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Published: Thursday, Sept. 1 2011 4:29 p.m. MDT

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Silly Rabbit
Small Town, USA, UT

This is a sad crime that was perpetrated on this young man gay or not, we should keep in mind that he is human first and foremost. The sub-humans that did this to him should be locked up for a long time, I think we can all agree on that, if you dont then there is something wrong with you.

But the religion bashing really needs to stop. As a member of the predominate religion in the state I have never been taught in church to hate someone for what they are race, creed, color, sexual preference, or what sports team and political affiliation they might root for.

But what is taught in the home that is prejudice has nothing to do with my religion. Sadly there are people out there that for some reason have no tolerance for anything different and that has nothing to do with religion, even though they may have interpreted it that way.

Hope this young man heals up, and these criminals are put away.

I hope this makes sense its late....

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

@isrred, your take on Christian theology ignores the whole New Testament.

Consider the incident of the woman taken in adultery. The Pharisees, citing scriptures like those you refer to, called for her to be stoned. Jesus made it clear that her actions were sinful but tactfully defended her life.

When you read the whole Bible, you discover that Jesus brought a higher law than Old Testament Jews lived. He taught, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, ... but to fulfil.... Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you...." "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

Christ's higher law still recognizes and condemns sin. But the layman's obligation to his neighbor is to show compassion, not mete out punishment. Bible-believing Christians can, without picking and choosing, condemn both homosexual behavior and violence against homosexuals.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

After Matthew Shepard was murdered in Wyoming, I remember being angry when members of the Westboro Baptist Church protested at his funeral. I remember asking a number of family and friends, "I can't believe anyone who claims to be a Christian would do something so heartless and cruel."

Watching the news coverage, as well as thinking more about it in my mind, I came to two conclusions.

1. When you act violently against someone because they belong to a specific group of people, it does absolutely nothing except infuriate that specific group.

Google the name "Emmett Till" and tell me his murder did nothing to ignite the civil rights movement of the 50's and 60's. Google "Bull Connor" and tell me his actions did not generate sympathy towards blacks in the south.

2. No matter how religious or irreligious the state; no matter how many Republicans or Democrats live in a certain city; no matter how many people do or don't drive hybrid cars in a particular town, there will always be those who insist and behaving like idiots, going out of their way to hurt and bully others.

Yes it's sad but it's still true.

22ozn44ozglass
Southern Utah, UT

I hope a thorough investigation is performed and that the guitly are apprehended and tried in Court. Once the perpetrators are apprehended, it will be interesting to see who they are and what they are about.

It is a sad day for all of us when anyone is beat up or assualted like this for whatever the reason, but there are several posters who have made an attempt to blame this incident on the LDS. It is also sad that this tragedy is being used as fodder for LDS and religion bashing. I am well aware of the LDS teachings and I have never heard any offical teaching condone or justify violence outside of self defense.

As the perpetrators have not been identified, we have no facts regarding their religious background or lack there of, and the perpetrators alone are responsible for their crimes. The LDS did not tell them to do this, and the decision to assault this man was made soley by the perpetrators.

So I pose this question, if the perpetrators are determined to be agnostic, atheists or any religion other than active LDS in good standing, will the LDS bashers own their hasty judgments?

TheJournalist
Bluffdale, UT

This story is appalling on every level, and we as Utahan's should be ashamed that this happened on our turf.

Second, why is all the major news outlets in the SLC region only reporting this now. This story happened almost a week ago, and it was only after people in the gay community demanded the story be published was it done so.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@ignoranceisbliss 7:43

Your comment is one reason why I'm so glad I grew up in the Rose Park/Riverside area of Salt Lake City.

I attended Jackson Elementary, Northwest Middle School and West High School where I would say my close friends were somewhere between 50/50 to 40/60 LDS to non-LDS.

To me it is very frustrating when I hear examples such as your own, because my siblings and I have always attempted to be as friendly and open to all our neighbors and co-workers, regardless of their faith. Even in my own family, my siblings, nieces and nephews who no longer attend church are still just as welcome to family activities as everyone else.

I suppose its like the philosophy behind customer service. If someone has a good experience at a restaurant, they might tell one person. If they have a bad experience, they will tell at least 10 people.

@Kdee 9:49

You said - "This beating wasn't about Dane Hall. This beating was about being gay. The crime was intended to send a message to all other gay men."

Based on comments here, it sounds like that message is backfiring.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

It seems to me that so-called "curbing" ought to be regarded as attempted murder. Very sorry this person was attacked.

windsor
City, Ut

article: "I don't have an answer. None of us do."

In all seriousness,and with no flippancy, THERE IS an answer.

It seemed that there was so much less of this type of violence back in a time when those of a different persuasion didn't insist on others knowing of that persuasion.

That seems like a sensible answer: Don't broadcast and insist that others know of and/or accept your alternate lifestyle.

I honestly can see no downside to keeping your private life and private business just that: private.

What they don't know--they can't judge, disagree with, condemn, or stupidly think they are going to change with violence.

GoldieZ
Eureka, UT

The men that beat him were certainly not "religious" in any way. Neither was the one that was beaten.

Pete in Texas
Copperas Cove, TX

Thanks for your comments, Silly Rabbit. I just wanted to add one or two other thoughts:

I don't support gay marriages. I don't support gay lifestyles. I believe to live that way is morally wrong. I don't hate an individual because they're gay and I don't think I'm any better than them because I'm not gay. We all have our challenges in life. Some folks were born with predispositions towards things that aren't "normal". Some folks have addictive personalities. They're predisposed that way. At the end of the day, it shouldn't be what we submit to that defines us, it should be what we're able to overcome. As a member of the predominate religion in Utah, it saddens me when I get accused of hate for actions I believe to be morally wrong. In truth, when someone bashes me over perceived bigotry because I don't support a certain way or lifestyle, they show their bigotry towards me. The accuser becomes the perpetrator in this regard. Respect is two way. If you want my respect for your right to live a certain way, respect my right to not agree with it. Both can be done without malice or hate.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

I've known a young man in the 80's that would talk as if he would do this type of thing to someone. He was also the bishop's son. Very missguided about various topics.

The people that do this are NOT following thier religion - that's the problem. I better see that this is follwed up on or the DA and other ifficials are going to be getting an angry phone call. I learned long ago that it actually does wonders to call local officials. For some reason in Utah it's particularly effective.

Elcapitan
Ivins, UT

Speaking about religion and violence. True religion, in any form, despises violence to other innocent human beings. While on the other hand, teach that some some human behavior is unacceptable in their ranks. Never the less, violence is not tolerated. Remember the words of Christ, "In as much as ye do it unto the least of these my brethren, ye do it unto me." I hope these criminals can be brought to justice.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

From the article,

"That education starts with young people who say phrases like, "That's so gay," she said. "People need to be called out when they're displaying that type of behavior.""

While I agree that we should treat each other with respect, I found "that type of behavior" a bit odd. In my eyes, children should be taught to respect other views, including those that disagree- but that respecting other views does not equate the abandonment of ones own. I believe that homosexuality is a behavior, an immoral one, and has devastating affects on the individual and the family.

That is my belief, obviously not shared by everyone. But what if I wanted to talk about sex in school? Would that solve problems? Would that please the masses?

1- My health teachers, against what liberals claim, taught that certain things were 'okay', only 'natural', that my religious views were inaccurate.

2- Even with such education programs, people make worse decisions today than every before relating to sex.

The reasons we implemented such programs are worse of now than before. WE don't need to teach anything. Parents are the proper teachers. Without promoting family, no progress can be made.

S.Andrew Zaelit
Salt Lake City, UT

The gay community is outraged? The ENTIRE community should be outraged. This senseless and disgusting act is nothing short of terrorism. The victim could be Mormon, Jewish, Catholic, Irish, or Muslim. Hate crimes apply to more than just gay individuals. Hate is hate. Tolerance does not and should not equal acceptance, but treating people with respect despite our differences is universal.

J-TX
Allen, TX

@isrred | 7:39 p.m. Sept. 1, 2011

You presume to tell people what they believe? Typical left intolerance.

isrred
Logan, UT

"Bible-believing Christians can, without picking and choosing, condemn both homosexual behavior and violence against homosexuals."

No, they can't. If you're going off of Jesus' new higher law, what did Jesus EVER say about homosexuality? Nothing. Nada. The only biblical basis for anti-homosexual beliefs are NOT found in Jesus' teachings. So like I said, you can't use the Bible as a source against homosexuality while also ignoring the calls for violence in those same verses.

utahboni
Ogden, UT

Kdee, seriously, can you site even one case of someone being beaten up for being heterosexual? The kind of hate you are talking about always comes from somewhere. It doesn't spring up suddenly like weeds in the sidewalk. The holocaust was caused by Hitler ranting against Jews. Hitler was ranting because he had an agenda.

The evangelical community constantly demonizes and rants against gay people. Like Hitler, they obviously have an agenda. This kind of hate ranting generates fear and anger. Fear and anger generate violence. Everyone in a position of power knows this. Machiavelli wrote about this 550 years ago.

I have quite a few gay friends and I have never heard even one rant against heterosexuals the way I've heard deeply religious Christians rant against gays nearly every single day. Even naming the Anti-Gay Marriage Act the Defense of Marriage Act puts the faithful on notice that they need to go on the defense. Proclaiming a need for defense implies the unstated concept of an enemy storming the gate.

If Christians and Mormans are offended by this simple statement of truth, clean up your house.

NWCL INDP
Murray, UT

"Advocates of the gay and lesbian community in Salt Lake City say the violence against gay people has to stop."

The title should be changed to "Most people in and around the Salt Lake City community say violence against gay people has to stop." It is a shame that this incident isn't more published and condemned.

Vanka
Provo, UT

You can see in these comments the latent hostility and hatred of gays by religious people. Denying there is a connection is not only naive, but disingenuous.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Why is everybody bashing Mormons over this incident? It was a bunch of straight-edgers who assaulted this man, not a bunch of Mormons.

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