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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 21 2011 9:43 a.m. MDT

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Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

The Pac 12 is not expanding because of Texas' Longhorn Network.
The Big 12 lacks stablility because of Texas' Longhorn Network.

Tom Holmoe is speed dialing the Big 12, but he has the same problem... a network. Nobody in the Big 12 wants yet another headache.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Moderate

You're confused.

Tom Holmoe is on the Big 12's speed dial and TLN and BYUtv will be part of a stabilized Big 12 by next week.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Truth Machine -

If you want to call the Big 12 "stabilized" anytime previous to Texas agreeing to equal revenue then you're delusional. Oklahoma won't be happy until that's taken care of one way or another.

Kosta Fesenko
Chicken McNuggetville, UT

@Truth Machine

thank you. your post right there is the reason that BYU will continue to kick around in mediocrity.

-an inflated sense of how much you mean to people.

-the assumption that people will let you waltz in and start calling the shots (ie BYUtv).

-the overall feeling that you are a divine gift to the world.

You aren't. Saturday's game proved that there is a large disparity now between Utah and BYU in the main sport. And it aint gonna change anytime soon.

JewishCougar
Murray, UT

If you are really a Truth Machine, you need to be re-calibrated...
The Big 12 is definitely NOT stable.
BYU is definitely NOT getting an invite.
The Big 12 is on life support right now and will fold within the next couple of years.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

Why is the PAC 12 standing pat?

Texas.

Toxic Texas.

Before BYU jumps into bed with the Longhorns...

"Caveat Emptor".

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

Oklahoma has drawn a line in the sand, they will not be in the same conference with Texas as long as they have the longhorn network and an unequal relationship.
If BYU wants to work for Texas for a couple years before Texas's behavoir blows up whats left of the Big 12, good luck with that.

Pac12Proud
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Kosta Fesenko | 12:34 p.m. Sept. 21, 2011

"your post right there is the reason that BYU will continue to kick around in mediocrity."

-an inflated sense of how much you mean to people.

-the assumption that people will let you waltz in and start calling the shots (ie BYUtv).

-the overall feeling that you are a divine gift to the world."

Look closely at the list you provided...you just described the Texas Longhorns. Personally, I think it would be incredibly entertaining to watch two ego maniacal institutions like byu and Texas in the same conference. Both think:

-They can dictate the rules to which all other must comply
-They are entitled to everything and anything they want
-Everyone wants to be them

Both can't be right! What great entertainment this relationship would give us!!

Thriller
Saint George, UT

What used to be a league renowned for its QBs is now becoming a league that is famous for its RBs, and John White IV is leading the way. That's awesome.

SoCalUtahFan
Utesville, CA

Equal shares revenue --Texas thinks it is bigger/better than everyone else...hmm sounds like a school I know south of a school I like...:)

It makes sense for equal revenu sharing. USC and UCLA agreed to it last year so Scott can't have Texas not sharing its revenue from the Longhorn network.

MiP
Iowa City, IA

I'm not so sure Truth Machine won't be right. Many pundits have BYU as a natural replacement for A & M in the Big-12.
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I like the 12 team Pac-12. Big Ten should also stay at 12.

Let the ACC and SEC go to 16. Then rue they day they did.

Mortoon
Idaho Falls, ID

The fact is negotiations broke down with Texas again. This is the plum they wanted and still want. They decided that they had enough filler with the mistake they made last year with Utah and Colorado. A conference only needs so many patsys.

MidMajor4ever
Syracuse, UT

Mortoon/Real Bass,

If Utah's invitation to the PAC-12 was a "mistake" and Utah and Colorado are considered "patsys" (spelled patsies), where does that leave your program? Utah has won the last 7 of 10 games against your team and the last game by 44 points just last Saturday. Isn't it an interesting time to express your jealousy and bitterness?

alternate
Salt Lake City, UT

Funny how an article about the PAC12 and BIG12 ends up about BYU among commentors.

This story is not about BYU. It is about AZ, ASU, COLO and UTAH not wanting to play in an Eastern Division PAC16 with an uphill climb of ever getting ahead of Oklahoma or Texas for division honors in football. Playing TTech and OSU would have been bad enough but Texas and Oklahoma would have been downright ugly. Ditto for any of the other eight "coastal" division schools having to add more Midwest games.

Frankly, I am sure the was a collective sigh of relief on the Eastside of SLC when announcement was made of no expansion. It is bad enough for Utah to have to contend with their 11 neighbors right now but to throw more powerhouse progams into the mix is bad news.

The upside may have been the requirement for Utah to buy into the conference may have been waived. That really hurts moneywise especially when Colorado got a free pass. That will pass with time though, and then lots of money will flow in.

It is nice to see common sense win out!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

alternate:

"Playing TTech and OSU would have been bad enough but Texas and Oklahoma would have been downright ugly...I am sure the was a collective sigh of relief on the Eastside of SLC when announcement was made of no expansion...to throw more powerhouse progams into the mix is bad news."

How would you feel if last weekend's 54-10 losers should be faced with a Big TeX invitation, thus staring down the inevitability of annual matchups with Texas, Tx. Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St? Will you and the rest of your mid-majored Indy-WAC peers panic if Holmoe accepts? Will those same losers of 7 of the last 10 sigh with relief if he does not? I'm sure Bronco would. After all, he DID say, "the model has been set" after Hawai'i backed into the Sugar Bowl playing a weak SOS. And those aforementioned 4 Big TeX teams do NOT fit within that model.

You must be so terrified right about now. You might have to give up your "natural" cupcake WAC rivalries.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

BYU will be allowed into the Big 12 if they use their network as members want... allow BYUtv to replay games, allow BYUtv to broadcast live games IF no other national network is playing that game (ESPN, ABC, FOX).

Where Texas went wrong is they demand FIRST rights on a game. They want 2 conference games played EXCLUSIVELY on TLN. Of course they want that. It helps sell the network. Why would a subscriber buy in, if they only get to see games against Rice and Lousiana Tech? Texas wants to sell big games such as against Ok State. Ok State fans don't want to pay money to Texas to be able to see their boys play.

The Big 12 has to resolve television issues before considering BYU. BYU has nothing else to offer the league.

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