ESPN is reporting the PAC 12 has decided not to expand. This is fine by me as I
am geographic and topography snob and there is nothing close to Pacific in
Oklahoma and Texas. Likely the reason for the decision was Larry Scott didn't
want to deal with the Prima Donna attitude of Texas. You might see Oklahoma now
court the SEC or Big 10 as they like A&M don't really want to deal with the
overgrown egos of the Longhorns. This is good news for BYU as it keeps hope
alive. Just noticed that a replay of the Utah vs. BYU game is on
ESPN 2 tonight at 1 AM (I assume 2 AM in Utah). Maybe it is even better the
Superstrong Tongan, you Trojans barely beat Utah at the Coliseum. If you are
commenting on these boards you are also likely a Y fan especially if you agree
with delusional Y fans such as Bluto. BTW I haven't seen Vandy go undefeated
twice in the last 7 years. If Utah is the new Vandy, BYU is the new Wyoming and
USC is third place behind Oklahoma and Texas.
With the conference expanding that means that the rich will get
richer(OU,UO,SC,TX) and the poor will get poorer(CU,Utah,WSU,UCLA) just like
what Bluto said. Utah is as relevant as Vandy is to the SEC. Utah will be a top
tier school...among the weak links of the conference. Back to where you guys
started. This is from a USC fan.
For you who say Utah will be in a pod with Colorado and any of the
Texas/Oklahoma schools - you have it completely wrong...it will NEVER happen.Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will want to play each other
every year or they wouldn't agree to join a PacXX conference. Period end of
debate.As for those who say Utah would be irrelevant in a Pac16
conference...you don't see many Utah fans concerned do you? Worst case scenario
we have awesome teams coming to our stadium week in and week out. Worth
attending even if the U is having a rough year. But with Whittingham and staff
here, I'll bet on the U holding their own and representing.Lastly, for
whoever the clown was that talked about athletic budgets...that's changing in a
hurry - it'll never compare to some of the other schools but the U has already
proven they can do more with less, not worried.The U may even win again
with addition of the new schools, a re-worked TV deal may end up getting the U a
full-share of TV revenue much sooner. That's the talk anyway.Go Utes!
Bloated - 54-10! Time for you to move along......
bglPCC, AAWU, Big 6, Big 5, PAC 8, PAC 10, PAC 12, PAC 14, PAC 16,
PAC 18, PAC 20, since they're still trying to decide what they want to be, it's
easier just to use PAC. Congratulations, you were smart enough to figure out
what PAC stands for.
A Pac 16 Conference.Great, Utah will be One of Sixteen. Repeat.....One of Sixteen.Overall, Utah was not winning
Championships in the MWC. And now their Athletic Program will just turn it
on?If you thought they were destined for the Land of Obscurity with
Twelve?Facts:-Utah has the Smallest Annual Athletic
Budget in the Pac, even Wazzu's is bigger by 10 million.-The new
money won't change this fact. In fact, it will take 4 years for Utah to even
fully share Pac revenues.After this, Utah will still be dead
last.And Academically? Utah now ranks 10th out of 12 teams, with the
Merger, 14th?Be careful what U wish for.Nobody takes the
Northwesterns, Purdue's, Vanderbilt's, and Wazzu's of the World seriously. We'll all see if Utah takes up residence in their neighborhood.
Mt. Rushmore---what is the PAC? Are you talking about the Pacific 12 Conference,
of which Utah is a proud member? The one that shunned BYU? Or is this PAC an
acronym for Pacific Athletic Conference? If you are savvy enough to post about
these issues, you should be able to get the names of the conferences correct.
Utah will be competitive as long as they have Whitt, but this pod idea is just
stupid, as is the 16 team league.Just have a genuine 16 team playoff
already, and keep conferences as they are. Stupid polls are better than stupid
pods and stupid super conferences.
"CordonBleu | 10:52 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Park City, UTNightOwlAmericaWhat does the PAC pod system have to do with
BYU?"More teams in the Pac 12 means Utah will not bother
scheduling average mid major programs with a full quality schedule. More teams
will also mean more money in fatter tv contracts.Currently there are
66 BCS teams. Under a 4 Super conference structure of 16 teams each that is 64.
2 teams will be left out and no one is talking about BYU. What this means for
BYU and all the glorious independence talk is that none of the superconference
teams will make room to play BYU. BYU will basically have left are MWC, WAC,
CUSA teams to play in further irrelevance.
NightOwlAmericaWhat does the PAC pod system have to do with BYU?How is BYU giving a game away to Utah going to help the Utes beat
Oklahoma or Texas?Frankly, any Utah fan who thinks that having
Oklahoma and Texas in the PAC is going to help Utah in any way, shape, or form
is only fooling themself.If the PAC 12 is really as loaded with
quality competition as Utah fans have been boasting, then then Utes are going to
have all they can handle just trying to get past USC, Oregon, and Stanford.Throw two perennial Top 10 teams and a couple of perennial Top 25 teams
into the mix, and Utah fans are seriously delusional if they think that Utah
will even challenge for, let alone win a PAC 16 championship more than once
every 20 or 30 years, if that.
ESPN reports that talks are underway to have the remaining Big 12 teams absorb
the Big East in a merger.No doubt the 16 team superconferences are
more than just idle chatter. The Pac 12, Big 10, SEC will surely not sit idle.
Phoenix:You believe Texas and OU would both go to a conference so
the could play each other 2 years out of four? Did you work all day outdoors in
the heat this summer down there? The California schools want to play each other
every year, and the Texahoma schools want to play each other every year.
Northwest & Mountain pods will do the same.
1984 for life | 2:36 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "@ TroyTown | 2:07 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Anaheim, CA Not
against BYU.54-10.Tee Hee Tee Hee"===Seriously, a story about Utah in the PAC and all anyone wants to talk
about is BYU. When are Utah fans going to get over their insecurity about being
better than BYU?But I love the Tee Hee Hee.How cute.
What are you, three years old?When is Utah going to beat a BCS team
on the road this year (on National TV is already shot for the Utes, but they did
have their chance on VS.) like BYU did? 1 point, or 44, or 150 points, it's one
W, against a non-AQ team.
@Moderate Thanks for the cliches. Very easy to use after Saturday's
game, I understand. And no, I'm not suggesting the U resign from the PAC 12.
What I AM suggesting is that the biggest loser in all this will ultimately be
football fans in the State of Utah. I don't mind the idea of having
16 team conferences. I just think there should be more than just 4 'elite'
conferences. Do you disagree, Moderate? Do you want the rivalry to end for
good? Do you want teams like BYU, BSU, TCU, Air Force, SDSU, Nevada, etc. on
the outside looking in? Do you think that is good for college football in this
region of the country? I am also suggesting that Utah will become
the 'little brother' to teams like OU and Texas if they have to play them year
after year. Not saying they won't upset one or the other once in awhile, but
Utah has problems filling its stadium when there is no undefeated season. This
thing is going to be bad for college football.
Uteology | 4:01 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @Snack
PACIf we're Vanderbilt then the team that got creamed by 44 points
is Montana State. Enjoy Division 3 football.===JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 6:50 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Beverly Hills,
CA How will a PAC 16 affect Utah? We wouldn't need to give any pity
time to play average mid major programs like BYU anymore.Look at
that, BYU fumbles again. ===And certain Utah fans are
"classin' up the joint"...You realize that BYU (Montana
State) has beaten more AQ team this year than your own Utah team's zero wins
against the mighty BCS division.Maybe Utah ought to get up for the
PAC-X11 schools on K-Jazz and stop playing the "pity games" like the
Mighty Montana States of the world?Giving props, Kyle knows how to
win classy.My Ute buddies here in Utah know how to win classy.Even "ClasslessUteFan" was classy.Utah fans out of
state? Ehhhhh, not so much.We all know the score of the BYU game,
but doesn't Utah have bigger "fish to fry"?
I don't see pods but I see a PAC 16Ocean Division:WashingtonWashington StateStanfordCalOregonOregon StateUCLAUSC(Basically the original
Pac-8--maybe they could call it the "Original" or "Traditional
Division"Then the newbies:ASUArizonaUtahCUTexasTexas TechOkie State OUThey could call this the Rocky Mountain Division or Continental DivisionYou play all seven teams in your division plus two cross-over games
leaving 2-3 pre-season contests. Then the conference championship.
"One mediocre major college team and no traditional rivalry"What
do you suggest, B? That Utah resign from the Pac 12?The Pac-12
chose the team from Utah that rises to the challenge; the team that fights
through to the end; the team that doesn't quit at halftime.
Phoenix.Who cares if the PAC 16 uses a pod system. Indeed the
competition will be tough for Utah. But you fail to recognize two things.A. BYU does not even belong to a conference.B. The kitty cats just
got trashed by the Utes at home!
I welcome the challenge as a Utah fan and alum. How could anyone argue with the
fact that any team would kill to have the chance that Utah does currently in the
Pac 12. Whether or not our conference expands, we are in the company of some
very impressive teams and we are only going to get better because of it. Thank
God we are on this side of expansion because if not I would be joining the
chronically depressed BYU fan. Nonetheless, we are where we are because we dont
whine, we don't celebrate our success before we have earned it and we just play
the game. Go Utes!!
... forgot one thingLas Vegas Bowl being pumped by ESPN for the
Utes... Since I'm a bonafide brother of the fetal position, let's
just say this prediction better not come true.
Utah will become a lower tier PAC 16 team. You can't compete with Texas and OU
year in and out. Neither in recruiting or on the field. So what does this
whole conference re-alignment leave us with here in the state of Utah (and
really the whole inter-mountain West)? One mediocre major college team and no
traditional rivalry. Great. So this is what college football has become?
The addition of Texas and OU would make it harder for the Utes to reach the Rose
Bowl, simple math. But if they were to reach it in a new Pac-16, then it would
be very prestigious indeed.The SEC is the king-pin, but a Pac-16
featuring OU and Texas would render the new conference better than the Big-10,
if it were based on this season...===Pac-12 will take UT, OU,
TexasTech, and OSU.ACC adds Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, and UConn.SEC
adds T A&M, Mizzou, West Virginia and....Your move Big Ten:Available teams would include Notre Dame, Kansas, Kansas State, BYU, Iowa
State, Baylor, Louisville, Cincinatti, TCU, South Florida...Outside
of the Irish, it's hard to see the Big Ten move on any of those teams. I'm
thinking the Big Ten stays at 12.The Big East then tries to stay
alive by adding the Big-XII leftovers and begging TCU to stay (which they will).
That would be 5 "power conferences".I like
that BYU is independent, but if they get an invite to one of these power
conferences, it will be tough to turn down.
@VegasBartI don't know about overall but Oklahoma has one of the top
two or three meteorology programs in the nation. Are we just going to assume
they aren't good in academics/research or is that actually the case?
JJJHSYour pity time will be spent whining and moaning about BYU once
again being Utah's bowl game.
News For UThe logic for pods is to balance out the conference and
not have one pod of four wimpy teams and one pod stacked with two perennial Top
10 teams.Utah and Colorado will be in the same pod as Oklahoma and
OSU.Arizona and ASU will be in the same pod as Texas and Texas
Tech.The original PAC 8 will be divided north and southUSC, UCLA, Stanford, CalWashington, WSU, Oregon, OSUThe Utes caught the only break they're going to get, not having to play Oregon
and Stanford their first year in the conference.The PAC isn't going
to risk having USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas and Texas Tech
battling it out in one division while Oregon gets to steamroll through OSU,
Washington, WSU, Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to win the other division.Sorry to burst your bubble Utah, but you're not going to be able to
dodge Oklahoma and Texas as easily as you dodged Oregon and Stanford.If you want to brag about playing in the same conference as Oklahoma and
Texas, you're going to have to actually play them too.
How will a PAC 16 affect Utah? We wouldn't need to give any pity time to play
average mid major programs like BYU anymore.Look at that, BYU
The Pac 12 will obviously pursue Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma
State.If the SEC was smart, they would quickly pursue, Texas,
Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, which would make life interesting for Texas
A&M. The SEC needs to act quick because the ACC has just tightened its grip.
If the ACC soon has 16 happy teams and the Pac 16 has 16 happy teams, then there
will not be any more regional teams of worth for the SEC to keep pace. That will
leave the Big Ten and the SEC fighting over the scraps of the Big 12 and the Big
East, which is looking lean. Notre Dame is still a nice catch anywhere, but I
think they are perfectly happy as an independent.I personally like
BYU just where they are at as an independent and I am glad the Big 12 is
imploding to end that conversation. Of course the Pac 16 would be the most
natural position regionally for BYU, but that ain't happening. If it did happen,
BYU, Boise State, Air Force, and UNLV OR Hawaii would be an interesting mix.
CarnakWe'll see how excited you remain about Utah competing against
the best when the Utes finish with a losing record and the only bowl they're
invited to is the potato chip bowl.5-7 finishes will be a common
occurence on the hill if the Texas and Oklahoma schools join the PAC.
I see an ugly scenario developing. If (probably when) the PAC 16 forms, BYU
could very well be OUT of the 16 team super conferences. (That might not matter
depending on what Notre Dame does.) But let's say that it happens. USU and BYU
are no longer players in the 4 Super conference structure. Maybe they make a
new (somewhat lesser) division in college football. So Utah is the
lone team in the state in the new world. But if they are in a conference with
Texas and OU, I just don't see how Utah rises above Arizona or ASU status. They
will almost NEVER go to the Rose Bowl and certainly not the national
championship game. So we are left with two instate teams that are not allowed
to compete in anything of significance and one instate team who becomes the next
Arizona/ASU. And THAT is how the BCS finally won the fight to kill Cinderella.
What ever happened to the requirement of entrance into the PAC of being an
emblem of academia? Surely they jest with the likes of Oklahoma, OSU and Texas
Tech. Their reason for not taking Brigham Young just went out the window. How
do you spell P H O N Y?
@ atl134 | 4:32 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT No
matter how the pods turn out, unless you're Cougar fan, you want your team to
compete against the best. Most good athletes also want to compete against the
best.If you're Cougar fan, you want to go 10-2 or better against as
little competition as you can find.
@executorlohYou have to factor some things into that like out of
conference schedule strength and you absolutely have to get rid of the
conference games. Out of the PAC-12's 22-13 one of those losses is Utah's loss
to USC. No matter who wins that's an automatic 1-1 for the conference which is
meaningless in determining strength.
@ phoenix "The Utes will end up in a 4-team pod with Oklahoma,
Oklahoma State, Colorado, and Utah, effectively ending any chance the Utes ever
had of winning a PAC X title or ever going to another BCS game".Your assessment on Utah in the PAC-16 pod system is inaccurate. There is no
logic in putting Utah and Colorado in the same pod as Oklahoma and Oklahoma
State. When the Texas and Oklahoma schools join. Those 4 new members will make
up one pod to preserve their traditional rivalries. Utah will be in the same pod
with Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State. Northwest Pod:WashingtonWashington StateOregon Oregon StatePacific Pod:USCUCLACaliforniaStanfordMountain Pod:Utah ColoradoArizona Arizona StateGreat Plains Pod:TexasTexas TechOklahomaOklahoma
StateThis pod system makes a lot more sense. Each team will play 3
teams in the same pod and 2 teams from each of the other three pods. Best
Conference record plays in the Conference Championship Game. (East vs West)
The 4 pod thing probably means something like thiswash-washst
usc-uclaoklahoma-okstate texas-txtechI broke them down into
pairs as well because I imagine the schedule will involve this (using utah as an
example)-play the 3 in your pod, your "rival" alternates home
and away, your other pairing will be one home one away each year (so @colorado
@arizona vsarizonast one year then vscolorado vsarizona @arizonast the next)-play 2 teams in each of the other three pods, one at home, one away, and from
different pairings (ex: @wash vsoregonst @ucla vscal @okstate vstexas), then mix
it up so that every 4 years you play each of those 12 teams once at home and
once away (year 2: same teams, just reverse home/away, year 3: @washst vsoregon
vsusc @stanford vsoklahoma @texastech, year 4: reverse home/away for year 3
teams). This way every team goes to southern california (the area,
not the school of course), oregon, washington, northern california, texas,
arizona, the rockies, and oklahoma at least once every two years, more if you're
in the particular pod.
@Snack PACIf we're Vanderbilt then the team that got creamed by 44
points is Montana State. Enjoy Division 3 football.Bring on PAC-16.
Snack PACIf you follow the thread, you will see that I responded to
a Yner who was talking smack about Utah. I find it funny that many of the Yners
that were predicting a lopsided victory and a Hypes Heisman are still on here
talking smack after being brutally beatdown just a few days ago.Go
away, you're making yourself look ridiculous and jealous.
mid irrelevance -So you reference a game that does not involve your
Koogs to talk smack now? LOL! Can hardly wait for USU to play BYU so you can
take your place as 3rd best team in the state for the second year in a row.Go away, you're making yourself look ridiculous. 54-10!
@ JohnInSLC | 2:58 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UT No that is Big Soccer.
UtehaterforlifeDucky, is that you? In the Groucho glasses?
I like the idea of being part of one of four super conferences, what I don't
like is the idea of traveling to Norman OK in November...midwest winters are
bitter. BYU fans...please let it go...
@ TroyTown | 2:07 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Anaheim, CA Not against
BYU.54-10.Tee Hee Tee Hee
@majmajor "The addition of the best four teams, of the Big-12, would
make the PAC-12 the toughest conference in the nation."I give
Utah their credit for beating the pants off my team on Saturday, and this
comment does not stem from my bruised ego.But to say that this puts
the PAC xx ahead of the SEC is dilusional. Go ahead and hypothetically pretend
that these four teams were in the PAC xx for the past 5 years, and then count
how many NCs would have come from the PAC xx vs the SEC. The SEC is still the
King Pin, by a long shot.At best, the addition of these teams to the
PAC xx puts the PAC xx on par with the BIG 10.
Carnak7-47in the biggest game in the history of the
state of Utahenough said
Duckhunter HunterIt's funny how BYU-obsessed fans claim that BYU
isn't even in the conversation, when all they ever talk about is BYU.
@majmajorThe record of the current make up of the Pac-12 makes them
a rather weak conference. 22-13 (10-8, Pac South) with a lot of horrible losses
after their Big Sky Showdown on week 1.Record of BSC Conferences to
date:Big12 - 23-2 (.920)SEC - 27-9 (.750)B1G - 26-10 (.722)Big East - 16-7 (.695)ACC - 23-11 (.676)Pac12 - 22-13 (.629)Even:MWC - 14-8 (.636)Only MAC, CUSA, WAC, BigSky have
a worse record than Pac12. Larry Scott is a great marketer though. If the four
Big12 schools joined the Pac16, they would humiliate the other 12 schools.
@ Swoop | 1:18 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT 54-10.Enough said.LOL
My 1:51 comment should have gone to Snack, but it applies to Swap, as well.54 to 10!Wynn 2 Hypes 0
@ reasonableUTEI agree with your comments, I find many y fans are
respectable and insightful with their comments. A lot of the trash talk is
friendly banter but there are some on both sides that turn it into hate and
disrespect. Mostly comes from are resident trolls. I wish the y well but thats
only when the arent playing the U.If they add Oklahoma and Texas the U
will have a even harder time getting any attention, from the conference and the
rest of the nation. Sure they would be in powerhouse conference but all the
attention will be on Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona St. etc.
Even though Utah has done well in football last decade they will still have to
sit at the little kids table. Not saying they're cellar dwellars just saying
those schools will always get most of the attention and most of the revenue. If
it happens or not it will be a lot to consider. Also glad to see all the U
bandwagon fans back on the boards after the win. Where were you guys when Jimmer
CarnakUtah fans have short memories. Wasn't Utah
humiliated at home by 40 points less than a year ago in a game that was over in
the first quarter?
I'm not certain that this is in the best interest of Utah... They will likely be
in the same "pod" as Texas, Oklahoma,(Big 12 schools) and Colorado.
Colorado just broke away from these same schools and I don't think they are
excited to be included with them again. It will take away a yearly visit to the
West Coast as well. I may be wrong but it doesn't seem like that is what Utah
was bargaining for....I think they wanted that Southern California recruitment
trip each year...They are likely not going to recruit anybody from
Swoop -Where is BYU if they're getting crushed by 44 points by the
same team you say is "fodder?" Show some tact and grace and accept
defeat. You're not in the conversation, yet you're injecting yourself in like a
little, jealous 5 year old. Don't come on here and try to talk smack behind
your computer.To use an astronomy analogy, you're not even in the
galaxy. Quite possibly, you're not even in the same universe.
The Utes have proven that they can handle teams like Oklahoma and Texas.
Swoop - If Utah is fodder where does that put BYU? Your jealousy is
evident. You're not even in the conversation, AT ALL, and getting
crushed by your rival by 44! LOL!By the way, Vanderbilt beat Ole
Miss by 23. LOL!
The addition of the best four teams, of the Big-12, would make the PAC-12 the
toughest conference in the nation. The SEC would fall to second place, and the
Big-10 would be a distant third. The ACC and Big East would stick around just
because of their basketball teams. This will ensure that the
midmajor conferences stay locked out, and no real championship game will ever
@ Snack PAC | 1:13 p.m. Sept. 19, 2011 Olympus Cove, Utah ...and where does that put the team that just endured a 54-10 pasting, this
week plays a team(UCF)that lost to an airport (Florida International) and then
plays the WAC?LOL
taking trash talk from BYU fans is like taking a punch in the arm from my 5 year
old nephew. I am usually of the opinion that BYU fans are respectable and
respectful, but many of the BYU fans on these boards just don't seem to know how
to lose gracefully... When your team loses by 44 just take it please. I can at
least take comfort in knowing that the majority of BYU are very respectful.
Thank you to all you Y fans that helped make the game an enjoyable experience
for my family and I!
@DHHThe only "conversation" you'll be in is the list of
teams USC, Oklahoma, and Texas beat up on their way to another NC game.
Duckhunter Hunter Don't kid yourself.Utah will be
nothing but cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference -- no more relevant
Phoenix - I'd rather be in the conversation than completely
irrelevant and losing to my rival by 44! LOL!
Ex-Ute Steve Smith lost the game for Carolina with some bone headed ball
handling. I love the man, but his head was not in this game. PAC 16
is a probable.... though I am not sure the players are the ones cited.
There's no guarantee that revenue per team will increase with the addition of
the Texas and Oklahoma schools.
The Utes will end up in a 4-team pod with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado,
and Utah, effectively ending any chance the Utes ever had of winning a PAC X
title or ever going to another BCS game.Other PodsTexasTexas TechArizonaArizona StateUSCUCLAStanfordCalWashWSUOreOSU
Would think this increses TV revenue nicely which is what these re-allingnments
are all about and that benefits U so good for them- ups the competition level
for being a PAC champion but also ups the chances that the champion plays for
the national title so again a bonus for U
TexasOklahomaBring them on!Word going around
is that the WAC is very interested in byu. And apparently after coming to the
realization that no real league will ever want them, the interest is now mutual.
Utes could also find themselves out of the Pac all together, when they do the
realignments again they can drop teams by basically starting a new conference
and not inviting them, not saying it will happen but it could.
PAC 16 sounds exciting. I'm for a PAC 30; the top 30 universities west of the
Mississippi. Then we could have another Big East 30 (east of the Mississippi)
to include the other top 30 schools and then get on with playoffs and determine
a true national champion. Let's get it done. Right now we have conferences and
the NCAA with their personal agendas and elitism going on that hindering what
needs to happen. Come on.