingered typo and turns it into bad
grammar. My comment should have read "...politicians with too much time on
THEIR hands". :(
More dumb politicians with too much time on there hands. Yes, it is annoying
when someone starts their car and let's it sit idling for 15 minutes, all to
avoid being a little chilly in the morning. But this is not a catastrophic
problem where government should be intervening and taking away individual
freedoms for some so-called greater good.We moved to Utah to get
away from overly intrusive government in other states. Let's keep Utah
different, and err on the side of freedom over more government intrusion and
I'll idle my SUV as much as I darn well please. I have waited at the airport to
pick someone up and I absolutely ignore the stupid "Do Not Idle" sign
unless it is about 75 degrees. If it cold, I am going to run my heater and if
it's warmer, then I run the air conditioner. I am not going to let some narrow
minded bureaucrat tell me when I can idle my cars. When visiting Utah I will
just avoid the city. I'll let Ralphie and Co do their part by riding their
trikes or walking.
There is more idling caused by the stupid above-ground Trax than this stupid
ordinance will ever stop. Seriously, try to go through the Main and South
Temple intersection some time, or drive down Main Street any time.
Who are these people and where'd they come from. Is it to late to lock the
Are SLCPD officers also going to be subjected to this law?
Interesting.......SLCPD has time to see how long you have your motor running,
but they DON'T have time to arrest illegal trespassers?
Although I avoid SLC as much as possible, and I don't sit in my vehicle leaving
the engine running, this is just another great reason to do my business outside
of SLC. Keep passing these stupid laws SLC and tourists will eventually realize
what a bunch of freaks your lawmakers are and will avoid you like the plague.
Leave it to Liberal SLC to come up with new ways to babysit the masses. Here's
an idea! Before forcing people to do what you feel is right with a one size
fits all law, how about asking residents to try to reduce there idling and give
them the reasons behind it. I'm sure that more than a few will be happy to
The City Council would do well to read all the above.
Micromanagement at it's finest! What's next...Big Brother Government stepping in
to control liquor sales?
This is a great idea. While enforcement will certainly be an issue, this rule
will also serve as an educational tool. People need to learn that not only is
idling for more than a couple minutes a WASTE OF MONEY, but it has real negative
impacts on our health and the environment. I'm not a fan of government
micro-managing our lives, but in this case, the impacts of thousands of cars
idling each day affects more than the person in the idling vehicle. I am a
father of a (nearly) 2-year old. He's the real reason we need this kind of
common sense rule. Thank you Salt Lake City for your leadership!
This will be as ineffective as the freeway signs urging people to drive less
because of bad air quality that day. Silly. I agree with comments to time
traffic lights downtown. Will this be a law we can ignore such as with illegal
This is a stupid, nutty idea typical of the liberal inner city of SLC. No way to
enforce it. Soon you will be required to ride a bike or walk only in downtown
SLC. If this looney law passes I will go elsewhere to do my shopping and
eating. Mr. Mayor and citi council folks... you will make SLC a ghost town.
If the city were sincere about air quality, it would acknowledge that the REAL
idling problem lay with the matchless stupidity of Utah's haphazard traffic
control system and its resulting, world-famous red lights. Typically, one can't
travel from here to there without spending more time standing at red lights than
actually traveling. And each time a motorist is forced to slam on the brakes
for a red light, not only is he or she being robbed of precious minutes of his
or her lifetime -- and creating smog meanwhile -- they also are having to
generate far more smog accelerating back to cruising speed. It is not an
exaggeration to say that many times, one will take a trip in Salt Lake City and
find EVERY single light red, and having to stop and go over, and over, and over,
and over again. And don't tell me intelligent control of the traffic lights is
impossible. The technology is there, and it has been done in other cities since
the 1950's.No, this is about greed on the part of the mayor and city
council and a new, oppressive way to gouge its citizens and visitors for more
Are they going to retime the traffic lights in down town to eliminate traffic
jams? I've sat at some of those for 5 minutes before.If the City
would focus on improving traffic flow all over the valley a lot of this
"idle time" could be eliminated.Start with the traffic
lights, then do something about the idiotic construction zones. Work on one
section at a time, when it's done move to the next. No need to have lanes
blocked off for miles when all the work is being done in a half mile area.
Give a 5th grader a calculator and let him/her coordinate the timing of traffic
lights in the city. Sitting at lights that could be programmed to sync better
is wasting our time and polluting the atmosphere more than a few people idling
their cars.Also, starting from a dead stop is the biggest polluter
of them all. So stop strictly enforcing "rolling stops" or
"California stops". Most people know when to do a full stop when they
see kids or other cars there. if no one is there then keep things rolling!
That will make a dent and still be safe.
toosmartforyou, if you pull over to the shoulder, for any reason, you should be
turning on your hazard lights, which work whether the car is running or not.Overall, I think this is another case where public education would be a
better idea than an ordinance. It used to be that it took as much gas to get a
car started as it does to idle for 2 - 3 minutes. Cars have become more fuel
efficient, especially during ignition, so it does save fuel to turn the car off
rather than idle for more than a few seconds. Most of us are pinched enough
already that knowing this would prompt many folks to shut it down and restart it
rather than idle so much.We have a similar issue in our county. The
county has levied a 5 cent per bag tax on all plastic shopping bags. They say
the county spends $3 million per year picking up litter, and the bags are the
bulk of the litter. I never heard that until today. Why couldn't they try and
educate people first?
We must find a way to blame this on Obama!
This is the sort of wacky stuff Rocky Anderson used to dream up.The
liberal lemmings are heading for the cliff following the latest Pied Piper of
the enviornmental wacky scheme d'jour.They already concede all sorts
of exceptions, so numerous that the ordinance will be incomprehensible and
unenforceable for vagueness.A better idea would be for everyone in
favor of this silliness to commit to walking or bicycling to work and recreation
and save even more heinous emissions. Then, leave the rest of us alone.By the way, the "Idle Free Utah" group pushing this
nonsensical scheme is an official State of Utah government website. Who
authorized that, who is putting out all the propaganda pushing this enviro stuff
while being paid from our tax dollars? This sure looks like some people and
jobs and offices that can be eliminated as frivolous spending in the next budget
cycle.Nanny statism run amok!
Liberal SLC government trying to micromanage, I live in California just look
what stupid laws can do to run a state into the ground. Wow who would have
thought that SLC would go the way of the crazy democrats. Just a way to collect
more money & at one more thing on the back of the people.
Look at the bail schedule: this is just a cheap way to raise revenue. If the
City wants people to start visiting downtown, now that the big re-development
project is almost completed, they had better make visitors feel welcome. This
ordinance isn't it.I know many of the reservations I have expressed
above are "exempted" but if an ordinance requires wholesale exemptions
I submit that it isn't a good law in the first place. Back to the drawing
board, I say.
What happens if you need to pull over and take an important phone call on your
cell and don't want to be talking on the phone while driving.....do you need to
turn off your car while on the shoulder of the road for a 3-minute call? If so,
aren't you now a hazard if you've turned off the lights and it's a bit dark?Goofy idea, this proposed ordinance.......I guess maybe the parking cops
aren't out after dark in he winter after 6 pm so maybe that isn't an issue, but
would it be in the day time? Car heaters don't operate when the engine is off.
And it is OK on Sunday or Saturday when the parking enforcers aren't around, or
is this 24/7?Can't SLC just be happy with their new high-tech
parking meters and writing everyone that doesn't have a front license plate?
Does the responding Ambulance or Fire Truck have to turn off their
engine, too, at the scene of an incident if they are "parked?" Or is
it just John Q Public...?
Some drive thrus are so fast, your tires barely stop moving. What sends more
fumes into the air, a ninety second wait in a drive thru lane and idling or
turning off your car and back on three or four times during those same seconds?
There are blatant idlers and then there are those who are just doing their best
to keep things moving in life. It seems like we could just ask people to be more
careful, and they would be. People generally want to help out. Do we have to
pass laws on everything?
This is yet another example of City Hall trying to control every aspect of our
lives. Are they going to make sure you don't have to wait in line to pay for
parking at the SLC International Airport? And what happens when you do and it's
cold outside---you need to shut off your car you barely started and are trying
to get warmed up a bit for the ride home while waiting through the pay line?As with far too many SLC regs, this is SILLY.Time the
traffic lights if you want to reduce pollution. (7th East and 4th South, for
example.) What about getting out of the parking lot after a U of U Basketball
or a Jazz game? (May not be an issue this year, granted, but really...)I just about thought they'd done everything they could when the City
wouldn't let their employees drink from plastic water bottles. Oh well, glad I
live in Davis County.....
Talk about big-brother government! This is just plain dumb.This is
so much micromagement that revealing that perhaps our leaders have too much time
on their hands. So we're going to go around ticketing people for
idling their cars? So the passer-through freezing in the dead of
winter trying to get himself warm by his car heater, the night-time driver far
from home wanting to park and read for a few minutes in the safety of his car
and by inside light, and the mom waiting for the son outside the athletic event
in the cold of winter, are breaking the ordinance and subject to fines and
discipline.Let's apply some common sense here. I highly doubt there
will be much reduction in pollution as a result of this ordinance. Please reject
This is something I believe we should all be onboard with and one of the most
offensive areas of "idling" is in the drive-through windows of
restaurants and other businesses around the valley. I think drive-through
windows should be outlawed and this would help the overall health of the
citizens here by forcing them to park their cars and actually get up off their
butts to go in to a restaurant or business to make their purchases.
While limiting idling will cut pollution, I would like to see better
coordination of road construction so that there would be better alternate
routes. So much of the idling is due to grid locks. Except for rare exceptions
no one should be allowed to shut down more than one lane and no 2 road projects
should be next to each other.Also, is it time we just flat out
outlaw cigarette smoking? It pollutes just about everything from air to litter,
to my lungs. I dislike stop lights because someone usually smoking and it comes
into my car and stinks.