Depressing that the PAC10 wanted to expand and was 'stuck' with mid-tier schools
like Utah and Colorado. No wonder they still want to expand...they understand
that their future is just as cloudy as the BIG12's...
@Johnny Triumphsour grapes are never good, no matter how you eat
them. spit them out and move on with life bro.
Nope Johnny Triumph.What schools have left the Pac 12? None.
Johnny Triumph - Regarding - "Depressing that the PAC10 wanted
to expand and was 'stuck' with mid-tier schools like Utah and Colorado. No
wonder they still want to expand...they understand that their future is just as
cloudy as the BIG12's."With all Larry Scott has accomplished
for the Pac-12 in the past year did you seriously expect anyone to read that
comment and think yeah, that guy really knows what he's talking about?
My prediction is that once A&M leaves the BIG12, OU/OSU join PACxx, and
Texas will announce independence. No conference is willing to allow Texas their
own network without equal revenue sharing. The question then becomes which
other two teams will join to make the PAC16?
No one has left the pac 12 because nobody wants them.
I think if the Pac 12 were to expand, they should seriosuly look at Hawaii, San
Diego State, Fresno State, Air Force and maybe even BYU.
RSLJAZZBYUUTAH said:"No one has left the pac 12 because nobody
wants them."Can you give one example of a Pac 12 school wanting
to leave and being rejected by another conference? You won't find it.Its more proper to say that nobody wants BYU. The past four decades prove it.
Yep, 4 super conferences will happen sooner than later. Even KWhit mentioned
that in a article over the weekend in the sltrib. I love how the tds fans are
downplaying everything. @RSLjazz,You implying no BCS
conferences would want Oregon or USC? Or where you MUST be referring to the
tds. Never a BCS invite...forever mid-major!
The only way the Pac expands is if they can any combo of Texas/Okla/Okla State.
If they get Texas they have to give up the Longhorn network or share their
revenues from it. I don't see it happening with Texas, but it's a possibility
with the Ok schools.
"Depressing that the PAC10 wanted to expand and was 'stuck' with mid-tier
schools like Utah and Colorado."What hurts more, Johnny
Triumph? That BYU wasn't considered when the PAC settled on mid-tier teams? Or
that BYU won't be considered when the PAC goes to 16?Looks to me
like the decision was based on the modern resume.2 BCS games - Utah1
BCS game - Colorado0 BCS games - BYU, but more than happy to take the BCS
money 4 times.
RSLJAZZBYUUTAH - "No one has left the pac 12 because nobody
wants them."Yet another super knowledge-filled comment by a BYU
fan. I'll bet you had everyone thinking, yeah, no one wants USC. No one wants
Nike U - I mean Oregon. Who would want Stanford linked in conversations with
them? Thank you so much for your insightful comment, it really made me think.
Portland Trail Blazers -Regarding: "I think if the Pac 12 were
to expand, they should seriosuly look at Hawaii, San Diego State, Fresno State,
Air Force and maybe even BYU."I wish the same. I'd love to see
the Pac-XX add all those with exception of either AFA or Fresno. The
reason it will never happen is because of the almighty TV dollar. No need for
the San Diego Market when you have So Cal covered. No need for AFA when you have
Colorado covered. Conference officials would tell us the same about
the SLC market in regards to not needing BYU which is probably true (because BYU
fans will tune into Utah games vs Pac-12 teams - we all know they will.) However
the argument there is BYU does pretty well nationally because of the LDS church,
that would be the best argument of that entire group of schools.But
again and unfortunately, it won't happen for that list of schools. Maybe BYU one
day. Here's a Ute fan that would welcome it, I hate seeing the rivalry split by
motorbike: You're right. BYU fans will tune in to watch Utah games. I'm a
college football junky and will watch any game, but I must admit, my two
favorite teams are BYU and anybody playing Utah.
RSLJAZZBYUUTAH | 12:46 p.m. Aug. 15, 2011 Syracuse, UT Come on
When the four super conferences are created, they'll take the cream of the crop
of the current conferences and independents, and jettison the flotsom.Programs like Indiana, Baylor, Iowa State, Washington State, Utah, and
Colorado will be left on the outside looking in.
There's no reason for the new super conferences to be stuck with the dead
weight. Just start one new major conference and divide it into four
divisions:East, Southeast, Midwest, and WestThen, only
invite programs that have been proven that they're an elite program by being a
perennial Top 25 team for at least the last 30 years.
gchris -You said: "motorbike: You're right. BYU fans will tune
in to watch Utah games. I'm a college football junky and will watch any game,
but I must admit, my two favorite teams are BYU and anybody playing
Utah."Touche my friend. I feel the same as you with the teams
reversed. Nothing wrong with that in my book. That's exactly why I wish BYU was
actually in the Pac-whatever. I wish the game would have more riding on it.
Phoenix"Then, only invite programs that have been proven that
they're an elite program by being a perennial Top 25 team for at least the last
30 years."...Is this the only way you can think of that would
make the BCS include BYU but exclude Utah? Ha ha. You are really trying hard to
hide the fact that Utah has has found much more success on the national level
recently than BYU has. Good luck with that buddy. BYU is nothing more than a
ClassyUte"Utah has has found much more success on the national
level recently than BYU"Top 15 Finishes in the Last Five
YearsBYU - 3Utah - 1"BYU is nothing more than a
jealous has-been."AP Top 25 Finishes in the Last Five YearsBYU - 4Utah - 2BYU has almost as many AP Top 25 Finishes in
the LAST FIVE YEARS(4), as Utah has in its ENTIRE HISTORY(5)!Kyle
has lost to every bottom dweller in the MWC at least once.Bronco is
undefeated against Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, and UNLV.Utah has never won a national championship, had a Heisman Trophy winner, had a
national individual award winner, or had a single player inducted into the
college football hall of fame.In other words, except for a couple of
BCS wins, Utah's football history is bereft of any significant accomplishments
on a national level.
CG - You're right, BYU is the greatest. Great job with all those
stats, that's really nice.I just can't figure out why no one else cares,
You mean nobody wants BYU. Thaty's why your gonna go Indy and lose 4-5 games a
Lots of meaningless BYU/Utah rhetoric on here, but sticking to the topic... now
that the SEC has opted to WAIT on expansion, either the PAC 12 will not expand
at all, or Larry Scott could make another push for the Texas, Texas Tech,
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State quartet and possibly beat the Big 10 to some of these
teams in what seems an inevitable move towards 16 team conferences. Meanwhile,
the Big 12 (10 teams at this time) would be wise to try and survive by adding at
least two teams and getting a playoff. I think a move to 16 by the Big 12 would
be interesting, beat the others to the punch, and add attractive teams and
markets like BYU, Boise State, San Diego State, UNLV, Air Force and find a way
to pull TCU out of the Big East or possibly Memphis. Yeah, it would probably
still get poached by other conferences and collapse eventually, but might be
worth the shot.
motorbikeNobody said BYU is the greatest, but the facts do show that
BYU has accomplished significantly more on a national scale than Utah; in fact,
it's not even close or debatable.crowntown1"You
mean nobody wants BYU."BYU games on ESPN - 10Utah games
on ESPN - 1 (courtesy of BYU)Check mirror for the team that nobody
wanted when ABC/ESPN were filling out their PAC 12 television schedule.
Snack PAC -"BYU games on ESPN - 10Utah games on ESPN - 1
(courtesy of BYU)"Okay, okay, okay... you win! Just please quit
hitting me so hard with your wonderful TV arrangement, it just hurts too bad.I love how you always fall back to this. Do you have any thing else to
say? And do you realize Ute fans just laugh every time you go to this card? If it makes you happy I'll speak for all Ute fans and concede that
you've got a better TV arrangement...THIS YEAR. Enjoy it, brag about, have fun
with it. Then come back and try to comment on it every day, as you've been
doing, for the next 10 years when Utah's arrangement makes BYUs look absolutely
silly.You go girl!
CGYeah, most people could care less about your weird stats. In the
last 5 years, Utah has been in the polls for most of every season, save 07, so I
don't really understand why BYU fans gloat about Top 25 "finishes" so
much. If you want to talk about finishing seasons the right way, I would maybe
compare bowl records or something?Also, I don't quite understand why its
cool to be undefeated against bottom dwellers. I don't want to bring up weird
stats like you, but im pretty sure Whit has a better record against TCU than
Bronco does. That's really the only old MWC opponent I can think of that has had
some measure of success besides you guys. As far as the rest of your stats
go (I.E. national championship, Heisman winner, etc.), How long has it been
since BYU has had any of that? You're just proving my point even more.BCS
wins ARE success on the national level. Not those top 25 finishes you're so
The Corvallis article had little to say about Wynn that has not been beaten to a
pulp here at the DN, so don't waste your time. The link about the Utes needing
to prove they "belong" didn't carry much new material either, but it
was a good read.The Pac-12 wanted to expand to 16, so there is no
reason to believe they may not continue to try. BYU certainly has the tradition,
but the religious factor makes them a no. Oklahoma, defecting from UT, would be
nice. "When the four super conferences are created, they'll
take the cream of the crop...and jettison the flotsom. Programs like Indiana,
Baylor, Iowa State, Washington State, Utah, and Colorado will be left on the
outside..."---MUSSing with U All other predictions aside,
I must question your knowledge of the Big-Ten and its traditions if you think
they'll discard the Hoosiers anytime soon. Remind me of the last time that
league dropped a team..."...the facts do show that BYU has
accomplished significantly more on a nationalon a national scale than Utah; in
fact, it's not even close or debatable.---Snack PAC People
debate that 24/7 on here.