Having lived in Washington DC, I see what ugly politics looks like and this
ranks right up there. Utahans should be ashamed of this map. This was
submitted two days before the committee voted on it and passed as quick as
possible without making it appear biased. Truly pathetic. I voted Repub while
in DC, now I will be forced to vote Dem while here in Utah so that we hopefully
will not have this type of disgracefulness going forward.
If I were a city or county government, I would like the pizza slice plan. It
would give them more than one representative to go to when they need help.
Utah already has the lowest voter turnout in the country. We can't afford to be
further disenfranchised. Take a minute to review the maps and see how they will
affect you as a voter, then write to your elected representatives before the
special session begins tomorrow. It's a shame they already seem to
have forgotten who they work for and what happened with HB477. Let's remind them
tomorrow by attending tomorrow's rally at the capitol at 11:30am, where the
thousands of signatures gathered in the Speak Up Utah petition drive will be
delivered to our lawmakers.
I wish i could attend. Last March I attended that HB477 and got to see the ugly
smirks from our legislators as they truly believed that we were not going to a
force to be reckoned with. I hope this goes the same direction. These guy's
behavior is nothing but repulsive and hypocritical.
This places Holladay in an excellent position. They will have 3 representatives
and if they have a compelling argument, three times the influence in the
House.On the other hand, if the argument is not compelling, raise
your own taxes and pay for it yourselves.In an era when the Feds are
so deeply in debt and getting more so at an accelerated rate, I am not sure the
pork potential for an urban only representative is a good argument.
It would be nice if this state could actually do it right but it seems our
current legislators are only interested in keeping themselves employed.
(Surprise, surprise...) Even the LDS Church has said (time and time again) that
it would like to see both parties well represented in our state, so all peoples
and all points of view have representation, and issues have actual debate on
both sides - I guess our legislatures chose not to understand that as they do
everything they can to have a Republican monopoly here. Shame on
I think I solved a puzzle. I watched a movie Sunday on BYUTV. The star was
someone with the occupation and net worth of Mitt Romney, judging by his house
and autos for the occasion. It was a typical Utah setting with conversations
about church, missions, etc. My wife was deeply engrossed and wished that she
had a similar life style. She enjoyed the movie so much that I realized why so
many Mormon families vote Republican in spite of economic circumstances more
befitting those of Democrats. We may not be able to really live like Republicans
but, doggone it, we can vote that way.
If we went back to the time of the founding fathers, I don't think you would
ever find a Lockhart or Waddoups or any other member of this committee there.
Our current Utah leaders are only worried about their own electon and their
party's success - they couldn't care less about the people they
"represent."A three year old child with a box of crayons could
come up with a map that makes more sense than this one.
Paul Rolly provided an interesting perspective on this issue in the Salt Lake
Tribune on Oct. 1. Possible results of consistent gerrymandering include low
voter turnout, fostering of extreme political positions within each party, and
of course a general disenfrachisement of the political minority. The
gerrymandering in Utah is so blatant I am amazed that anyone can defend it.
Republicans in Utah know it, but lack the ethics to buck the national trend and
refuse to participate in it. You already have the majority of representation,
what makes you think it is ethical to take a grab a larger share than is
representational of the population?
I predict Carl Wimmer will be given his own private district. I hope Mia Love
gives him a run for his money.
It is a good thing that many of the people of Utah are conservative. With what
the democrates want, those of us who live out in the country would be totally
left out. Utah is still mostly rural! Every repreasentative should have to deal
with some of our issues. I like the pizza slice map. That way most of the
leaders of this state can't just ignore us, and maybe they won't be giving our
water away to other states. Maybe they will have to spend time here? Maybe they
will see the choke hold the federal government has on jobs in central and
Representation. Fairness. Equality. Progress.Most elected officials
use these words to attract our attention and gain our support. Do the officials
and the constituency even believe in, or agree to the same definitions attached
to these words? There is only one word that everyone seems to understand equally
across the board, lawsuit. It is not about being right. It is about doing the
right thing. The Democrats are the minority party because elections have
consequences. The Republicans are the majority party, but that does not mean
they do not have a duty to listen. It is not about Mormons and non-Mormons. It
is about taking for granted our rural areas. It is about making sure that rural
Utah has a voice that can be heard. There are too many people talking, but no
one is really listening. In the end, the citizen is stuck with the legal bill,
and the citizen is broke. Only in politics does this "solution" make
Spoc: "This places Holladay in an excellent position. They will have 3
representatives and if they have a compelling argument, three times the
influence in the House.On the other hand, if the argument is not
compelling, raise your own taxes and pay for it yourselves."Isn't this Taxation Without Representation? Are you implying that Holladay
residents should not pay federal taxes and keep everything in our city? ...Or we
continue to pay federal taxes and everything goes to cities like yours... Ogden
is it? Then, Holladay citizens pay again while our federal tax dollars go to
other citiies?Three representatives pulled in three directions
cannot "represent" anyone very well. Not fair to Holladay Citizens.
Not fair to the Representatives.
The DNews reports: "Redistricting drama to play out at special Legislative
session."Sure, yeah, that'll work.With the
lopsided, bend over backward as far to the right as possible legislature as we
have on capital hill, we'll soon be rid of every Democrat in the state!At least as far as representation is concerned.Seems I heard of
that happening in history before. I think it was called "fascist
It'll be fun watching Wimmer trying to get his six-gun past the U.S. Capitol
"With what the democrates want, those of us who live out in the country
would be totally left out." How does giving you more power in ONE
district mean you are "left out" compared to completely diluting your
power and influence among 3 or 4 districts?"Utah is still
mostly rural!"Maybe in terms of square miles, but Utah is the
6th MOST URBAND state in the country. The idea that Utah has a predominantly
rural population is a myth."Every repreasentative should have
to deal with some of our issues."More like every representative
will be able to completely ignore you because their re-election won't hinge on
your vote. Let's say, for examples sake, that 20% of the state's
population is rural. 100% of the population is divided among 4 districts for
approx 25% of the state in each district. Now, do you think you
will have more sway with a Congressman if the 20% rural population is in one
district (making it 80% of the district) or do you think you will have more sway
when you are divided up between all four (only 20% of each district)?
with less than 30% of the state complaining and one of those being Rocky
Anderson....I would say that the redistricting plan is a winner....go with it!
Anything the Utah legislatures attempt to do is nothing more than drama .. the
headline for this article was right on.
re TRUTH: I agree. If Rocky Anderson is against it, I am for it.
To TRUTH | 9:32 a.m. Oct. 3, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT with less than
30% of the state complaining and one of those being Rocky Anderson....I would
say that the redistricting plan is a winner....go with it! ----------------------Why do you want to disentranchise anyone who
doesn't hang out on the far right wing of the political spectrum? It would seem
equitable that moderates and liberals should also have someone who would speak
In Arizona we have an independent redistricting commission, and it works fairly
well. I hope Utah adopts a similar system before 2020 rolls around.
@Furry...Feeling disenfranchised? Move to California and take Rocky with you!!
Elections have consequences. There is no controversy here. It is a state
controlled media that listens to the liberals. This redistricting process is
completely fair and proper. Case closed. The democrats are crying foul to
attempt securing Matheson's seat and other democrats that may run in the future.
The democrats have proven they are wrong and have led this country down the
wrong path. They caused this recession with the Dodd and Franks run Fanny Mae
and Freddy Mac debacles. And our current President, along with Pelosi and Reid
have given us Obama care and the national chaos we are witnessing. Case closed.
Lets say for instance that we have no one who really cares about central Utah?
Well that is who we are to the democrates. They do not care about the people
here! They listen to the enviromentalists. It is like we do not exist, or they
don't want us to exist! Well, we are here and we are not going anywhere. Every
rule passed that leaves us with less ability to make a living only makes us hate
the people in the cities more. It is class warfare, brought on by the
democrates, and big government who are forcing us out of our way of life.
Burning the mountains down, cutting off the water, cutting the cattle grazing,
and mining rites, closing roads to private property and eliminating access to
federal lands even for recreation.