Charles Abuo went to Logan High school for 3 years so he is kind a, sort of,
Can you have an empty crowd?
utahcountyute said,So you have another Randy and Robbie Reid?Who are the best BB players that have ever come out of Utah County? Travis Hansen, Emery? Good role players at best. I don't see the reason
for the hype.Umm, how about Devin Durrant? Conference player of the
year, All-American. Provo High grad.
To Natester:we'll never know if Brandon Davies would have put the
cougars over the top or not in that sweet 16 game. Just like we'll never know
about a lot of other what if's. we could argue that the other players such as
Hartsock would have never played above their abilities if Davies had been there.
All speculation.The bottom line is byu has never had the overall
athleticism, size and skill to go any further than they have. Utah has rarely
had it either. All of the final four teams and eventual NCAA champions of the
past 40 years Have atleast that mix of players that I mentioned in my earlier
So you have another Randy and Robbie Reid?Who are the best BB
players that have ever come out of Utah County? Travis Hansen,
Emery? Good role players at best. I don't see the reason for the hype.
To the REAL DEAL:Not sure what reasoning you are using when you
claim that it would be unrealistic to see BYU in the Elite 8 this past year, if
they would have had Davies?? Without him, they got beat, in O.T., by the team
that won it all! Was BYU one point better with Davies?? Uumm, YEP.That said, I agree with what you are saying about needing big men to go
further. BYU's hope is that with top-notch players beginning to commit to BYU
(see Collinsworth / Emery)they may begin to attract the bigger, taller, longer
players there, as well. Hard to not respect the program that Rose has built,
and it doesn't appear to be de-railing anytime soon. You are right, though -
they DO need the bigs to take the next step.
ted cantrellbyu has had some very good big guys over the years for
sure. However none of them have done what Utahs bigs have done in the NCAA
tournament. Winning and money can never take precedence over byu's honor code.
That's the law at byu.Assuming byu would have made it to the elite 8 with
Brandon Davies this past season is unrealistic. He's good. Not great.You are right about Utah having a great basketball history. It is in fact all
history now. But as byu proved in football by overcoming the terrible Crowten
era and in basketball by overcoming the terrible end to the Reid era Utah can
overcome the past few years of bad basketball.I have no reason to believe they
wont.My main point was you're never going to go far in the NCAA
tournament with a bunch of 6"0-6"5 white players from Happy Valley
unless you have Great bigs and very good complimentary players that aren't all
white. Ainge and Jimmer were twice in 30 year abberations for byu. The sweet 16
was their ceiling.
These kids can play and they are going to win a lot of games. Having been
associated with highschool sports for my entire life in multiple states I can
say that this is no small victory for BYU. Basketball in the state of Utah is
at a pinnacle right now and these boys along with Loveridge are what is making
it so great. It is without question that BYU wanted Loveridge, but if they had
to trade Loveridge for Emery it would be done in a heartbeat. This doesn't take
anything away from Jordan, but more speaks to the talent of Nick. Haws is
largely viewed as a better player than his brother who had an immediate impact
on BYU as a freshman. This is even more impressive when you consider that his
team won 30 games so to contribute as a freshman is a big deal. In my opinion
the best of all of them is Kyle Collinsworth. He is long, atheletic and a
@Uteology:Have you ever traveled to Air Force to watch the cadets
play in front of almost 6,000 fans? When was the last time you were at a filled
high school gym watching an exciting game with less than 2,000 fans, but the
place was rocking? I would take exciting basketball in a jam-packed full arena
(being broadcast by ESPN all over the country) over sitting in a half-full
Huntsman Center crowd watching a bad basketball game ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.Jabari came to BYU because he is actually interested in the basketball
program. Not just because his mom is Mormon. Again, my question to you is why
is he not visiting the Utah program? I'm with "CougFanin TX"....I
just don't get the shots a few of you are taking at the Cougs basketball program
right now. I actually do hope the Utes make it back in basketball soon, because
these comments are getting REDiculous!
@Uteology "I never said 2,000 seat is quite, what I said was a empty HC red
seats will make "more noise"; assuming that Coach K brings winning
back to the program."I think I can state fairly positively that
8000 EMPTY Hunstman Center chairs are definitely NOT going to make as much noise
as 2000 filled chairs.Unless you're referring to the sound of
silence...then you may have a point :)Just throwing that out
there.As for Jabari, I was mostly being facetious with my comment,
but the fact that BYU is right up there with the 'big' time programs in his
commitment is pretty impressive, regardless of the fact that he's LDS.U fans says that an LDS athlete can get the same experience at the U as at
BYU, and yet Jabari's not even considering the U (or Utah's not recruiting him,
which also seems absurd, since they're in the mighty PAC 12 right now).Either way, it's pretty cool he's considering the Cougs.Go
First - Your argument that BYU only gets Utah kids is weak. We get the best of
the Utah kids, but more than 50% of our roster is from out of state. Stephen Rogers, Noah Hartsock, Brock Zylstra, Matt Carlino, Damarcus Harrison,
Charles Abouo, Anson WinderBy the way, which Utah players would U
not want on your roster?Second - I don't understand your shots at
BYUs basketball program. I get the banter back and forth with football, because
the teams have been pretty even for awhile. But if I was a U basketball fan and
watched my team get whipped by the bottom team in the WCC, I don't think I'd be
taking any shots at the WCC. I'd keep my head low and hope for better days
@Veracity | 3:06 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011One can also argue...If BYU's tradition holds true, BYU will find another Ainge/Jimmer in 30 years
to lead them to their next Sweet 16... sorry, that's just the way it is.
@NatesterI never said 2,000 seat is quite, what I said was a empty
HC red seats will make "more noise"; assuming that Coach K brings
winning back to the program. I am willing to bet 2,0000 fans make less noise
than 8,0000 fans (HC avg last year) on winning or losing programs.Actually, the fact that Jabari Parker made a trip to Provo is not amazing
considering he's a devout Mormon and his mom is a BYU alum. What
would be amazing is players like Shabazz Muhammad from LV making a trip to BYU
or USU or even Utah.
Chris B LoveridgeHawsEmeryOne of these is an
amazing athlete. Two are decent ball players. There is a difference. If Utah tradition holds true, Loveridge will transfers from Utah between his
freshman and sophmore year...sorry, thats just the way it is.
Chris B.- You have never seen any of these 3 play...stop spoutin' off until you
know what you are talking about.
Chris bWhy do you have to bring race into it?Lame.We get that you have "bias" toward "Athletes."BYU is too white, too religious, and too successful for your narrow
Real DealBYU has a couple of good bigs. In fact if winning and
money were more important that principle, they would have made it at least to
the Elite 8 with Brandon Davies! They might have won it all. Yes,
Utah HAS a great basket ball history, but that is all history. If last year
looked grim, this year may be worse (provided that the Pac 10 plus 2 is better
than the Mountain, which is questionable in basketball).
This is great! Now all we need is Jabari Parker (2013 Class) BYU could run for
the NCAA Championship with these young men added to what we now have!
byu's two best years were whenever that was in 1980 and last year. Both sweet 16
years. Their two best players ever were Danny Ainge 6"4 and Jimmer Fredette
6"1 from those two years.Both of them were guards and both of them are
white.To go to the sweet 16 or better more than twice in your schools history
you need great white players who are also very tall on a consistent basis.
Here's how Utah has done it many times in that same 30 year span.Josh Grant
6"9 (sweet 16), Keith Vanhorn 6"10 (sweet 16,elite 8), Michael Doleac
7"0(sweet 16, elite 8, final 4)Andrew Bogut 7"0 (sweet 16. Then mix in
a whole lot of medium sized black and white players who can really play.byu can
recruit as many small to medium sized white players from Lone Peak and Provo
high they want. Those type of players will never get them to a final 4. They
will only keep them competitive.
Uteology:Maybe he comes to BYU. Maybe he doesn't. I don't think
anyone is planning on it.You sure are spending a lot of time
researching a recruit that the U isn't even in the running for.Also:More fans in the HC than in WCC arenas means the collective
groan of Ute fans in the HC as the U continues to lose to San Deigo, SW Baptist
et al will be making more noise than the collective groan of fans in WCC arenas
sitting through BYU beating their respective teams.
@uteologyHere are the actual capacities for the WCC gymns.Basketball Arena SizeBYU: 22,700Gonzaga:
6,000San Francisco: 5,300San Diego: 5,100Portland: 4,852Santa Clara: 4,500Loyola marymount:
4,156Saint Mary's: 3,500Pepperdine: 3,104Now
Mr. Ute(myth)ologyWhere are these 2k seat High School gymns you
continually speak of?In a court of law, all of your previous and
future testimony would be dismissed, as you have been deemed to be an unreliable
witness.Many of the Big East and Atlantic 10 schools have arenas
this small as well, so what? Stanfords is 8k and Dukes is 9k.When Utah can
fill the one thay have, then you can spout off.
it's a family game now :)
Uteology:Say that one outloud and do it with a straight face....
"red seats even when empty make more noise than a 2,000 seat
gymnasium." Are you serious? Not sure if you've been in a 2,000 seat
filled gymnasium, but it's far from quiet. The Hunstman Center has been pretty
quiet, lately....Also, Jabari Parker is wanted by every ligit school
in the country. Kids like that don't come out West to BYU or Utah. The fact
that he's even made a trip to Provo is amazing. Ask them - NOBODY in Provo
believes his ticket has been punched for BYU. To be considering BYU at all is
an honor to the institution and the program which continues to build. I didn't
see Utah on his list....(and please save the "well, that's because we
didn't recruit him" bit).
wait! this has to be wrong. no pac 10 plus 2? it can't be. something is amiss.
chrissy b and wedgie, say it ain't so.....please.
Chris BI hardly ever comment on these posts, but sometimes I can't
resist:I am willing to bet that Chris B has never even seen either
of these boys play a single basketball game. I have watched ALL THREE play, and
I've seen all of them play dozens of times. Loveridge is a very
talented athlete and will do very well at Utah. Needs to work on his outside
shooting for a D1 athlete, but I have no doubt that he will do very well. At 6'
5" (i know he's listed at 6'6"), but that won't dominate in the middle
for a D1 athlete - too small.As for Emery and Haws - there are few
ball players in this entire state better than these two. I have watched (and
coached against) both of them for years. I can tell you that there are no
better Juniors or Sophomores playin anywhere in this state! PeriodThat's why they'll win 5A state championship again this year and probably the
next. Emery is the closest thing I've seen to Jimmer - I expect great things
from this kid.
@Independence Is BlissRed seats even when empty make more noise than
a 2,000 seat gymnasium that you'll be playing in this year. Cross your fingers
that the Big 12 calls.@truecoug1Here's a little something from
Sports Illustrated about Jabari Parker:As Jabari's recruitment heats
up, Sonny and Lola have made clear his college destination will be his decision.
Contrary to some of the chatter making its way around the summer circuit, Parker
is not automatically ticketed for BYU because he is Mormon (he has no plans to
go on a mission while in college), nor is he certain to wind up at Washington
because of Romar's relationship with Sonny. (Though Washington's cause will
certainly not be hurt if Jabari's older brother, Chris, enrolls in the fall and
joins Romar's team as a manager, which Chris is hoping to do).
Who knew this would be the outcome when Grandpa and Grandma left Germany to come
to Utah. What a great move.
Duckhunted your prognostication skills are amazing, absolutely something to
chuckle about. Where are you comments about your Utes? They are sorely missing
because there is nothing to say about the basketball team. I am looking forward
to seeing how the Utes will get blitzed in the PAC-12.
@KRY "Jackson Emery is a prime example he was great his freshman year at
BYU and had a hugh upside. Came back from his mission and didn't really
excell."Not sure how you figure that statement to be correct.
Jax played in 28 games his freshman year and started 6. He averaged 2.8 PPG,
1.5 RPG, and .4 SPG.When he got back from his mission in '08-'09, he
started every single game, averaging 7.8 PPG, 3.8 RPG, and 1.5 SPG.His junior season, a year after his mission, was arguably his best, when he
averaged 12.5 PPG, 4.5 RPG, and 2.6 SPG while shooting career highs in FG% and
3FG%.Jackson not only got better after his missions, I'd say he
definitely excelled!I expect the same from Tyler Haws, Nick Emery,
and T.J. Haws.Go Cougars!
All I know is that the best football player in Utah high schools this year is
committed to the Y. And the best basketball play in Utah high schools this
year is committed to the Y.
Chris B:You are going to need all the athletes you can get. Not only so you don't have 5 losing seasons in 7 years,But
so you can have enough to field a team.8 players transfer last
year.3 coaches in 6 years.4 losing seasons in 6
years.As you like to say:What a team. What a program.
Also, Haws and Emery were on the first team for their AAU tournament in
Massachusetts this summer as underclassmen. They were competing against
"athletic" players from all over the country. They just PERFORMED
above the rest.
RE: Chris BAlso, Loveridge had offers from BYU, Utah and Hawaii and
Santa Clara. Nick Emery has been contacted numerous times by KANSAS. Can you see
the difference? Apparently Kansas just really likes people that are very good at
basketball and worries about athleticism second. Also, there was another
"unathletic" player at BYU that people said the same thing about. His
name was Jimmer (he was good enough to only go by one name). Have you heard of
RE: Chris B"One of these is an amazing athlete. Two are decent
ball players. There is a difference."You are right, there is a
difference. The "athletic" one is without a championship or a player
of the year award. The other two have a championship and one has a player of the
year award. And these champions are the heart of their team as a freshman and
sophomore (last year) and are going to get MUCH BETTER. Meanwhile, Loveridge
(while a great player) wasn't on a team that could actually win it. His team was
outclassed by some younguns that can PLAY THE GAME VERY WELL. It
seems as though you don't care at all about your credibility.
Ahhh, Chris B. It took you a while to join in! To separate Loveridge from Haws
and Emery is just plain silly. All three are amazing athletes and great ball
players. If you wish to continue the comaparisons, why not compare who has won
a State Championship? I'm happy for Loveridge - he has a heckuva task in front
of him - one that I'm sure he's enthused about. But Haws and Emery have been in
an elite class of winners for their entire lives. Technically, they have more
accompishments to their names, and are younger. Let's just be honest and say
all three are wonderful ball players and will improve their respective teams.
To answer previous question about whether Haws and Emery are guards or if they
are still growing.... Emery has played some point, but is a strong enough
slasher to play the 2. Haws is definately still growing and is also a strong
slasher. While not playing point guard (others in the program are there) he has
ball-handling and court awareness to play point, 2, or 3. Both will keep
getting stronger (heck, they are State Champs at 15 and 16 yrs. of age!). While
on the same court they push the ball down the court so hard, other high school
teams can't keep up. They are an unbeatable duo in high school....can't wait to
see them together as Cougars. WATCH OUT. Above all, they both come from great
families and are wonderful young men.
BYU fan here, but committing whilst you are a sophomore and junior? Would it be
any surprise though that TJ would NOT go to BYU? I see that Jimmer is engaged.
BYU should lock up his yet to be born boys commit to them now dontcha think? I
know that you often see recruiters attending jr high games but it is getting a
LoveridgeHawsEmeryOne of these is an amazing athlete.
Two are decent ball players. There is a difference.
Did Jimmer average that in High School? Impressive scoring for players that
young. Go Cougs!
I agree with FinUte 100%, this down-time for Utah basketball is just a blip on
the radar, just like that 1-25 season that caused Roger Reid his job. Luckily, their resurgence won't come at the cost of BYU's roster. Now a member
of the PAC-12, they are going to get many of their players from the existing PAC
footprint. Many families living in difficult situations and neighborhoods will
push their kids to play in Salt Lake's safer environment. Utah will be
"packed" with non-LDS, high quality coast players while BYU will have
the pick of the in-state litter.It's a win-win for both schools, one
that makes the secular school even more secular and the Mormon school even more
Mormon.And that will make the rivalry even more dark and raucous.
And that's a great thing.
KRY said: "Watch when Tyler Haws comes back he will not reach his full
potiential. Jackson Emery is a prime example he was great his freshman year at
BYU and had a hugh upside. Came back from his mission and didn't really excell
(excel)."I think that if KRY were to ask Coach Rose or Jimmer
Fredette whether Jackson Emery excelled, you would hear that he did. He was a
fabulous role player, and without him BYU would not have been the great team
they were. Being anti-mission reveals that you care more for the honors of men
than you do for the balanced development of the young man.
A few Ute responses demonstrate envy and jealousy over Haws/Jackson commit. Some
utes know the recruiting battle is on and are gracious.Stay tuned...
These two young men have not only set the course of BYU basketball for the
coming years, but also made a statement about their own personal lives.
Congratulations to you both and to the Cougars.
Marty Haws has done a great job raising TJ and Tyler to be humble, excellent
kids, as well as awesome athletes. I'm no BYU fan but I'll be cheering for TJ
to do well.
Congrats byu but this really isn't much of a surprise to anyone is it? Lone
Peak high school should compete pretty well in the WCC.
Lone Peak=BYU JV team
KRYI couldn't disagree more about your stance on missions. And yes,
I'm a diehard, lifelong Ute fan. Agree that the mission may not
increase their athleticism, etc. But, the maturity gained will help both on and
off the court. I'm pretty sure that Alex Jensen met his full
potential after serving his mission, and we all know what his leadership did for
that '98 squad.
Wow! Pretty big commitment to offer scholarships to a current Junior and
Sophomore in high school! And both boys are on the smaller size, not big frame
guys. The article lists schools showing interest in Emery, but what about Haws--
as a 10th grader? I understand another former Y player that simply went by his
first name was also small of stature by basketball standards. I certainly hope
things work out for both of them. Go Cougs!
No surprise to anyone these two boys were going to BYU. Perfect fit for their
games. Both of these kids are the best players in their age group in the state
of Utah. They have been the best since 3rd grade.It mentioned in
the Article they will both go on missions. In my mind this is why they went to
BYU. Most other schools beside Utah schools don't allow kids to go on missions
and miss 2yrs of basketball. I am a full believer kids do not come back from a
mission better at basketball and they never reach their full potiential. Watch when Tyler Haws comes back he will not reach his full potiential.
Jackson Emery is a prime example he was great his freshman year at BYU and had a
hugh upside. Came back from his mission and didn't really excell. Think Jimmer, no mission, improved every year, number 10 pick. I think Emery
has a chance to be a poor mans Jimmer but this is only if he doesn't go on a
Congrats to both these young men. A college education is a phenomenal thing,
and shouldn't be taken for granted. In truth, I don't think that
anyone really doubted where they would go, given where they live and the BYU
influence in their respective families. Nevertheless, a loss for Utah for sure.
That being said, I certainly hope that BYU fans aren't counting on
Utah being down for long. Case in point: when BYU went 1-25, I kept telling my
overly-exuberant Ute buddies that BYU would be back and to not get too
overconfident. I see that same weakness now in the BYU fan base, and feel like
I need to give the same cautioning message to you now. Utah will be
back. Loveridge is a start, and the progress will be slow and steady, but
certainly noticeable. Again, Utah will be back.Like it or not, it
is in all our own best interests if both schools are successful. Here's hoping
that is the case, (and that Utah wins more than we lose against our
"former" rival) :)
Awesome. Looking forward to watching Emery and Haws at the Marriott Center.Now let's go get Jabari.
BYU lands two huge, big time recruits. Suddenly Loveridge is re-thinking his
decision. Big time basketball is showing up in Provo.
With their names, was there ever a doubt? These kids drank the blue koolaid aid
in their bottles. They will do well with their school of choice.
@faridClosest player on BYU's roster to Loveridge is K. Collinsworth.
Loveridge has a better outside shot. Collinsworth is much more versatile and
has the ability to play the 1 - 4 spots. Collinsworth is a better defender.
It's hard to make comparisons, but Collinsworth is probably the closest.
O my goodness, what a relief. The suspense was killing me.
Wow!As a die-hard Cougar hoops fan, I am so pleased. Thanks to these young men -- and to their parents for rearing them well!Both players have great upsides!
nice commits boys you will go undefeated in the WCC!!! It's really too hard to
step up to the next level....but u boy's will be awesome at BYU!!!
Emery on one of the reasons he chose BYU: "You never play before an empty
crowd at BYU, and I love that," Is that a dig on Utah? I think
so.Prediction: Loveridge will soon understand all too well that red
seats don't make much noise and he will commit to BYU. He's probably already
rethinking his decision now.
they don't compare Loveridge will be an NBA player...the other two will be all
conference wcc players!!
Farid @ Pocatello | 10:48 p.m. Aug. 29, 2011 Pocatello, IDI am in
Idaho and don't know anything about the Loveridge kid. Is he LDS? If yes, then
that was a coup for Utah. If he wasn't, then it makes sense that he went to the
U.Who would be a comparable player currently on the BYU roster, or
is there one?
WCC should be shaking in their high tops now!!!
I am in Idaho and don't know anything about the Loveridge kid. Is he LDS? If
yes, then that was a coup for Utah. If he wasn't, then it makes sense that he
went to the U.Who would be a comparable player currently on the BYU
roster, or is there one?
Also, think about this. In the past few weeks BYU has landed Haws, Emery and
Hinds in football and lost out on only Jordan Loveridge. That is a GREAT
recruiting haul. We lost out on Chase Hansen but Tanner Mangum's performance at
Elite 11, and watching highlights of Taysom Hill (the most athletic QB I have
ever seen in HS) make that loss perfectly acceptable. It is a great time to be a
BYU Cougar right now. Cougar nation is going strong!If BYU gets
invited into the BIG12 I think it will start to get even more lopsided. I am
really glad that the Utes invitation to the PAC12 hasn't really done any damage
in recruiting. I'll take our current haul any day!
This is great news. Absolutely great players. When you watch their highlight
videos you can tell they have been trained to play basketball since they were
young by how they approach the game. Those are the kinds of players that win
championships (as their track record in high school is proving). I love that
they said "at BYU you never play in front of an empty crowd." That
showed that people notice how little support Utah is giving their team right now
in down years. If only Jordan Loveridge would have committed. My
guess is that Coach K recruited him like mad to play there because he knew his
win/loss record likely depended on it. Right now, even with Jordan Loveridge,
the outlook is pretty bleak for the Utes in the next few years (hard to tell
past that). Without Jordan Loveridge (and especially with him at BYU) the
situation would have been HORRIBLE. I can understand Loveridge committing
because he probably got recruited hard by K. I don't understand why he would
want to be part of that rebuilding, but more power to him. To each his own. BYU is shaping up nicely for years to come!
I thought they would both commit to BYU, but there's always that question mark
in the back of your mind. I'd love to see Jordan Chatman commit to the Cougs
also. He would complete the backcourt.Is Nick a point or shooting
guard? Is TJ a point or shooting guard? They are young enough, is there a
chance they will grow an inch or two? I'm sure both will serve missions, so it
will be awhile before we see them in their prime.I've heard that
Loveridge really wanted to come to BYU, but could see the log jam we already
have at the wing with Rogers and Haws (next year), plus K. Collinsworth the year
after, and Harrison who can play the 2 or 3. Now the focus turns to
getting another big guy for the class of 2013 and / or 2014. I'm anxious to see
Harward and Austin. Will they be another James Anderson type player or will one
of them be that dominant center like Plaistad or Davies. Nielsen should be a
good on when he makes it to campus in 2015.
Great to hear! cant go wrong with another Haws and Emery.
Now we can really donimate.
Great news, both kids are ballers and are going to be dang good.Next
up...Jabari Parker :)Go Cougars!
The last four Gatorade Players of the Year are or will be Cougars:Tyler Haws 07-08, 08-09Kyle Collinsworth 09-10Nick Emery 10-11
Incredible news. Emery has Jimmer type abilities to score and if Haws is
anything like his older brother this will be a great backcourt for years. What
a huge get for BYU more than offsetting the disappointing Loveridge news. Good
luck to Loveridge.
Nick Emery > Loveridge. BYU basketball > Ute basketball. Now I'm just
curious to see where the rest of Lone peak will go....like shumway and mika.
This is awesome. We could have an all Lone Peak starting 5 in a few years -
Tyler Haws, T.J. Haws, Nick Emery, Nate Austen and Josh Sharp. All great
basketball players, all great young men. The Cougars future looks very bright!
Good news for the Cougs!
The "recruit" that Utah took from the Cougars will get to play right
away and won't have to really compete for a spot. While he is giving up many
other things, he will play more minutes of basketball at Utah than at BYU.
Congratulations to the Cougars for getting commits from these young men. Now
let's hope there are a couple of others that might take BYU to the final four.
And boom goes the dynamite.
Great news for Cougar round ball fans. However, Emery was a Soph. and Haws was
a Freshman last year if my memory serves me right. Coach Rose is loading up
with more talent that ever before. Keep up the good work and stay healthy.