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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 13 2011 10:36 a.m. MDT

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Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

@Naval Vet

What I see is a fan who is not grounded in reality. $$$ are not going to translate into wins for Utah.

There are lots of irrelevant programs in AQ conferences and Utah could easily end up being the next Washington State, Indiana, Iowa State, Duke or Vanderbilt -- big time conferences, small time programs.

JustGordon
Cottonwood Heights, UT

No Ute fans under 5 believe in the tooth fairy!

However if the writers who say that "BYU's already proven they have BCS friends..." I would respond who are these friends? What have they already done for the Y vis a vis the BCS? What have they said they are prepared to do with the upcoming super conferences are created?

It seems to me that these unnamed "friends" have done nothing: what could they do the Y has never come close to having BCS qualifications?

When the super conferences are created, and this will happen sooner rather than later, if the Y is not positioned in a conference they will find qualifying for a BCS bowl even more difficult for them than it was in the MWC.

Norte Dame under this upcoming realignment may loose it exemption as well. I do think that the Irish will accept an invite to the Big X. Who will be the Y's white knight? Who will lead them to the promised land? Texas? Unlikely. More likely Texas looks economic and BCS reality in the face and joins the PAC12 with OU, OK State and perhaps Texas Tech. No such offer for the Y.

hymn to the silent
Holladay, UT

What we are seeing folks is the disappearing mid-major class. As super-conferences congeal to form a pseudo-playoff (who of us ever believed that every football program would take part in the playoffs anyway?) lines will be drawn to exclude programs and include others. Yes the fans want a playoff, the BCS and the conferences are just trying to figure out to cash in on this "marketing opportunity." Sad if this new good 'ol boys club excludes BYU. They are a good enough program to warrant a dance card. Utah's in, but adding more competition during the year cannibalizes teams that could get a playoff spot if they were in "lesser" leagues. Should be interesting.

BleedingBlue
Provo, UT

Dear Jazz Fan,
They (BYU) have BCS friends, not relatives.

Cougarista
Salt Lake City, UT

Navel Vet
BYU will do just fine. Football is not their major product. It is ancillary to their primary function of quality undergraduate education which is unequaled in the state of Utah.

Starfarer
Mesa, AZ

Carnak

Every NC is not earned. There is, nor ever has been a playoff.

Does that take away from the fact that BYU has a NC? Not one bit. They got it the same way every other team has gotten theirs. Those who had votes voted. those who didn't complained.

Those who played in second or third tier bowl games played for nothing. (Even though they want the world to believe that their BCS wins mean something.)

Look at the circus that is college football today.

Until there is a playoff, the BCS, and college football is a joke when it comes to crowning a NC.

majmajor
Layton, UT

MUSSing with U | 2:52 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011
Baltimore, MD
"Naval Vet"

Naval Vet, I think that you are real close on the Utes financial issues, but I agree with "Mussing" about the on-field realities. BYU and the Utes will always be very competitive financially, in recruiting, and on the field. BYU can and will thrive as an independent or in a BCS conference.

With the above in mind, if OU, OSU, Texas, and T-Tech join a East division of the PAC-12, in most years the Utes will tend to have losing conference records. I would wager that, at best, the Utes would win the Division once in every twenty years.

The Utes currently have a better setup in recruiting by being able to play in Southern California every year. Playing in TX every year will do nothing for the Utes. Utah doesn't have much of a draw for Texas players. OU and Texas will always get the best TX recruits.

Utah and Colorado need to do some self protection and fight any proposal to create PAC-16 East and West Divisions.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Navel Vet

Arizona was once one of the top programs in the WAC and the Wildcats were the ones who pushed ASU into joining the PAC.

30 years later, the Wildcats still haven't sniffed the Rose Bowl -- and that was in a weaker conference than the PAC 12.

Utah fans are simply deluding themselves if they believe that adding Oklahoma and Texas to the PAC 16 won't make it nearly impossible for the Utes to ever win a PAC 16 title.

When Oklahoma isn't #1, like this year, Texas will be in the Top 5, not to mention ranked Texas Tech and/or Oklahoma State; and even if the Utes somehow manage to negotiate that impenatrable maze, a Top 5 USC, or highly ranked Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Cal, or Washington would await the Utes in the championship game.

Beating good teams on the road isn't something Utah does.

Beating ranked teams on the road is something Utah almost never does.

When was the last time Utah beat a Top 25 team on the road?

Hint: It hasn't happened this century!

majmajor
Layton, UT

Truth Machine | 3:59 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011
Salt Lake City, UT
"...When was the last time Utah beat a Top 25 team on the road? Hint: It hasn't happened this century!"

You are wrong. Check your facts. The Utes won two BCS bowls "on the road." The Sugar Bowl is in AU's backyard. Neither were neutral sites. The both BCS Conference fans traveled much better than the Utes.

WhatsInItForMe
Orem, Utah

To clear up a misconception (maybe my bad for how I worded it), BYU's "BCS friends" are the many BCS schools willing to schedule games with BYU as an independent, NOT friends in the BCS organization itself.

The point I was making is that BYU shouldn't have much difficulty getting enough good BCS teams to play them each year to keep BYU's SOS high enough to be relevant in the national BCS bowl picture, including a chance at the NC.

BCS games might be front-loaded in September and October, but that's okay as long as the balance is there.

As far as superconferences trying to exclude BYU by forbidding their conference members from scheduling non-conference games in October and November, that won't fly legally, so it won't be an issue. The Pac-12's current stance on that hasn't been enough of an issue to get stomped on yet.

stanfunky
Salt Lake City, UT

Truth Machine said:

"When was the last time Utah beat a Top 25 team on the road?

Hint: It hasn't happened this century!"

As with most Y fans, you have a short memory.

January 2, 2009 was the last time the Utes beat a ranked opponent away from home, in a little game called the SUGAR BOWL. They defeated Alabama, who finished #6 overall that year but had been #1 until the SEC Championship Game loss to Florida a few weeks prior.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

majmajor

The Utes won two BCS bowls "on the road."

check your facts

You can spin it antway you want, but a road game, by definition, is playing on the home field of your opponent -- For Utah that's playing Michigan in the Big House, Ohio State in the Horseshoe, USC in the Colliseum, and BYU in LaVell Edwards Stadium.

Unless Utah 2004 played Pittsburgh at Heinz Field, it wasn't a road game.

Unless Utah 2008 played Alabama at Bryant-Denny Stadium, it wasn't a road game.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

stanfunky

"the last time the Utes beat a ranked opponent away from home, in a little game called the SUGAR BOWL"

As with most Utah fans, you have a hard time accepting reality.

"Away from home" is not the same thing as playing a road game.

New Orleans /= Tuscaloosa
The Super Dome /= Bryant-Denny Stadium

Utah playing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl is a NEUTRAL site game for both teams, not a HOME GAME for either team, which is what it would take to make it a ROAD Game for the other team.

If Oklahoma and Texas join the PAC 16 East, Utah isn't going to be playing road games against the Sooners in Phoenix or against the Longhorns in New Orleans.

So let's try Truth Machine's question again:

When was the last time Utah won a ROAD GAME against a ranked opponent?

Hint: It hasn't happened this century.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

I can't see why our friends on the hill are having a such a hard time understanding the difference between a home game, a road game, and a neutral site game.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Distance from Tuscaloosa to New Orleans = 290 miles

Distance from Pittsburgh to Phoenix = 2,063 miles

Distance from RES to LES = 46 miles

I'll bet Alabama and Pittsburgh fans would be very surprised to discover that Utah fans considered the Sugar and Fiesta Bowls were home games for the Crimson Tide and the Panther fans.

I'll bet nobody realized that Saturday's game was a home game for Utah.

RedUte
MAPLE VALLEY, WA

I would rather finish dead last every year in the PAC 12 or 16 than win every game in a so-called independence and still be relegated to a third class citizen in the college football world. Do Cougar fans realize that The Utes worst case scenario isn't even obtainable by BYU? That's right, we could blow every game from here into eternity and will still be vastly better off than BYU. Little brother has been working out while big brother has gotten complacent. It was bound to happen. Go Utes!

Cougars - Wise Older Brothers
Anaheim, CA

RedUte

"I would rather finish dead last every year in the PAC 12 or 16 than win every game in a so-called independence"

Thanks for confirming that the ONLY thing Utah fans care about anymore is $$$. As long as Utah gets their paycheck, Ute fans are content with being a PAC 12 doormat.

Society is full of people who rub shoulders with the big boys, travel with them, go to their parties, even hang out at their pads -- they're called servants -- chauffers, maids, and cooks.

Why do you think Utah was invited to the PAC 12?

Enjoy being cannon fodder to help USC, Oklahoma and Texas pad their records while the real big boys compete for the real prize -- a national championship, and the prestige that ONLY a national championship can bring.

Little brother is still little brother.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@redute

"I would rather finish dead last every year in the PAC 12 or 16 than win every game in a so-called independence and still be relegated to a third class citizen in the college football world. Do Cougar fans realize that The Utes worst case scenario isn't even obtainable by BYU? That's right, we could blow every game from here into eternity and will still be vastly better off than BYU. Little brother has been working out while big brother has gotten complacent. It was bound to happen. Go Utes!"

Good grief. Only a utah "fan" would make such an assertion. What is it that would be so great about being a losing batch of bottom feeders?

LOL!

majmajor
Layton, UT

TrueBlue | 5:43 p.m. Sept. 13, 2011
Orem, UT

"You can spin it antway you want, but a road game, by definition, is playing on the home field of your opponent -- For Utah that's playing Michigan in the Big House, Ohio State in the Horseshoe, USC in the Colliseum, and BYU in LaVell Edwards Stadium."

Neutral fields, by definition, are neutral. They give neither team an advantage on location, crowd or environment.

No, "On the road" means that you get in your car and drive somewhere. If both teams leave their home, both teams are on-the-road unless the field gives one-or-the-other a distinct advantage.

Another way to define it is if a team has a definite advantage because of location. (i.e. Under this definition, (BYU vs. OU) Dallas stadium was a "road game," and (Arizona vs. BYU) Energy Solutions was an away game for AU (Basketball). If Utah plays a football game in Washington DC against Pitt (?), that is an away game for Utah.

We can disagree on the definition of a phrase, but I look forward to a great game!

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

To Ute fans: It sounds great to consider the possibility of having TX, OK, OK St, and whoever else join the PAC 12. However, you need to think about the negative aspects of it as well as the positive aspects:

1. Greatly increased travel for team members and fans
2. Costs, such as guaranteed tickets Utah will be responsible for if not sold
3. More tough games each year
4. Less home seating for Utah fans
5. Spreading revenue with 4 more teams
6. Difficulty of filling RES for home games with teams from long distances

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