DrGroovey: the removal of the children was the right thing to do. Joshs fathe.
with whom he and his boys are living with, has committed a crime against
DrGroovey | 8:05 p.m. Sept. 26, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Are
you a child custody attorney and privy to all of the details of this case?
I also know if my wife suddenly disappeared, and I really thought she might have
run off with another man, I would not shrug my shoulders and say, "oh,
well--she's gone, I guess." I would try to reach out to her to try to help
her reconnect. Her leaving would actually be a cry for "help!"I would have nothing to hide, and I would help the police eliminate
myself as a suspect--the police ALWAYS must eliminate the spouse as a
suspect!But Josh Powell has so much to hide--he needs to hide his
father's addiction to child porn, filmed in his own house; he needs to hide
several facts associated with the time of Susan's disappearance; he needs to
desperately try to undermine his wife and try to redirect the police.It's time to allow the Cox's grandchildren have a chance at a normal life.
Josh and Steve Powell are too distracted with their own idiotic lives.
Re: BoomerJeff | 12:21 p.m. Sept. 27, 2011 Innocent husbands who
want to find their missing wives do everything thing in their power to help the
police find them.Most mothers don't vanish without a trace, leaving
their children behind, without leaving some kind of message or statement. The
vast majority of individuals who take their own lives are found almost
immediately.Most private citizens believe Josh is guilty for the
same exact reasons as law enforcement personnel have concluded.
Reality? Who would still be living with their father after him admitting
recently of his feelings for Susan and his accusations against her? I would
have been out of there so fast! If I really loved my wife, and was waiting for
her safe return, I would be wondering what my father's problem was that he was
spreading vicious lies (lies or not, my initial reaction would be that my wife
wasn't like that) all over the media about the person that I loved (as Josh
claims). I can't fathom why he would want to remain in the household after that,
unless I myself had reason to believe that there was no way she was ever coming
home to my "loving" arms.
I feel like I'm living in Salem during the witch trials. Guilty, Guilty, Guilty
is all I'm reading on these boards. What if Josh is innocent? Gee, I wonder
what else we can do to him? We've convicted him of murduring his wife, have
taken away his dad and two boys, but lets keep kicking him until he confesses .
. . I can see now why he moved from our community
They need to be in a neutral home for the immediate time given the grandfather's
arrest. Glad they were able to make a case without the missing mom,
but sad other victims. I really don't know who is the bad guy? Which
one did wrong? Both? Did the other know and become just as culpable by keeping
it secret? To live with a man who claims to have had a relationship
with your missing wife publicly and stay living with him suggests he may have
had a bad childhood as well. That is simply wrong.
I can't speak for the police in Washington, but for MY personal experience with
the Detectives in West Valley formerly investigated for a crime in which I was
innocent and two and a half years after charges were filed, all charges were
dropped because I wouldn't "PLEA", to something so hanious I stood for
the right or my life would be ruined, I know the Tricks and harrassment the West
Valley Detectives were willing to go too, in trying to get me to
"Crack". The problem was, with all their "Set Ups", name
dropping, and false witnesses whom never actually came forward, they didn't have
anything, frankly because I hadn't done anything! They followed me
"Conspicuously" inconspicuous, they threatened me, they hounded me,
and even called me names! In one interview they even denied me a drink of water,
and kept me from the bathroom for over an hour at one point. I am sure they
worked with someone to convince the Washington Police Department these fine
upstanding Detectives are on the "Up & Up" and something needs to
be done to PROTECT the children, as an act of harrassment against Susan Powell's
husband. Maybe I'm wrong, but Probably not!
Bizzare and Powell seem to go hand-in-hand. "A late-August search ... of
the Powell home ... resulted in thousands of pornographic images allegedly
belonging to Steven Powell being seized. Many of the pictures and videos were of
children. Some were of Susan, according to authorities, and appeared to be taken
without permission." Perhaps the net needs to be expanded to Person(s) of
interest and include the father. And here we thought the son was the odd one.
How any judge in their right could not grant full custody of the children to the
Cox family is beyond me. Certainly seems to be a huge difference between both
sets of grandparents.
We don't know if the grandson's pictures were among those found, if so, they
were right to remove them from that house. The behavior and action of both
father and son are questionable. Someone who will not allow visitation of these
young boys who have been deprived of their mother seems to hold some very
hostile feeling towards his wife/and her parents.
I am hoping beyond hope that Steven Powell didn't harm his grandchildren in any
way. If one of the adult Powell children knew about the porn in that house,
there's more than a good chance that all of them, even Josh, knew about it. I am glad that those babies are away from that house of horrors. At least now we know that no one is going to be able to run away with them.
I look forward to seeing similar comments the next time a seminary teacher hits
the news for having sexual relations with a kid -- I'd assume all of you accuers
will speak up and voice your opinion that the children in that teacher's family
should be removed because of course his wife must know about his sick behavior?
To the contrary, I recall an article on DN where members of a convicted seminary
teacher's ward attended the sentencing hearing and pleaded for no prison time
because the man was "such a good husband and father". Same with the
Brown family -- many posters made up a story in their mind that the mother
couldn't have known about the abuse that lasted for YEARS. Funny how many of
you turn isn't it!
L Kaiser: Josh's father can't be around the kids so it is unlikely that Josh
will get the kids if he continues to live with his father. DeltaFoxtrot: The children are young enough that it is likely that they won't
remember any of this.
I agree that it looks very much like Josh and/or his father have been involved
in various crimes, including murder. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a
duck, and swims like a duck, it probably is a duck. However - and it pains me
to say it in this case - our assumptions of that guilt are a far cry from a real
trial and a real verdict from a real jury who has listened to the entire body of
evidence, using the rules of evidence and the procedures of the court. If any
American's rights are trampled, then your or mine could be too.I
hate to see this murder go unsolved for the present time. But we live in a
country ruled by law, and no one is guilty till proven so. I just hope and pray
the police and courts are able to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and
in a timely manner.
I want to know at what point these kids are going to get a lawyer and sue the
rest of their family for ruining their lives. Pain and suffering should be worth
a couple million at least.
It has been more then a bad 19 months in the Powell household. No 64 year old
man wakes up one morning a decides he is attracted to children. This is all
years in the making. Powell Jr had to know what his Dad was up to. Powell Sr has
most likely be doing these kinds of things for a very long time. If I were a
betting man I would bet all of Powell Jr's life. This streak of
"bad-luck" is a complication of living a bad life!
It's been a bad 19 months in the Powell household.
Re: Mike Rose | 5:34 p.m. Sept. 26, 2011 "I just want good solid
evidence against Josh Powell"When Mark Hacking dumped his
wife's body in a dumpster he assumed the authorities would never be able to find
her ...... and they nearly didn't.You can be sure Susan's parents
and the police would dearly like to find solid evidence of where she is so they
can give her a proper burial.
I'm a firm believer that where there's smoke, there's fire. In a case that is
nothing short of extraordinary, this mess is cannot be resolved using ordinary
considerations...especially with these innocent young lives involved.
CPSIts a scary doubled edge sword.Please put the kids
with there loving grandparents if Josh is guilty. And if he is not time to
move away from daddy.
They could take his kids on grounds of negligence due to inadequate support due
to not having a job. However in cases where the household provider is
imprisioned usually a grace period is granted during which the non earning
occupants have time to find a job.I'm disturbed that our state
governments claim the right to take our children merely for not having a source
of income and benefits.,
I am distressed by the failure to act more quickly in the seizure of the
computers and the arrest of Steve Powell.Children were put at risk by the
delays in acting on tips received months ago.
The reason Washington Child Services is distancing themselves from this matter
is that they know the removal was illegal. The laws governing when children can
be removed from their parents are very clear. Josh has not even been accused
any wrong doing. The actions of the grandfather are irrelevant to Josh's
actions. Unless he does something to hurt the kids, they can not be removed. I
think Josh is going to be able to sue the officers involved and win big time.Wouldn't it be nice if the police had any evidence that Josh had done
something wrong. I just worry that one day evidence will surface that shows he
is innocent. On that day the police and the majority of the community will
really have some crow to eat.
I would like to see the Cox's get the children, but in court I think its gonna
come down to whether josh knew of his dads behavior. If he did, he can be deemed
negligent, if he was oblivious, he will be considered a "victim" and
the court will likely give him the kids back. Its gonna come down to proof of
whether josh was aware he was subjecting his kids to this unhealthy and
@mike rose when you have two young boys and you choose to live with somebody who
is a pedophile then you loose the right to your kids. Them being removed had
nothing to do with Susan and everything to do with a grandpa they are living
with that is sexually attracted to young kids!
I just want good solid evidence against Josh Powell, if there isn't he gets the
kids.Btw for all you mothers out there just because your husband or
boyfriend is a dirtbag and police claim you knew he was dirtbag doesn't mean
you'll lose your kids you only have to move out and never see the guy again.
what heartache for the Grandparents of these precious children. They will be in
I wish the Cox family the best of luck in getting custody of these boys. I hope
that these little boys can get professional help after what they have gone
through, losing their mother, not seeing her parents at all and who knows what
goes on in the home with their father and grandfather.
I sincerely hope that the authorities reviewing this take into consideration
that Josh Powell had to have been aware of his father's activities, and
therefore was not acting in his children's best interests to move in with Steve
Powell. Giving Susan's parents custody would be the ideal solution - in the
care of loving 'normal' family members.