to: UVWhiteKnight | 6:14 p.m. Oct. 3, 2011 The Celestial Kingdom is
no different than a temple. God will surely not allow everyone into HIS house
who is not worthy. Every worthy person has full access to the most sacred of
places on Earth. The tabernacle served its purpose and now a more
important purpose will be served, doing saving ordinances for those who can't do
them on the other side. The city of Provo should build a new
facility for the public and not a private church who owns and built the original
This morning I was thinking about the terrible loss of Matthew B. Brown. His
research on the LDS temple has really made a difference in my life. Then, I
reflected on the death of Hugh W. Nibley and how we've recently lost two of the
greatest scholars on the temple. Then it hit me, the last time I was in the
Provo Tabernacle was for Hugh Nibley's funeral. HOW COMPLETELY FITTING IT IS
THAT THE TABERNACLE WERE HE WAS MEMORIALIZED WILL NOW BE A TEMPLE TO THE GOD ON
HIGH. The celestial workings are undeniable. Matt an Hugh, I miss
you both, but am grateful for the legacies of scholarship you left behind.
The builders of the Provo Tabernacle were building a holy house to God, it is so
fitting that a historical restoration of the exterior of the burned out
tabernacle become a Holy Temple in downtown Provo. Everyone is invited to become
worthy to attend the temple, which will have an uplifting influence on the area.
How wonderful to finally have a Temple Square in Provo.
Wonder what the second Provo UT Temple will be named. Now temples are named for
their city/state or city/country. Does anyone know for sure? maybe Provo
Downtown UT Temple? then they could rename the first one Provo North UT Temple?
I am greatful that the LDS church is going to save the Provo Tabernacle, and
trun the building into a temple
Allen#1: The Provo tabernacle was the oldest building in the entire state. It
will be fully restored to the original beautiful building that it was and it
will be a beautiful temple and the only one to look like that.
Just to clarify a point or two. There is no "main street" in Provo.
There is Center Street( running east to west ) and University Avenue( running
north to south) . The Provo Tabernacle is located at the corner of 100 South and
University Ave. Having attended my college graduation from Utah Technical
College at Provo and many other events including stake conferences, in the
Tablernacle, I am very excited for it's new life.For those who say it will
not be up-to-date or up-to-code you are sadly mistaken. Any remodeled or new
structure must meet current building, mechanical, and electrical codes. As well
the church always does everything first class and uses tne best of techology and
all other things.
Based on what I have read, there are NO plans to do an "extreme
makeover" of the Provo Temple as is being done in Ogden. The Provo Temple
is not located in an industrial, warehouse area.In my opinion after
looking at the proposed renovation, the "Provo Tabernacle Temple" is
ugly and does not look like a temple. Won't it cost $,$$$,$$$ more
to build a safe new temple saving the unstable walls of the old tabernacle than
to build an attractive, functional, up-to-code new temple? The Logan
Temple interior was gutted many years ago and the Logan Temple is not as
functional as the Provo or Jordan River temples.
The rebuilding of old Provo Temple requires three temples to take some load off
without having to resort to Manti travels. The temple that is just off the BYU
Campus will not start "Ogden Rebuilding" until both Payson and
Downtown Provo temple are completed. I did not say that but it was the feelings
from most of us in Utah.
Before 1917, there were two tabernacles on the block. Wouldn't it be great if
the Church rebuilt the Old Provo Tabernacle to its historic appearance and
opened it as a center for worship and community events?P.S. to
UVWhiteKnight: Why are you complaining about the sale of a fraction of a block
to the LDS Church but not the sale of 100 West to NuSkin?P.P.S. to
Bluto: Raising something makes it higher, not lower. You mean
"raze."P.P.P.S. to Rational: Now Main Street will be on
the way to somewhere: to a temple.
UVWhiteKnight - "Public Property ought not be dispensed so
easily..."Let me remind you of what the article said:
"Almost instantly (after the fire) I started getting texts and calls from
people saying 'we have to save the tabernacle,'" the mayor said, though
that decision ultimately rested with the building's owner, The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints."The tabernacle isn't public
property. It's owned by the LDS church, and if they feel the need to turn it
into a temple, they have every right to do so, the same right you have to turn
your own home into a place or worship or business. I believe most
LDS faithful would agree that a new temple in Provo has been long needed. Along
with the new temple in Payson, these two new temples will take a lot of pressure
off of the Provo temple and allow more opportunities for members of the church
to have easier access to temple blessings.
"Revitalizing" Provo's Main Street is NEVER going to happen. It isn't
on the way TO or FROM anywhere. The key to real estate is, always has been, and
always will be location, location, location. When I-15 bypassed Main Street and
the University Mall was opened on the way to BYU and away from Main Street,
downtown Provo's fate was sealed.
Yes, CG is right, "those who choose to be offended will always find
something to offend them."And, it's wonderful that the Church
opened the doors of the Provo Tabernacle to the community for so many years, but
unfortunate that now that they can no longer do that, people are offended.
People should be grateful for the Church's generosity to begin with and then
allow them to do with their property what they see best.I also agree
about the NuSkin building and the other items of modern or incompatible
architecture that are being built. It's a shame that so much of current
architecture is to bland and ugly. True beauty is no longer appreciated in this
post-modern, deconstructionist world.
It was nice to be able visit the Tabernacle and to enjoy community events there.
However, the type of renovation it will take to save the building may not lend
itself to continuing the same use as before. I'm grateful that the building
will be saved.When it comes to limited access to LDS temples. If
I'm that desperate to go inside of a building, then I do what is necessary to
qualify myself for admittance. The White House is the "People's
House", and yet not everyone just walks in off of the street at will.
There is protocol and applications for tours, but if I really want to go in, I
do what is needed.
Provo City made a big mistake by not completely preserving their Historic Main
Street as Park city did. Blending 19th and early 20th century architecture with
the 21st Century, rarely works too well. There is still enough to be preserved,
but a few things need to take place.NuSkins building needs a new
shell. Strip off the black glass and re-do with brick, stone and limited glass.
Much as the Zions Bank building was re-done in SLC. However, use more natural
materials than they used.The Marriott needs a similiar overhaul.
Stucko? C'mon now.The Convention Center is fine, I suppose, as it is
at least set back abit from Main Street, although old structures were still
razed.Save what is left, and develop some protocols in order to
preserve Provo's Main Street charm.Also, perhaps the Nuskin parking
Garage can be raised and placed underground in conjunction with the new Temple
parking. This area should be landscaped as well.Ideally, it would be
aesthetically more pleasing if the street just south of the Tabernacle was
closed and conjoined with the block to the south to create large landscaped
grounds (plaza). As it was originally.
Re: UVWhiteKnight | 6:14 p.m. Oct. 3, 2011"Provo Tabernacle will now
proclaim on city's Main Street: Only Active Mormons Wanted"That
same false argument was made about the Main Street Plaza in Salt Lake City. In
reality people of all faiths go there to enjoy the beauty and peace it
provides.Likewise Provo will benefit financially from the
construction of this new temple. Property values will go up, and businesses
will benefit from out of town visitors. It is a win-win for Prove and it's
Dear Collin Card: You are absolutely right. The NuSkin building does
absolutely nothing for downtown Provo and was built using federal grants. It's
ugly and is completely out of place there.and...UVWhiteKnight:
ANYONE can enter a Temple. All they have to do is live the standards, get a
recomment and go. No one is excluded if they only choose the right path. CG is
right. Anyone who chooses to be offended will always find a way to be offended.
It is always based on personal choice.
UVWhiteKnight, I don't find that the smoke shop or bar suits the needs of 80 of
Provo's citizenry. There are many people who don't enjoy the arts so the Covey
Center is out. The bicycle shop does not cater to the needs of the disabled or
infirm aged. Etc... It is ok to have multiple buildings, businesses that reach
out to diverse populations in a downtown area. Not every part of a downtown
will appeal to every citizen. While I understand you may have preferred the
tabernacle to be open to all, it will still suit the needs of many and will do a
great deal to enhance the vitality of downtown Provo. Your arguments come
across more as a bitter jab against the majority than a well-reasoned argument
against a "terrible" decision. I am a newcomer to town having lived
in places where various peoples come together. I have been pleased to welcome
the announcement of a new mosque as well as a new Hindu temple. I found joy in
their happiness and could celebrate with my friends of different viewpoints. I
wish the same for you.
I noticed the artist drawing left the Nu Skin building out entirely.
Now if only someone could buy the ugly NuSkin building that does not fit in in
any way to the beautifully restored downtown and tear it down!
UVWhiteKnight People who choose to be offended will always find
something to offend them.
Ben H: I hate to break this to you, but Provo is not Ogden. Nothing against our
friends in Weber county, but the demographics are different, the economies are
different, need I go on?This will change downtown Provo in ways we cannot
ChrisNSuz writes, No? Well until I can prop my feet up on your
coffee table and dominate your remote, why don't you mind your own business
about what others do with their property,... hmmmm?Orin Ryssman
replies,This is as ungracious a remark as I have heard and reflects
a lack of appreciation for not just the original structure (a tabernacle for
those of the LDS faith to meet) but for what the structure has become, a place
for community events where all are allowed to attend. There are plenty of
structures for the LDS to meet in and congregate yet few of the size or stature
of the Provo Tabernacle that bring the community together, LDS and others.
Thidder: Utah is an english only state
I'm estatic the LDS church is going to rebuild the Tabernacle to it's somewhat
previous state, hopefully I can atleast see the inside before dedication. It's
alot better than a NUSKIN building addition, but not as good as a place of
worship that everyone can enter :}
Indeed, ChrisNSuz, I often open my home to strangers, most usually friends of
friends, but nevertheless. Please just try to expand your minds narrow
horizons, and see the loss of the Tabernacle as I do. The temple will be a
beautiful building with nice, well kept grounds, I look forward to that, but it
will not have the same flavor as before.Another factor is that if
this property was sold at below cost and without public notification(sentiment
would have been overwhelming, but I digress), whoever signed off for it needs to
be reprimanded or sacked if an elected official. Public Property ought not be
dispensed so easily, though a history of Provo reads with multiple events of
similar corruption( the Seven Peaks "Ski Resort", the sale of water
rights to SL to buy a one term senator, etc).Ben H, that is a
interesting thought, any specific sources?
I know that there are many people who think that this won't work and are worried
about it. For those people I can assure you that the Lord's hand is in this and
revelation was received by the prophet about it. If the Lord is in this, why
After seeing how well this has worked for Ogden, I don't think that I would be
too excited about the potential for development around the new temple. The
church has stepped in and purchased the property around the temple and sold it
for a loss, and in some cases, it still has not worked very well.
So "UVWhiteKnight", if you don't mind, I would like to make sure that
we can all still come over and use your house on Sunday to watch the football
games and raid your fridge. You know you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite about
this would you? Your home and property aren't just for the "right
type" and an "exclusive club" for people who share your DNA. No?
Well until I can prop my feet up on your coffee table and dominate your remote,
why don't you mind your own business about what others do with their
The Provo Tabernacle was a place where non-mormons, jack-mormons, ex-mormons,
and active mormons were all welcome. Instead of that cultural breadth and
unifying presence in the community, the Provo Tabernacle will now proclaim on
city's Main Street: Only Active Mormons Wanted (In Provo, by association). A
beautiful building that says look but don't touch, unless you are the
"right" type, an exclusive club.
I'm just grateful they're saving the tabernacle and making it even better. It
will also do a lot for downtown Provo just as Temples upgrade the area
re: ClarkKentYeah I'm sure the property next to the rundown
travelodge motel and a dumpy restaurant is a hot commodity that so many people
were after.I'm glad the church is building a temple there and it
will help all of downtown Provo a lot. There isn't much of a reason for most
people to go there. In the future there will be.
This is great news. Just wondering, based on location, will this be a
predominantly Spanish speaking temple? I sure hope so in behalf of all of us.
Is the City offering any other developers (other than the LDS church) property
at below market rates in an attempt to speed up downtown development?