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Published: Monday, Oct. 3 2011 7:00 a.m. MDT

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anon oped
AMERICAN FORK, UT

Dear Sir,

It saddens me to see you do not understand your own constitutional protections and are freely willing to give them away to another person.

The right of due process is in place to protect you the innocent civilian from unwanted government intrusion. Not to protect traitors. But the law has to be applied evenly.

Let's say someone powerful in the government suspects your father of doing some 'things' to children. Using your own logic, the state can declare him a bad man without proof and can now take unilateral action to remove him from society. Without habeas corpus, due process, etc.

You're actually supporting and backing the positions of Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. I implore you to educate yourself.

You also have a responsibility as a 'journalist' to report news in a truthful light.

Jaayy
ARLINGTON, VA

More inch-deep analysis for another media advocate for never ending war.

AndyK
Elgin, IL

Ron Paul is not wrong about this and is actually just saying that doing things like this are against America's laws of due process because . It's true and it makes sense. Maybe we should stay at war for 10 more years and waste trillions more on an un-winnable mission? Seems to be what you want. Oh and by the way, this is not about religious differences, it's about occupation.

Please America...THINK!

KM
Cedar Hills, UT

Why would Obama be against pouring a little water on a terrorists face, but OK with actually killing the terrorist and everyone else around him? I guess killing is not as brutal as water on the face?

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Apparently if you do not feel the way the writer does, you are not a thinker and are not ready for "prime time." My question: Has Al-Awlaki actually killed anyone, or merely encourged killing? Should Palin have been executed for the possible encouragement of people in America using force against our own administration? Get real, Mr. Opinion!

With that said, I have no problem with what happened. He may have been American-born, but was not really an American, in my opinion!

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

@KM: Because it's defined as torture, and the US is against torture, that's why. And there is absolutely no data - even though Cheney said it worked - to prove that the practice provided any more intelligence than nontorture tactics. In fact, there are high-up interrogators who have publicly declared that their efforts through nontorture means provided much more meaningful intelligence than that obtained through waterboarding. With that said, do you disagree with Obama killing these folks or not?

Riles
Midway, UT

Wow...really juvenile article. It doesn't take any intellectual honesty to support the illegal but popular killing of an American citizen. It takes a statesman to protect our right to due process in the face of popular opposition. Ron Paul should be lauded for this principled stand in the same way that John Adams is remembered favorably for his defense of the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre.

By the way, journalists report facts. You have taken the liberty of attributing to Dr. Paul opinions that he "probably" holds or actions he would "most likely" take. In my opinion, that's the very definition of yellow journalism.

Thumbs down.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Torture, don't torture, does it really matter? These terrorists have thrown the rulebooks out the window.

This is what many people don't understand. It's the way Muslim extremists have been raised and indoctrinated. We are the infidel, the eternal enemy, and the greatest thing a jihadi can do in life is to kill us. They can't be reasoned with, diplomacy doesn't work. They would gladly exterminate every single one of us if they could, it's literally kill or be killed. To stop them you have to play their game, go anywhere and do anything in order to win. That is the measure of depravity we are facing.

We look in our history books and see that the Japanese held the same attitude in WWII. Every man, woman and child was willing to fight to the death in order to achieve their objective. That's why we firebombed Tokyo, that's why we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The only way to end this is to make them understand that we will exterminate their entire civilization in order to ensure the survival of our own.

VST
Bountiful, UT

I have wondered during this discussion (of killing terrorists who are U.S. citizens), was all those Confederate soldiers that were killed in the Civil War denied their Constitutional rights of "due process" per the 5th Amendment? What about that handful of rebels who were killed during the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794 in Western Pennsylvania?

Abe Sarvis
Cedar City, UT

VST - no, they were not denied their constitutional rights because there was a declared state of war: declared by Congress as required by the Constitution, not just started by a President without following the law. That's what Ron Paul is saying - if we're to be a nation of laws, then perhaps we should follow at least the major ones.

Gruffi Gummi
Logan, UT

Story: "For the second time this year, Americans can celebrate..."

That's the problem. Killing terrorists or enemy combatants is necessary. But there is nothing to "celebrate". One of the foundation of our European civilization is some elementary respect for death, even the death of a sworn enemy. Who thinks otherwise, belongs to the realm of savagery, dancing on graves. Shame on you, Mr. Paredes!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

*'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,473 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 08/02/2011

Bottom line, I agree that we should leave Iraq and Afgahnistan.

*'Last U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq' - By Rebecca Santana - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/19/10

'Seven years and five months after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq, well ahead of President Barack Obama's Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat operations there.'

*'Obama likely to cut 10K troops from Afghanistan' - By Robert Burns - AP - 6/21/11

*'Obama address: Withdrawing surge troops by 2012' - By Julie Pace - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/22/11

And Obama has done that...

AND given the order to kill Osama Bin Laden and now, Al-Awlaki.

Strange that the same supporters of George W. Bush to INVADE Iraq and Afghanistan...

now criticize Obama for doing what George W. Bush, failed to accomplish in 8 years.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I have noticed something about Ron Paul. He doesn't like Israel as much as most other politicians. Whenever he says something that is a little out of mainstream, big Israel supporters, like Michael Medeved, and Mark Paredes, will criticize him as being out of the mainstream, not ready for prime time, etc.

It leaves me wondering, are these political hits that are being made against him because he doesn't support Israel. Basically, the price a politician pays if he stands up for US interests over those of Israel?

In terms of the issue at hand, my view is that this guy was at war with the US so I think that it is justified, but I respect Ron Paul for making the stand that he did. It shows integrity and that he is a free thinker.

Liz1313
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Where is the objective point of view in this story? The whole story is completely one-sided! Nowhere in this article does he mention the reasons Dr. Paul gave for his stand on what happened to Al-Awlaki. Not to mention the ridiculous inefficient background he gave on Dr. Paul. I am assuming you did this to try and discredit Dr. Paul. You lack absolute logic in your article!
Question: Since you provide a lack of evidence to support your claims about his inability to handle prime time What then makes you so special or credible that the readers should just take your word for it?? What makes you qualified to deem Dr. Paul, who has fought relentlessly to protect the constitution and stood firmly without budging on his values (that also represent the values this country were founded on) for over THREE DECADES as unprepared or unelectable? There IS NO candidate out there that could even come close to Ron Pauls experience, knowledge, and squeaky clean voting record. I know this because of something called RESEARCHsomething every American SHOULD DO before they vote instead of swallowing this vomit they call news.

Riles
Midway, UT

@ Delta.

Yeah! Let's just send over a few hundred ICBMs to root out the terrorists hiding amongst the millions. Those that die innocently are just collateral damage anyway.

I'm assuming you are in favor of pulling all or our troops out of the Arab world. Since the extremists over there can't be reasoned with and don't care about diplomacy there's no point to us training their security forces, building their hospitals, schools, bridges...spilling our blood. We should also stop funding the Arab world with aid too, right? Which candidate proposes these measures anyway? Just askin'.

Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

Mr. Paredes,
You are wrong on several accounts. Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist. He did not say the fact that this man is gone was sad, but the fact that we casually are accepting the idea that the President can target American citizens for assassination without due process is sad. If you look deeper than your visceral reaction, Ron Paul is always talking about the principle, not so much the specifics of a given event. No politician in America is ready for prime time, for clear headed thinking about what is best for America than Ron Paul.

J93
ROY, UT

I agree 100% with author. If you'd defected during the revolutionary war you'd have been treated as an enemy combatant. The same holds true of every war since, up to and including this one. The world isn't a perfect place and rounding up international terrorists isn't as easy as it sounds. There's no going in and arresting international terror suspects. It puts lives at risk, but not yours, so what does it matter - right?

VST
Bountiful, UT

To my knowledge Abe, there was no Congressional Declaration of War made against the Confederacy. Could you please provide a reference?

There have been only five formal Congressional Declarations of War in our history and the Civil War was not one of them. There were certainly Declarations of Secession by the eleven Southern States, which could be defined as being in rebellion.

Secondly, what about the Whiskey Rebellion? There was no Declaration of War, but yet, U.S. citizens were killed by the Militia organized and sent to quell the rebellion by President Washington.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

Ron Paul comes the closest to be a constitutionalist of any of the highly visible candidates. Of course he will step on some toes of those who have some particular political ax to grind. I am not at all sad that this guy was executed, but celebrating isn't appropriate because of respect for life, and the fact that it is just an isolated instance, not a real victory in the war against terrorism. And of course there is the due process issue, not be be taken lightly. I also suspect that the article does not explain Ron Paul's full explanation of his position. I'm not impressed with the article.

Jon12
LOS ANGELES, CA

I think the thing that bugs me more about this is that Brother Parades is a member of my High Council here in LA. I know he means well and does a lot of work in bridging the Jewish and LDS communities together but this does not mean he is correct on this issue either from an LDS perspective or a constitutional perspective.

Our prophets have warned us over and over again (especially Ezra Taft Benson), to adhere to the Constitution and learn it and understand it and defend it. Its an inspired document that we are to fight for. What happened is not constitutional in the slightest bit and we should be worried about that. As an LDS member it saddens me when our own leaders do not listen to our Prophets and stand up for our Constitution. Justifying the killing of a US citizen, without due process is throwing out our rule of law and placing the Constitution on the back burner while our government makes the decision of who should be assassinated or not. This is not what are country is about. We need to defend the Constitution!

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