Comments about ‘REAL ID Act leaving some legal immigrants feeling hopeless’

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Published: Saturday, Oct. 1 2011 11:30 p.m. MDT

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Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

I thought Republicans were all about less government regulation. Oh, that's right. Less regulation on them, more on everyone else. Certainly something that Jesus would do.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

@Midwest Mom
There's a lot of excess baggage in that comment of yours. The Real ID Act was the result of some very evil people flying airplanes into buildings and killing 3,000 innocent people in the process.
Congress (controlled by Democrats at the time) passed the Real ID Act in an effort to keep terrorists from gaming the system and getting licenses. George W Bush signed the Act into law.
Now, what was it you had to say about this process?

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Real ID is less about 9-11 and more about grand-standing, knee-jerk reactions by photo-op politicians. You'd feel differently about this, Third try, if this impacted your ability to drive.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Congress set the standards for drivers license ID, and it is a pain (even for native born U.S. citizens) but it is a logical process and if followed will help.

Thus the problems being encountered by this family.

However, the process is not foolproof. It is widely known that illegal document mills will produce fake drivers license, social security cards, birth certificates and other forms of ID for around $300 or less.

Blind adherence to the process for legal immigrants is perhaps a good thing, but the rampant document fraud and fake ID business makes it nearly worthless as an actual security measure.

But, it is a program designed by Congress, so no one should be surprised by the cost, complexity, inefficiency and ineffectivness.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

@Midwest Mom
I feel your pain. We've been at this since the mid-1980s. First kids had to get Social Security cards to enter kindergarten. Then they required us to issue them to babies. All for the purpose of getting a handle on work authorization.
We've done what was expected of us and Washington failed to enforce the law.
I'm not crazy about Real ID and it looks like there are some inane regs that no one thought of.
Sorry for your problem, but homeland security has been a bipartisan foul-up. They seem to do a great job of punishing the innocent while leaving loopholes for the bad guys.

Northern
Logan, UT

Feels more like Nazi germany, let me see your papers please.
Am I wrong, are we not headed in that direction?

chiefbrady
Salt Lake City, UT

The news headline you'll never read is: "Dream Act leaves legal citizens upset with amnesty for illegals."

And another you'll never read is: "American born citizens feeling hopeless by Federal efforts to combat Illegal Aliens impact on our social, medical, educational, criminal and economic situations."

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Midwest Mom | 4:42 p.m. Oct. 1, 2011
"I thought Republicans were all about less government regulation."

This has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. Utah adopted the federal REAL ID Act in January 2010.

There are two things to remember about Jesus.
1) We've kicked Him out of schools and public meetings. It is no longer politically correct to mention His name.

2) There's no record that Jesus ever drove, and if He did He'd have a valid driver's license in the country of His citizenship.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Third Try Screen Name
REAL ID was passed in 2005 when Republicans controlled all 3 branches of the federal govt. It first was introduced by Republicans, was opposed by a majority of Democrats in the House but then got attached to a military funding bill, ensuring it's passage.

Now Republicans in several states are enacting strict voter ID laws in an effort to disenfranchise voters. Voter fraud was an issue Bush's Dept of Justice focused on. When some federal prosecutors (ex. David Inglesias) failed to find prosecutable voter fraud cases, they were fired.

Ok
Salt Lake City, Utah

They could have stayed in their home country and gotten a drivers license there. As it is, they are clogging up our drivers license registration system and taking three jobs from american born citizens.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Third try screen name.

"There's a lot of excess baggage in that comment of yours. The Real ID Act was the result of some very evil people flying airplanes into buildings and killing 3,000 innocent people in the process."

Those very evil people being the united states government. This attack was done inteionally with the intent to enslave us.

Ace
Farmington, UT

Ok: I appreciate these legal immigrants coming here, contributing to our economy, and reminding us that the American Dream is still alive and well.

Anti Bush-Obama: Thanks for a good laugh this morning.

Sunna
CALGARY, Alberta

Legal immigrants are not taking jobs from anyone. They apply and are qualified to do the job. It is my understanding that companies have to advertise for so many weeks for people to apply for the job. If people are not qualified or if no one answers the ads they can look for workers from other countries.
I would think the Labor department of the US government have certain rules that need to be followed in order to hire people from other countries. A company does not just decide to hire someone from another country and then just get all the permits to work in the USA. There is a lengthy process for this to happen.
So think before you speak.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

Illegal is illegal. I am always surprised how many want our borders broken down and how they want us a third world country. I am always surprised how many forget that there are those who would rather slit out throats then give us a chance to speak freely. I won't however be surprised that when the walls come tumbling down those who don't believe in borders and safety for America, will be the first ones crying for help.

RRB
SLC, UT

Our attempt to check illegal immigration and voter fraud is making it difficult for legal immigrants? Why don't we just enforce our immigration laws. That's the middle of the road that no one wants to talk about.

Visa or green card, if not mistaken they should be carrying their papers with them, it's Federal law.

That means that our staff has had to come up to speed on what type of documents would establish what type of status, Caras said, and that's not something we've ever had to do before.

It sounds like it's a training issue, go to another DMV office.

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

Any mention of the Real ID Act brings out the libertarians among us, which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, I doubt that the real ID Act is what this story is really about. I suspect it is more about expired visas and other such issues. Many libertarians also dislike E-Verify and would rather that our country be over run by border violators and visa overstayers than enforce laws that would prevent this. In fact many Libertarians believe that there should no more of a border between the U.S. and Mexico than between Utah and Colorado.

If you would like to compete for the lowest wage possible for both skilled and unskilled labor, perhaps we should have an immigration free for all. Anyone that believes this may wish to read up on "Substance Wage Theory."

Northern
Logan, UT

Thats not all the real ID act brought us. I searched DS for something referring to this law change seems like 1933 Germany to me. So thank-you Stephen H. Urquhart, (R) - District 29 County(ies): Washington county.

DRIVING PRIVILEGE CARD (DPC) HOLDERS -

Beginning July 1, 2011, all Driving Privilege Card (DPC) holders are required to submit a completed fingerprint card and photograph in a sealed envelope to the Driver License Division upon renewal, duplicate, or original application.

maybe we should focused on the fact that our freedoms are eroded more and more everyday.

bobdc6
park city, UT

Thanks to the Patriot Act, signed by both Bush AND Obama, we now live in a police state.

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