Investigation in the '4th quarter,' West Valley chief says
Book 'em, Danno.
I'm glad to hear this case is in the "4th quarter." But, what's the
score? Who's winning?
To EnglishAlan | 2:18 a.m. Sept. 29, 2011 The problem is that, quite
often, law enforsement officers develop a theory of a case early-on in an
investigation and then narrow their search and investigation paramemters to try
to prove that theory, instead of leaving themselves open to other alternative
theories. It appears that happened here -- they were upset that Josh Powell
because he hired an attorney and invoked his constitutional rights instead of
just letting them question him to their hearts' content about anything they
chose to investigate.In this case, there is no hard evidence
concerning what happened to Susan Powell. Specifically, there is no proof at
this point whether she is alive or dead (and, if dead, there is no evidence how
that happened). The police should be investigating all possibilities, instead
of just one. AND the police should not be "trying" this case in the
news media -- because of the statements they made, the jury pool is likely
seriously tainted and I have serious concerns about whether an impartial jury
could be seated to hear any case concerning this matter.
I'm grateful for the work the WVC Police are doing and yes I think Josh Powell
has not been as cooperative as he could've/should've if he's not guilty.However, to say things like "4th quarter" and "tipping
point" and "we have more than they can imagine" - you better be
able to back those statements up! WVC police better have something more than
just a bunch of circumstantial evidence. Any embarrassment that may come to the
WVC police dept will be a result of their own actions.One question I
haven't seen answered: Why did it take this long to seize all that evidence? I
can't believe that there wasn't enough probable cause from the outset to search
the Powell house more rigorously than they did initially.
I am not a reporter but the proof is in the pudding for Steve Powell with his
alleged problems with pornography that appear to haven't changed since 1992.
His children and wife appear to be in agreement with that. Josh always mention
that he hasn't been involved with illegal pornography. He just have researched
that term so he can get around his pornography viewing as far as custody of the
children. He always highlights "Illegal".
Now that this is all said and done, The General Public has learned about these
laws.We the People don't know what laws we are guilty of when we
don't know the law!
There seem to be a lot of folks on here have no time for the police. I have a
son that is a policeman here in England. The job of the police can be a
thankless task, and they cannot always say what they want to. There are other
times that they try to flush out the felon by releasing bits of information that
make them worried that you know more than you do. This can lead them to panic,
and do things they will later regret. It sounds like this is what the police
involved here may be doing.Please don't knock the Police. It may be
just around the corner that you may need them yourself. If you do, you will
want them to stay as focused as these officers seem to be.
Statistically, Josh is guilty, but, rightfully so, our society expects factual
proof to convict a person. I would be surprised if Josh is innocent, but before
rushing to judgment, I want to see the evidence. So far, I know,
Josh has nobody to trust except part of his family and the WVPD seem very
incompetent.Those who criticize Joshs moving his family back to
Washington and his unwillingness to keep talking to a Police Department that is
bent on convicting more than exploring all possibilities are naive. Yes, Josh's alleged camping is questionable. The Powells appear dysfunctional,
but which of us wouldnt behave the way Josh has if you were being falsely
accused in your wifes disappearance. Not saying he is innocent, just giving the
benefit of the doubt. Irresponsible comments by police such as 50/50
chance that the body we havent yet dug up is Susan Powell's is irresponsible.
Use the media to your benefit, but lets not jump to conclusions and
make stupid, presumptuous statements when the body hasn't been uncovered. It
may be the 4th quarter but if the evidence doesn't clearly convict Josh soon,
then WVPD needs a shakeup.
BobPowell in BC: .....and that's why Matlock is FICTION.
Innocent until proven guilty, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and
talks like a duck, its a duck. So Josh is an innocent duck.
Remember how many cases have been solved because the the cases have been kept
alive in the media. Remember the Elizabeth Smart case. People can continue to
slam the WVCPD but they need to use every tool they have to solve this case,
even the Media.
So, this is supposed to be an important factor in determining where the children
should go? You can read almost ANYTHING into this."The
children apparently knew one of the female Pierce County sheriff's deputies. The
other officers present said it was almost "emotional" how the two boys
sprinted to the deputy when they saw her and gave her a big hug, Nielsen
There was an old TV lawyer drama called Matlock that in one of its earlier
episodes had Matlock defending a bodyless murder case.In his address
to the Jury he said: "And the victim may walk through the door at any
moment." The door creaked and all 12 Jurors looked at the door. No one
came through.Matlock then said; There is your reasonable doubt -
you looked because you weren't sure.Not guilty. Too much police
hubris is a dangerous thing.
wow! 500k and counting? It seems like they have focused on only Josh since day
one, and I agree with some other posters that say maybe in their focus on Josh,
they potentially missed clues or other evidence to point them in a different
direction. I know it seems far fetched to believe that Susan disappeared with
the other guy, but WVPD can only say it's "unlikely" that happened.
Until they can actually prove things one way or the other, maybe they should
keep all avenues open.
I wouldn't call Josh a "mastermind." I'd call him "lucky."
Just like his daddy, who managed to keep his illegal porn for several years.
The sad thing is that in this police department's zeal to put out "good
press" about their efforts in solving ONE person's disappearance, they have
very likely destroyed other crime scenes in the desert. It sounds like they
sent 100s of volunteers out to a large area in the desert and have collected
just about everything they could find. How will other agencies who may be
looking for other lost individuals ever be able to make the tie into this
evidence that this small town police department is now holding onto?
I'll wait till the movie comes out
'We've got more stuff than they can even imagine'Yes but apparrently
none of that stuff is the 'right stuff'. Or the killer(s) would be in jail.
Re: boatersteve "When cops get this personal their objectivity
disappears... The approach used by West Valley is what gives rise to the need
for prosecutors to have their own investigators--to make sure the cops do it
right... All this grandstanding is amazing. The cop that lives by the press can
also perish by the press." Very, very well said! I couldn't agree with you
I'm sure the families of other victims of crime in this City are quite happy
with the promises this Chief has made and with all of the resources this Chief
has allocated to this particular crime (read sarcasm here). Now Chief, when are
you up for re-appointment of your position?
If they have more stuff than we could possibly imagine, how about some charges
I, too, am glad that West Valley PD is persuing this investigation with such
ferver. However, Chief Nielsen, why provide this interview in the first place of
a pending investigation? I don't the public needs this amount of detail.
Particularly with open/pending investigations, I'm always of the opinion to keep
one's mouth shut but keep the investigation going strong. It's OK to be a public
figure and not demand your 15 minutes of fame in a newspaper or on TV. All I
want to see are charges brought forward, and defendant(s) found guilty and
sentencing imposed. I, for one, don't need to know the details of the
As a former prosecutor when cops get this personal their objectivity disappears.
They become myopic and miss leads that would otherwise be there. The approach
used by West Valley is what gives rise to the need for prosecutors to have their
own investigators--to make sure the cops do it right. These same cops who want
"people of interest" to give up their constitutional rights are the
same cops that will use that information, real or imagined to prosecute may
suggest why someone would not want to speak with the police. All this
grandstanding is amazing. The cop that lives by the press can also perish by
@majmajorFirst of all, WVCPD INVITED the press to tag along at Ely.Second, police are well within their rights to demand distance from the
press.Third, their press conferences have been loose-lipped gaggles of
misinformation.Accommodating First Amendment rights is one thing;
their behavior is quite another.
Third try screen name | 6:48 a.m. Sept. 28, 2011 Mapleton, UT "The police chief should be ashamed of the way they have involved the
press."Have you ever heard of a little thing called the
"First Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, or the Utah Freedom of
Information Act? Law enforcement has no control over the press, and that is a
good thing. We want to know what is going on in our governments (especially law
enforcement).If you can't beat them, than have them help you. By
letting people know what is happening, and where they are looking maybe someone
will remember a trivial fact that will help the family find closure.
After the inept handling of this case to date, how can anyone take this
unprofessional crew seriously? All they've done so far is cry "Wolf!"
every few months--and then (for a reason I can't figure out) receive the support
of the press. This has to be frustrating for Susan's family.
The police chief should be ashamed of the way they have involved the press.It is not only unprofessional to have the media tagging along, but it also
contaminates the potential crime scene.WVCPD feeds the frenzy with
nonsensical press conferences and meaningless answers.Don't invite the
press. If they show up, keep them a mile away from the site and don't give them
photo ops. If they corner you, say "No comment."The chief and
his people have not done that.
Thanks to the Chief of Police for his tenacity and dedication to the people of
West Valley City, especially the children in cases such as this. I know the
police officers are just as committed to their job as evidenced by no days off
in the heat of the battle.
4th quarter and the clock is winding down. The WVC PD has only so many times
they can cry wolf before the press will start ignoring them. How interesting
that they created this media circus with their much publicized investigations
and now they need to deliver or admit they've got nothing. Let's see if Josh
will really talk to the FBI instead of the local cops, who seem to have decided
early on he was the guilty party and likely conveyed that attitude to him.
Chief Neilsen, you and your investigators are doing a really good job. I am glad
that you all are taking the time necessary to study and examine everything that
you have. Thank you for confirming some of the things that have been going
through my mind lately. To the families of those who are working this
case, Thank You for your patience and for the sacrifices that you are making to
see that justice is served. May God bless you all.
If it were my daughter who disappeared, I wouldn't expect any less than what the
West Valley City police are doing. My hat's off to them. Keep it up, take your
time, get it right, and may God bless your efforts.
I believe the best chance the police have of solving this case...is that we all
start praying for them, and for the children...that they can find the truth.
Prayer is a powerful force, and it is certainly needed now, in this case. Let's
all start to pray for a resolution to this case.
WVC PD keep up the hard work! I would rather see you take your time, and get it
right, than do a rush job.Most importantly, my prayers are with the
Powell's children. I hope they get whatever help they need.
Hopefully when this all ends the truth will come out and justice will be served.
And I hope those two little boys find a somewhat normal life again.