Yes. Very happy. Sorry other weaklings.
I do believe the PAC-12 will soon expand to 16 and take Texas, TT, OU, and OkSt.
I do not believe BYU should join any league at the moment. I'm not sure what
will happen with the remaining Big 12 schools though. That is a huge question.
Do the Kansas schools and Iowa St join the MWC or Conferance USA? What happens
to the remaining TX schools. Best case scenario for the left over schools would
be to revive the Big 12 but would it retain a BCS contract or a solid TV
deal?Ideally the left overs should go after the best of the non-BCS schools to
try a keep BCS eligbility and a solid TV contract (better than the MWC).
Everyone knows what the PAC 16 would look like so here is the best scenario for
the remnants of the Big 12 (after Missouri bolts for ACC, Big East, or Big
10).Iowa StKansasKansas StBaylorNew
MembersBYUTCUBoise StHoustonAir ForceColorado StNevadaFresno StFor 16 teams addSDSUSMUTulsaUtah St??Let the WAC, MWC, Conf USA remnants
I am afraid it's coming and I am afraid it will ruin college football. Sports
are best when they are as fair as possible and as accessible as possible.
That's what makes March Madness so fun, everyone has a chance. I think 12 team
conferences are ideal. Texas stay put! The PAC 12 suits me just fine.
ExplanationAll 16 teams would give the new conferance 11.5M TV sets
in market and Several top 100 marketsDallasHoustonSLCDenverThey would also be as good as the Big East in Football and
the PAC 16 in basketball.How does that compare
Texas and Oklahoma are not going to leave the BIG 12 if they can have even close
to the same thing they can get elsewhere in the BIG 12(and they can...easily).
Why leave your ocean when you are the big fish just to go to another ocean the
same size and have other fish your same size or bigger? They want to compete
against the best teams in a NC playoff, not to get to the palyoff. Not gonna
happen! The BIG 12 will add BYU for 10 teams and will find some ACC, Big East,
USA or maybe MWC teams to expand to 16 if it comes to that and that is much
farther away than most people think. The BCS will change radically or disband
when the superconference playoff thing happens.If the PAC expands again,
they may pick off a small big 12 team or 2 but likely will have to settle for
some of the following MWC teams:UNLVNevadaFresnoBoiseSan Diego State
Why leave your ocean TJ? Because there is a hole in the floor and the water is
running out. Everyone is too nervous about getting left behind. There will
likely only be 64 spots in the super conference musical chairs. Texas has made
the Big 12 too unstable.
Yeah great! Raid lesser conferences to rebuild the BIG 12 conference.The
day is coming when schools won't need the NCAA. They can build super conferences
without them and the oversight.
I respect your opinion TJ, but pretty much every national pundit with a source
disagrees with you.If the shake down happens and there ends up being
4 super conferences of 16 teams, none of the schools you mention will be in with
the exception of BYU and possibly Boise State, and neither will be in the PAC
I hope BYU doesn't join any bigoted conference.
From what I've read the networks (ESPN/ABC, FOX, CBS etc...) aren't ready for a
contraction to four leagues and the rights fees that would likely come with such
mega organizations. I think as long as Texas and Oklahoma remain committed to
the Big 12 it will stay in place, BUT that could well hinge on the willingness
of BYU to join the league. If BYU says "NO" to the Big 12 for what
ever reason (It won't the strict "No Sunday Play" policy of BYU, the
Big 12 AD's have come out in support of that one ESPN has reported), then you
can project a possible Oklahoma and Texas defection and the Big 12 will come
unraveled. Unlike last year BYU now has the ability to negotiate Big 12
membership from a position of power. Look for this to be a done deal by the
weekend if not sooner with only token resistance on the BYU Board of Trustees to
" BUT that could well hinge on the willingness of BYU to join the
league."Did you just seriously say that the Big 12 staying
together hinges on BYU joining?That's absolutely ludicrous, Texas
and OU will do what they beleive is in their best interests and BYU does not
factor into those decisions.
@Ibleedcrimson: VERY serious and no ludicrous nonsense whatsoever. I don't
doubt for a minute that Texas President Bill Powers and Oklahoma President David
Boren have been on the phone with BYU President Cecil Samuelson on this matter
as this all comes about. Ute fans can cry me a river that their perceived
advantage as being the only BCS affiliated college school in the state goes down
the Red River...no pun intended! :-)
@ibleedcrimsonSee the following excerpt from the Seattle Post.
There's a similar comment in The Oklahoman."Bohls predicts that
by the end of September, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will
have joined the new Pac-16 and the Longhorn Network will be brought under the
Pac-12 Network umbrella.The rest of the Big 12 will scatter like
refugees without a country. Bohls speculates that Missouri could end up in the
Big Ten or the Atlantic Coast Conference. Kansas could end up in the Big
East.One thing that could save the big 12? Brigham Young. Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune, reported Thursday that BYU officials are in
talks with the Big 12 to join as a football school. Last year, BYU joined the
West Coast Conference in most other sports.BYU would bring its own
network to the Big 12, much like Texas. There apparently are other interested
parties in on the talks too, according to Drew.So maybe the Big 12
is saved by BYU, which has a contract with ESPN and a six-game series with Notre
@TJ How does an ex-community college fit into the PAC academics
wise. Everything I have read says if OU leaves BIG 12 is done.@CougFaninTX BYU couldn't even stop Fresno and Nevada from
leaving the sinking ship called the WAC. So how's it going to save the BIG 12
if lets say Missouri decides to leave? Remember Missouri tried to get into the
Big 10 last year.BYU is a great fit for the Big 12 but Big 12 might
not be a great fit for the Super 4.
@Uteology:Very correct point about Boise State. BYU is best suited
to get on board the Big 12/BCS-AQ at this point since as the so-called 4
super-conferences evolve BYU can be involved with any mergers similar to what we
saw with the SWC with the Big 12 in 1994. I don't think Oklahoma and/or Texas
is going to pull the trigger on this one, and who knows after the Big-12
renegotiates their 1st tier rights @2015 things will stabilize for them. As it
is one of those two schools will have to initiate with the Pac-12 or
Big-Tesincene neither of those leagues is advertising for new members as they
were after the 2009 season. This will likely be the back wave of this
realignment with the Big 12 likely adding 2 more members by 2014 to complement
this likely addition of BYU. Neither Larry Scott or Mike Slive is going to do
anything to bperceiveded as the bad guy to try and pluck the carcass of Dan
Well, it took Wynn a few incompletes but 2+ minutes into the game it's 7-0
Utah.I believe some folks believe BYU could save the Big-12.The question is whether I believe BYU believes they should accept a
bid.The SEC is eveidence that the 12-team conference works.Wouldn't it be funny if Texas A&M doesn't get the invite to the SEC?...
Word coming out of Big 12 country is saying that BYU will join and it will be
announced right before their game with Texas.Pittsburgh and Louisville to
join shortly thereafter. Three years from now Notre Dame and one other to join
league.... After tonight's performance maybe Montana State!