you cant take back what was not yours.
As a condition of statehood Utah agreed that these so called public lands are
National Lands and not state lands. They belong to citizens of the USA, whether
they live in Blanding or Salt Lake or even in Boston, New York, Miami or
Portland. At least Bishop knows that "half the acreage in the west".
Hatch can't get "your land back" because it's not yours to begin
with.Anyone who's spent even a little time in the public lands of
the west has seen the destruction of trails and roads caused by ORV's, mining
and irresponsible farming and ranching.
Mr. Bishop's number is not quite right. The federal government owns 85% of the
State of Utah. Idaho is similarly shackled.The civil war was not
about slavery - it was about the destruction of the 10th amendment. Only after
the civil war did you see the federal government blackmailing territories by
demanding deeding-over of most of the land in exchange for statehood. The
populations of any territory which was in political disfavor (e.g. the territory
of Deseret) watched in frustration while their territory was slowly carved up
and turned into states willing to be blackmailed - - and what choice did they
have?Welcome to Tho. Jefferson & Geo. Washington's Bane.For full disclosure, I was born & raised in Utah.
Well said by JoCo and george. That's why the native americans can't get their
land back either, it all belongs to the white man, black man, Mexicans, Asians,
China, Nevada, oil companies, kennecott, etc.This rally was a wasted
effort for special interest to think they own public land and should have free
reign over its use and destruction. Public means you have access, not
homesteading or property rights.
What is it with Utahns? Are their state lands managed so well? Can we see a
study that shows how well they're doing with their own lands? Federal lands
belong to us all, not just the residents of the state they happen to be in.
If Public Land is not ours, who's is it? That is the question.
That's right! The land belongs to the bureaucrats in D.C. Even your home, your
life, your freedoms belongs to them. Don't believe it? Just don't pay your taxes
and you will find out who owns you.
This rally had only one objective, to help a bunch of guys not feel buyers
remorse for purchasing expensive, silly motorized toys.
Can you sell your share of the public lands? No, then they don't belong to you.
@kdaveIt belongs to everyone in the nation not just utahn's. It became
federal land because no one wanted it at the time and long before the Mormons
arrived. Now if Utah wants to buy the land........@mountain man@8:56
I am sorry mountain man did you forget to vote? we are the government if its
screwed up its because we made it that way. @9:13 ah doesn't this
kind of contradict your previous post? your right the land belongs to all
Americans not just Utahans.
RE Mountanman (not my spelling) Who's private army, navy, and air force do you
have signed up to defend you in Hayden, Idaho after you don't pay taxes? Are
they going to get to your "mountan" to defend you on your own private
road? Were you home skooled? What about doctors, police, and firemen? Don't pay
taxes - you're just kidding? Right.
Do any of you ever want to visit Utah? Would you like a trail to hike on? or
maybe a road to drive on, that is not paved? Maybe you just might want to go
into the mountains? Well soon that will no longer be an option. You will
have to stay on the paved roads and groomed trails, or ride a bused tour like
Zoins Natioal Park. Daily the Federal Forest Service is closing trails. When
they are closed they are closed to EVERYONE. Wilderness is closed land, no one
has access. Controled wildlands are permit only access. Not a trace wilderness
is just that, no human can EVER go there. I have been in every state in the
lower 48 and parts of Canada. Why is New York, Oregon, Virgina pointing fingers
at Utah? Have you even been here? I have been where you live, I have seen the
mess your cities are.
New York, you are so wrong about the land. The land was the Utes, Piautes,
Goshutes, Hopis, Havsupi, Navajo and a few others it belonged to them. There are
tribes among us now. They had Utah first. My family had a large cattle ranch,
with the Piautes before the turn of the 20th century, that land was taken when
the government decided that it was to much for one family. The Piautes were
thrown off their land as was my family. Claimed land was confiscated for taxes
demanded that were to much for dirt poor people to pay. The entire town of
Kimberly Utah was a mining town the government decided was Forest Land. Some of
the land that is still privately own is now being cut off by road closures.
Thank you county mom, When I was a truck driver. We called East of the
Mississippi, the dirty side. Like you I would expect people to look to there own
backyard before commenting on mine. The Sierra club in California gives the SUWA
almost $2.0 million a year to work on Utah projects (read: wilderness areas).I
don't know for sure how much "Take back Utah" gets in donations but
have heard it is less than $20,000. The Sierra Club should give the money to the
state of California for there welfare system. It would be nice if they would
take the Old Broads (there name for themselves,not mine)down in Blanding, and
pay for there move back to California. TKS