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Published: Saturday, Sept. 3 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT

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User41
Provo, UT

Great article.

I would just say, though, that even for us members who have spent our whole lives here in the heart of Utah, we sometimes find ourselves "in the wilderness" as well, when it comes to the attacks of anti-Mormons. I have found it interesting that their main tool in most situations is deception, a clear characteristic of someone not following Christ. If they were to approach me with sincere honesty and love as someone trying to be a real Christian, it would probably be much harder to dismiss their drivel. But, understanding their goals and motivation -- honesty, love, and Christianity are clearly out of their reach.

I've always been glad to have so many amazingly good examples of pure Christianity all around me -- their example is of great value. Their example may never change the minds of the antagonists, but they are of great help to those of us who one day would like to become true Christians.

bstratford
AURORA, IL

I have found that there is a difference between the gospel of Jesus Christ and the culture of Mormonism. With a the church receiving increased attention in the press, the media seems to have a knack for finding people who were raised in a Mormon culture but do not have a testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel.

Thank you for this article. It is true that living the gospel is much more important than the culture. The gospel changes life. Cultural dogma and discrimination is a barrier to those who would honestly accept the gospel.

The next time you deride someone for their appearance or for living their life the way they've been taught, ask yourself if it is really based on the doctrines of the gospel or if it is based only on cultural angst.

Doctor
Tucson, AZ

So User41, LDS are "true Christians"? Does that mean other Christians aren't "true"? How does this differ from people saying LDS are not Christian?

American man
WOODS CROSS, UT

Docter: It differs because User41 refered to himself as a true Christian. He did not say you were not a true Christian. You have every right to call your self a true Christian.

If you care to pursue this, please explain "what is a true Christian".

Tim Rollins
Oklahoma City, OK

@Doctor: There is a difference between claiming to be a Christian and actually BEING one. The first is a declaration of faith; the latter is a life well-lived in actual practice. There is a difference between talking the talk and walking the walk, and that is what separates an everyday Christian from a peaceable follower of Christ.

Something to keep in mind is this: When a man makes fun of and/or ridicules the faith of another, he makes fun of and ridicules all religions, particularly his own, as in doing so, he shows his own lack of faith as well as his infidelity to beliefs he has covenanted to hold dear and sacred both to himself and to his Maker.

Doctor
Tucson, AZ

My apologies I read it wrong.

sharrona
layton, UT

Tim Rollins said ,Something to keep in mind is this: When a man makes fun of and/or ridicules the faith of another, he makes fun of and ridicules all religions, particularly his own.
all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt(Joseph Smith)

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:20). Fruit can be doctrine and Christians have the right to be fruit/doctrine inspectors.

God[is]spirit(pneuma,)(John 4:24 Greek N.T.).No one has ever seen God, but God the One ad Only who is at the Fathers side has made him known (John 1:18 NIV), Moses saw Him who is invisible (Hebrews 11:27) Moses saw Gods shekinah glory.
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.(Mt 16:17).
Christians do not beleive God is an exaltedman.(Aseity)

American man
WOODS CROSS, UT

sharrona:

If you would please, post back to me the source of the statement " all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt(Joseph Smith)". Thank you.

Brother Paul
Livermore, CA

Sharrona:

Joseph Smith did Not say "all their creeds were an abomination...."
Joseph Smith said it was JESUS who made that statement. It's important
to give credit where credit is due. Joseph was only "Quoting" Jesus!!

I know you were were not there in the Grove of trees in Spring 1820,
neither was I to witness the actual experience of Joseph Smith. But I
do know the story well enough to know that Joseph claims that is what
Jesus said.

I know there's Anti-LDS literature out there that says that Joseph
made the statement (all by himself), but...

Anyone who really wants to know the Truth should go to the "Original"
sources to learn what's actually claimed. It also doesn't hurt to Pray
about things After going to the "Original" sources and doing some serious contemplation.

Lord Bless You, Sharrona.

American man
WOODS CROSS, UT

Brother Paul:

Thanks for the input. I suspect Sharrona does not know the true source, someone told her that and she believed it.

Now I will not have to explain it to her, you did a good job.

DonP
Sainte Genevieve, MO

Something else to consider in this discussion. Christ may have been speaking of the specific congregations which Joseph was considering joining.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

The author of the article described his situation, where most of the ward were new converts, as "unique." Those Mormons who have lived their whole lives in Utah may not have noticed this statement, but actually more and more it is Utah that is unique. In other words, Alabama isn't the only place with mostly converts, and where LDS people are minorities. I was born (LDS) in Utah, but lived my whole life outside of Utah, except my first 4 years, and my 4 college years. (Going to USU was a culture shock for me, being surrounded by so many Mormons!) There are great benefits being in the majority, but as I have discovered, there are also great benefits living in the minority.

Doctor
Tucson, AZ

Joseph Smith said the quote, he attributed it to jesus. Either way it is a belief of LDS followers. Why quibble with it?

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

It depends on what version of the first vision you believe. They are all slightly different, and we aren't just talking about the small details here. So, brother Paul, what version of the "original" first vision are you talking about?

sharrona
layton, UT

Brother Paul : Anyone who really wants to know the Truth should go to the "Original"sources to learn what's actually claimed. I Did.

From LDS revelation, we learn that Jehovah is the English form of the actual name by which the Lord Jesus was known ANCIETLY, p.788 MormonDoctrine). In (D&C 110:3 ,Jehovah appears to JS),( Abra 2:8 ,My is name is Jehovah) S/B YHWH,JS was unaware of the poor KJV and didnt know the Personal name of God(LORD)YHWH. Google Tetragrammaton.

Jehovah(YHWH) the eternal judge(Moroni 10:34), But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under Gods curse.(Galatians 1:8).

In(D&C 110: 1-16) Elias and Elijah appear to JS, but in the Bible they are the same person. The KJV translators of the KJV attempted to transliterate Elijah to Elias because there isnt a Greek character for the English letter J.
To avoid confusion, modern translations: NIV, NJKV, NASB and the Catholic Bible have Elijah instead of Elias in(Mt 11:14,17; Luke 1:17)

dotp
POTEAU, OK

The more I read and study the scriptures, the more I realize how many people who deride The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have no real understanding of the scriptures. I have heard many people make general statements as to WHY they KNOW the Church is NOT true and they quote Biblical scriptures totally out of context when often if they would read the very next verse they would find that their original assumption is false. It has also been my observation that those who deride the Church WANT to deride the Church. It makes them feel superior in some way. They aren't really interested in the TRUTH, just in what THEY WANT the Truth to be. I have also learned that Truth is Truth and you can't change it. The more I study the tenets of The Church, the more I gain a STRONG testimony of its truthfulness. Joshua 24:15 says: ".....but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." That pretty much sums up how I feel and I find the LDS Church the place I CHOOSE to serve in. Couldn't quote the whole scripture because of space constraints.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Doctor: We aren't quibbling with it and no it isn't a belief. We take it as fact that Jesus Christ stated such. It is nothing more than having Paul make a comment similar to that in his writtings or Peter. The thing is all of the Gospels were written 60-100 years after the death and resurrection of our Lord. In such, they also attribute the sayings to Christ but yet are written by meer men. So, there is no difference from what we say or what they say.

will7370
LOGAN, UT

An interesting consideration for most non-LDS is the following question:

Noah was the prophet called of God to warn the people a few hundred years before the earth's baptism by water (the Great Flood).

Joseph Smith was the prophet called of God to warn the people a few hundred years before the earth's baptism by fire (during the Second Coming of Jesus Christ).

If Joseph Smith was not the prophet to fulfill this divine role, then who is? We're quickly running out of time.

Michigander
Westland, MI

@will7370:

Then who is?

The Choice Seer - The American Indian Moses. A full-blooded Indian to come forth in the not too distant future of this land.

JS was NOT the Choice Seer, and JS was only a Prophet when his prophecies and/or teachings were in complete agreement with the KJV and the BOM.

American man
WOODS CROSS, UT

Michigander:

Would you please give us a source of "The Choice Seer-The American Indian Moses". Thank you.

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