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U. has most full-time students, UVU has most overall

Published: Wednesday, Oct. 12 2011 3:33 p.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Officials says Utah colleges are expanding, but funding isn't"

Oh well.

Since education costs have inflated since 1985 at something in excess of 4 times the rate of inflation for everything else, it's about time for some sanity to be injected into the process.

twoartistic
Draper, UT

Ummm, have you ever heard of budgeting?

We all know the the costs have skyrocketed ahead of inflation, so those dollars need to be spent in a more prudent fashion. Get creative, lease space in empty commercial buildings, more part time instructors, online course work, etc. Why do you always, yes always, want to pry open our wallets to help fund a product that you say you have plenty of customers for?

Time to put down the public money crack pipe and be responsible.

Johnny
West Jordan, Utah

Bill Sederburg, guess you shouldn't have given all the presidents that big raise. Wonder how many extra seats in the classroom that could have given us. Look at cutting the board of regents. Now there is cost savings.

FDRfan
safety dictates, ID

Too much Tea Party domination of the Utah government to expect any more funding. Will Utah go for Cain and his 999 plan? Is a 9% tax on food and a 9% tax on Social Security checks really what Utahns want? Bring jobs back from China and let the children go to work instead of school.

Peccatte
Tallahassee, FL

To twoartistic:

Colleges and universities are always having to beg people to pry open their wallets because they are not allowed to truly work under a business model. If they were a business, and demand went higher, they would have more profits, and could then re-invest to grow the business to meet the demand. Another alternative if they didn't want to grow the business would be to charge more for their product until demand equaled what they wanted to supply. But since the universities don't really have access to their profits, and of course aren't allowed to set their tuition rates, then they are reduced to begging for dollars. Which is where the legislature wants them to be: because if they could truly set their own rates, you can be sure tuition would be a lot higher. Of course, then start-up universities could offer something cheaper for those who cared less for quality. And the legislature wouldn't have control over tuition dollars that they can now divert to other categories. And they couldn't boss the universities around at will.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

I went to a private accredited college (Columbia College) and got a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration. At that same school, the tuition is currently $200 per semester hour. There is NO public tax money spent to supplement that school.

That same degree program at the University for a full-time student is over $230 per semester for an accredited degree which is subsidized by the public. Tell me why the difference?

I'm all for public education and all for people getting as much education as they can, but the outdated concept of huge campuses and multi-million-dollar buildings is becoming outdated. There are all kinds of empty office spaces throughout the valley which could be leased to hold classes. That's just one example.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

CHS 85: But Utah is in the PAC-12!

A1994
Centerville, UT

Consumer Prices since 1985: Up 107%
College tuition since 1985: Up 466%
Learning to live within your means: Priceless

I remember one year at Utah State University, the administration paid $36,000 for a large oak conference table and about $18,000 for leather chairs to go around the table. I have a really hard time feeling sorry for higher education. Learn how to save for a rainy day like the rest of us and quit building new ivory towers...the old ones will work just fine for a few more years.

peterslu
Midway, UT

@procuradorfiscal: 1) you don't cite a source; 2) if you force a university to accept more students, but don't increase their funding, what are they supposed to operate on, good intentions? If we want Utah to remain competitive we need to invest in higher education. If we cannot provide the skills and degrees that high paying sectors demand, those sectors will cluster elsewhere.

@twoartistic: Universities, such as UVU, lease space and have satellite classrooms in a variety of locations. That is not a solution, however, as full time students need to access an array of classes in close proximity; a need that cannot be met when classes are spread all over the Wasatch Front. Many of these large universities have too many adjuncts right now, and risk losing their accreditation if they increase the adjunct-to-full time ratio.

@CHS 85: To be perfectly blunt, Columbia College is a for-profit college that, while accredited, has limited legitimacy. Utah schools are actually extremely affordable by both national and international standards. Compare semester tuition of a bachelor's in business at the U vs. the University of Colorado:

UofU: $2,851

UofColorado: $6,131

Educate yourselves, people!

(pun intended)

Bastiatarian
TUCSON, AZ

At least a third of the students at state universities shouldn't be in college in the first place. I keep hearing university presidents around the country bragging about how much the incoming group of freshmen grows each year. It's not because there has been an increase in kids that are prepared for college. It's because the admission standards continue to drop. Bragging about the growth of the incoming class is equivalent to saying "Hey, look at us! We've got more morons on campus than you do!" The significant (and I mean horrifying) drop in the average grade in my classes corresponds exactly to the timing of the effort by the university to increase the size of incoming classes. My 7th grade son is more prepared for college than many of my students.

Social promotion, diversion of funds from basic academics to diversity assemblies and other social engineering schemes, and other touchy-feely pretend education in public schools sure has been effective...

shuttdlrl
Smith River, CA

Student loans should be paid back including grants. A food tax would be a fair tax to support schools. School jobs should be minimum wage and state school professors should be paid the average taxpayers wage of the state. They should be serving their country not making it go bankrupt. They should also use the modern media for their classes and save money on buildings. They would then be able to offer more classes.
shuttdlrl

Bdiddlediddle
Salt Lake City, UT

This article takes exactly one sentence to turn into an editorial. Clearly, the Deseret News has an issue with higher education, with THINKING in general, and with the general norms of good writing.

Please, report to us the facts and not the opinion of the writer or editorial board. There are many readers who know the difference. Tuition costs for Utah students keep rising, which, in effect, raise taxes on our students and their parents. And yet; the legislature proudly states that it has not raised taxes. Students have been taxed unfairly over the past few years with tuition rates rising as state support diminishes. It's hard to refute the facts!

Please, when you write an editorial, please give the readers the respect they deserve and label it as being as being an opinion. Or, write a proper article!! State your facts, back them up, and save your opinions for that small space you reserve for calling an opinion an opinion.

Mike Johnson
Stafford, VA

peterslu,

for the record, Columbia College-Salt Lake is a not-for-profit private college with its main campus in Columbia, Missouri. It is accredited (through its parent campus) by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. Its accreditation is not worthless--same regional accreditation agency as for the University of Arizona, Arizona State University, University of Colorado, Colorado State, University of Wyoming, University of Michigan, University of Minnesota, University of Notre Dame, University of Chicago, and many others from Arizona to Michigan. It has been in Utah since 1975 and the main campus was founded in 1851. It is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ.

Its primary focus in Utah is providing liberal arts and sciences bachelor and associate degrees for military personnel. It is located in Murray, near the 5300 S exit off I-15 in a facility that USU used to occupy.

Its status is similar to BYU, Westminster, Western Governor's University, and LDS Business College--in terms of being private, not-for-profit and with regional accreditation.

There are a host of for-profit colleges in Utah without regional accreditation, but Columbia College is not one of them.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Dear higher education officials:

Welcome to Obamaville. We have less money and more public debt to pay off now, so we have to stop spending money on non-essential things.

You do too!

And after decades of constantly increasing tuition and fees above the rate of inflation, you have more than cushioned yourselves against a decade or so of no increase, or even actual decreases in funding.

Now, go cut your budges to get rid of fluff courses, lavish perks, wacky liberal indoctrination courses, and bloated staffs.

FDRfan
safety dictates, ID

I grew up as a child of an Appalachian coal miner where a mules safety was valued more than a man because a replacement mule had to be purchased but a new man was freely replaced. My children grew up as sons and daughters of a middle class college professor in a college town. My grandchildren were born to doctors, educators and business owners.
The laissez faire and caveat emptor ideology was being replaced by Keynesian economics, progressivism, and Eisenhower infrastructure of super highways. The rural electrification by TVA was witnessed by my parents.
In the movie The Great Outdoors Chet and Roman are sitting on a cabin porch overlooking a beautiful lake, surrounded by a forest. Chet sees it from a Garden of Eve perspective while Roman sees the forest as timber to be cut, the land to be mined and drilled, and the lake as a refuse for nuclear and medical waste.
Today we may be faced with a choice between a cruel and heartless 999 plan of Herman Cain and tax cash for clunkers policies of Barack Obama. What kind of a role will our educational system play in the lives of our youth?

A1994
Centerville, UT

@FDRfan (and anyone else who thinks government spending is the answer)

Go to youtube and look up 'World Collapse Explained in 3 Minutes' by John Clark and Brian Dawe. Keynesian economics have brought Europe to its knees. What you think worked yesterday, we are paying dearly for today.

FDRfan, as much as you want to paint with a broad brush and make conservatives out to look like the Grinch and Ebeneezer Scrooge and Dracula and Darth Vader and the Wicked Witch of the West and Mr. Potter, it's really not sticking. This isn't that kind of country. Even the malcontents protesting on Wall Street are using iPhones made by one of the corporations they are protesting. They are demanding that 'the rich' pay for their college tuition. At least they can go to college and enrollment is at a high right now.

Really, when you think about it, the words of President Gordon B. Hinckley would go a long way today: "Forget yourself and go to work."

ksampow
Farr West, Utah

Increased enrollment brings increased tuition revenue. Sounds like a little belt-tightening is in order at colleges and universities.

FDRfan
safety dictates, ID

A1994 | 10:00 a.m. Oct. 13, 2011
Centerville, UT

I agree with the advice given to President Hinckley by his father and I believe President Hinckley was about as perfect of a role model as we have seen. I tried to do that as a missionary. But if you are upset over my calling Cain's 999 plan cruel and heartless then we are worlds apart. I believe that our not seeing eye to eye is over you conservatives painting the Democrats as lazy louts who want to live on the dole. When I became a full professor 4 years after getting a PhD I became puffed up, arrogant and condescending. But in my career I made no real contributions to society. My illiterate father, on the other hand, mined coal for 44 years that helped fuel the opportunities you are now endowed with at birth. Measuring a person's worth, or his willingness to work, by his wealth accumulation is simply false.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Education is a bottomless pit. No amount of money will satisfy the hunger for more funding. As exemplified by Obama;

Sacrifice and tighten your belts!

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