Did you say BYU and Narional power in the same sentence. Okay you must be
delusional if you think playing in the Vegas bowl or New Mexico qualifies you
that. BYU fans are in denial because they, like their religon cannot be wrong
EVER and when you call them out on it they get really defensive. Try to disagree
with a BYU fan at a game or something and he will pull all these stats out of
the sky and try to convince you BYU is awww so amazing. BORING!
Now, as a member of the Pac 12... I don't want to see any more expansion in our
conference.I certainly don't want to add high powers like Texas,
Oklahoma and OK State simply because it will make Utah's job so much harder.
It's gonna be hard enough to beat the current Pac 12 on a consistent basis.
Imagine if we also had to get by Texas, Okla and OK State? No
thanks. It may sound like a good move, but it would harm the Utah
program. The ONLY benefit it would bring is more money. And while that would be
good for the Utes, it wouldn't make up for the significantly higher mountain
Utah would have to climb every season. Particularly because if OK
State, Okla or Texas joined the Pac 12, they would almost certainly be placed in
the same division as Utah.
Portland Trail Blazers | 11:51 a.m. Aug. 12, 2011 Sandy, UTHedgie,Oklahoma goes where Texas goes."--------------------I don't think so.Oklahoma and UT
are not joined at the hip, no matter how much it looks that way. In fact, there
are factions in the Oklahoma program that are actually wanting to cut ties with
Texas.Texas has gotten too big for its own good. They call ALL the
shots in the Big XII and the remaining 11 schools are getting sick of letting
Texas drive the bus. Why do you think A&M has a renewed interest in the SEC?
They're all sick of Texas this, Texas that.Oklahoma, a very very
good program, is always stuck in Texas' shadow. They want to be the focus of
attention and it won't happen as long as they're in the same conference as
UT.Splitting Okla/Okla State? Definitely no. But splitting
Okla/Texas? I bet it happens sooner or later.
Uteanymous, interesting name. Obsessed much you are; your name says it all.
SoCalUtahFan1) BYU: Perennial Top 25 Team2) Utah: Flash in the
Pan1) BYU: 3 Top 15 finishes in the last 5 years2) Utah: 1 Top
15 finish in the last 5 years1) Bronco: 2 MWC championships2)
Kyle: 1 MWC championship1) BYU: Almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in
the last 5 years (4)2) Utah: As Utah has in its entire history (5)Even in a relatively quiet period for BYU, Utah can't keep up.Utah fans may brag about the presense, butBYU fans can brag about
the past and present.The ONLY reason Utah fans don't like to talk
about the past is because the Utes have no past worth talking about.GO COUGARS!
anti BCS...Today, the teams are much different:1) BYU:
mid-major2) Utah: BCS caliber3) BYU: struggling to make it to
a BCS bowl4) Utah: won 2 BCS bowl games already5) BYU fans:
have to look back to 1984....6) Utah fans: brags about the presence....What a different a few decades make.GO Utes!!!
Duckhunter -"Did that make you feel smart? Did it make you feel
superior? Understand that stupidity is seldom recognized by those that are
propagating the stupidity."If that wasn't the pot calling the
kettle black I don't know what is. Go back and read that entire comment of yours
and then sit down and think about it for a minute.
@alpha chicken"BYU doesn't need to grovel to become a mediocre
team in a mediocre conference, they have been that for years. They are now
groveling to be a mediocre team in independence"Did that make
you feel smart? Did it make you feel superior? Understand that stupidity is
seldom recognized by those that are propagating the stupidity. They do it
because they are motivated by how saying something makes them feel rather than
how saying something actually makes them appear to others.
Coug fans commenting here are in serious denial. BYU officials have
flat out said they'd still like to join a BCS Conference so I'm not sure why
Utah fans need to help you understand this. And ask Holmoe and Bronco how much
they enjoy working on that schedule? Both said it's been difficult...meaning
expect schedules like this year which won't translate into a meaningful end of
season game.As for saying Utah will be like Arizona and never have a
chance at anything in such a tough conference? That perfectly sums up the BYU
mentality. Utah would sooner EARN their success versus having the most disputed
national championship in history. If we win, awesome. If we lose, at least it's
to great competition...no shame in that. Ask Arizona if they have any regrets
joining the Pac 10. Keep in mind, Bronco's goal is a National
Championship. Good luck with that in your current situation.And
accomplishments you've been listing were not only in the last century but were
99% against weak competition. Very little respect outside the region for those
accomplishments. Time to put on your big boy britches and move past
your YMCA trophies.
Pac 12 option for Texas is possible...but not likely. The definate preference
is to remain in the Big XII.
To Anti BCS:Is that all you have? History starts when you say it
does? Those things happened so long ago. Jealousy is such a lonely
Texas already turned the PAC down. Don't u remember, that's the only way u got
Alpha ChickenI rest my case.
"You are right in that BYU doesn't need to grovel to become a mediocre team
in a mediocre conference, they have been that for years"BYU =
National Power/Legacy Program17 AP Top 25 Finishes in the last 34 years
(50%)23 Conference Championships in the last 46 years (50%)15
National Individual Award Winners7 National College Football Hall of Fame
Inductees (6 players)1 Heisman Trophy Winner1 National
ChampionshipUtah - Mediocre Team5 AP Top 25 Finishes
lifetime6 Conference Championships in the last 60 years (10%)0
National Individual Award Winners1 National College Football Hall of Fame
Inductee (no players)0 Heisman Trophy Winners0 National
ChampionshipsCall us when U accomplish something worthwhile.By the way, being invited to a conference just so that conference will
have enough teams to hold a conference championship game, isn't an
My oh my, the usual suspect Y fans are out in force tonight. The spin out of
some Y fans is the most hilarious of any fan base I have ever been around. Post
Hoc after no invite, "we didn't want to be in a BCS conference
anyway." Really, that's funny as I grew up in Utah and all I heard from Y
fans was that the PAC 10 was going to be calling any day and Utah would be left
behind. I guess if things have changed and BYU fans are happier being a mid
major independent (I doubt it) more power to them. With regards to
raiding the best of the Big XII and adding them to the PAC 12 that would be one
awesome conference, I dare up there with the SEC. Go Utes, Go Cougars and too
certain Y fans always dogging on Utah, go get a life.
gchris, You are right in that BYU doesn't need to grovel to become a mediocre
team in a mediocre conference, they have been that for years. They are now
groveling to be a mediocre team in independence. Good for them. As far as BYU
not wanting a BCS affiliation, well about that you are sadly mistaken. They will
NEED it if they think they will ever see a National Title game. See how far
going undefeated has gotten Utah, Hawaii, TCU, and Boise State in recent
history. BSU has been the winningest program in CFB and how many times have they
played in the National Title game? Zero. Thats called a glass ceiling. So be
happy with your independence. Utah is happy with their Pac 12 membership. It
will all work out in the end.
Utah fans: It's a tough concept to get your mind around, but what if BYU really
doesn't want to belong to ANY BcS conference? What if going to a BcS bowl
really ISN'T that important? What if they really are more interested in
national exposure, playing coast to coast and border to border with a variety of
outstanding football programs and not being tied to annual obligatory games with
inferior opponents who just happen to be in the same conference. I know, Iknow,
they play some WAC opponents this year but that is just part of growing into
independence. BYU has a much different vision than Utah and it probably doesn't
include groveling to become accepted as a mediocre team in a mediocre
Hey Ute hater,I give BYU credit for their National Championship, its a big
deal. I also give Utah credit for something BYU doesn't have, and thats an
undefeated season in which they played against teams that finished the season
ranked in the top 25. Utah actually has two seasons like that, and they were
even in this century! Yeah, awesome huh?
Utahhaterforlife,Nope, Utah doesn't have a National Championship,
but BYU does!!!!!! Go COUGS!Shhh.. dont tell ute fans that 2 BCS
wins arent a national championship, cuz as of right now, they think they
Texas will not join the Pac 10.2 you can count on it. There are hundreds of
scenarios in play and I would put that one near the bottom.
Oh how BYU has something Utah doesn't, oh wait its something in my ear, oh yeah
it is the National Championship, that trophy looks really nice in the display
case, does Utah have any?
@truth machineYeah, i would be pretty happy if my team won a
Conference title and went to a BCS game. I've had that feeling before (twice
actually), and it made me pretty darn proud.
Truth MachineAnd the officials that were suspended for one game were
suspended why? Because of a BLOWN CALL. Additionally the MWC made a new
rule after that to insure that no school employees could be involved in the
replay booth so that there would never be any question about that like there was
with the BYU/SDSU game.
Mount Olympus "At least the Utes would still technically have a
chance. They'd have more of a chance at winning their conference than a team
that doesn't even belong to a conference."Lloyd: You mean, not
good like one out of a hundred? Mary: I'd say more like one out of a
million. [pause] Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance.
...good luck on that "chance"btw, how has that
"chance" worked out for Arizona, Vanderbilt, Indiana, and Baylor?
If Texas and OU join the PAC 12, Ute fans have a lifetime of mediorcity to look
forward to. You wil NEVER get out ahead of the pack in that kind of conference.
Swoop | 4:24 p.m. Aug. 12, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Unlike you
Swoop, I would hope that both BYU and Utah find themselves in a position to play
the best competition. Though their records may suffer some and the
championships won't be as many, the games for both would sure be more
interesting. BYU slaughtering all those WAC teams in Provo this fall isn't what
that program deserves.Both schools should be in BCS conferences
where they are challenged and where they have a chance of a BCS birth without
having to win every game.
Re: Utah's chances of ever winning the PAC X title would be non-existent if the
Utes had to get past Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, USC, Oregon and Stanford.
At least the Utes would still technically have a chance. They'd
have more of a chance at winning their conference than a team that doesn't even
belong to a conference.
Alpha ChickenAll three replay officials in the blown call in the
SDSU-BYU game were suspended for one game; NOBODY was canned, despite the
constant stream of misinformation we get from the hill.ClassyUte "Utah can go 8-3 (regular season) this year, win the pac-12
championship game, and they are in."And that's something you
would beat your chest about being a great accomplishment?More BcS.
PAC 12 should invite Texas and dump Utah. There are more TV sets in Texas than
1/2 of Salt Lake City and after the Utes flounder in the Pac 12 they could come
back home to the MWC and try and defeat Boise State consistently. If they want Oklahoma, drop Colorado, where all the fans are into NFL
foorball, not college and the Buffalos. Maybe Colorado and Utah could join the
MWC, along with Utah State and then Air Force wouldn't be tempted to leave like
TCU left.Oh my, the landscape is changing because the richter scale
is bouncing again.What about it hedgie---could the Utes handle being
dropped back into the MWC if they became an AQ Conference? That would enhance
their chances of winning the conference, no doubt, except for BSU, maybe.
Pac 16 West...Stanford?Cal?
"Pac 12 after Texas and Oklahoma....... and the rich get
richer."And the poor get poorer.Utah's chances of
ever winning the PAC X title would be non-existent if the Utes had to get past
Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, USC, Oregon and Stanford.
The NCAA banned high school football on college networks, so perhaps the
Longhorns aren't as excited about dumping money into a network. Or they could
make some coin showing UT cheerleader highlights...
@gchrisDude, BYU, as well as every other non-AQ school would jump at
any opportunity to join a BCS conference. Sure BYU now has all of the goodies
that now come with independence, but they still have to go undefeated to get a
whif at a BCS game. Utah can go 8-3 (regular season) this year, win the pac-12
championship game, and they are in. If they were to go undefeated, it would be
national title game. You can't tell me Bronco wouldn't rather be in that
Gchris. Not only were you mistaken about the "blocked punt" but you
are also mistaken about the blown call. That was actually in the BYU vs. SDSU
game. Remember, in that one, all of the officials were reprimanded and the BYU
dude in the booth got canned because of the BLOWN CALL. But yes, you are correct
about "how soon we forget". Bet you really want to forget about that
Pac12 has already explored the possiblity of adding the TLN to their 6 networks
per other articles on cbs. Which Texas would be happy with because in the end
they would get more money with the PAC16 tv deal then on their own. People in Texas are mad that Washington state gets more money then Texas in
the current arragement.The longhorn network would just have to
include texas tech. That would be great for taking Utah's 30 million and putting
up to 40+ million. Then the Pac-16 would add one more for network for Oklahoma
and Oklahoma stateThe rich truly get richer Pac-16
WestUSCUCLAOregonOregon StateWashingtonWashington statePac-16 EastUtah ColoradoTexasTexas TechOklahomaOklahoma StateArizona ASUWould love it and so would each of those teams........Four super
conferences here we come.....
Yep just like we couldn't get a date with Langi right?
re Dutchman: 'Utah wants to put some distance between itself and BYU.'Kind of like the distance between yourself and that next door prospect you
couldn't get a date with and still can't even after you joined the sweater
Texas aint moving nowhere! HOOKEM!!!
So is the 12 pac going to concede Texas' LHN and the right for the university to
broadcast whatever it wants? If Texas joins the 12 pac will the
other members concede that now Texas' wants, wishes and opinions hold
controlling weight for the direction of the conference? Will Oregon, Stanford,
Cal, USC and the rest all accede in matters that ATM would not?What
will not change is Utah's role as the "Rebecca Black" of 12 pac.
If Scott wants to make another run at Texas, I hope he MANDATES the Pac-12's
policy of "equal sharing", and ensures that Texas knows who's running
the show. And that would be the Pac-12; not Texas. Texas had been demonstrated
themselves to be a non-team player primadonna. If Texas wants to be part of the
Pac, then Texas needs to follow the same rules, standards, and conduct as the
rest of us. I think that ideally -- assuming Texas can learn how to
be a team player conference member that is -- I would be in favor of adding
Texas and Oklahoma. Texas Tech would be okay, but that would require another
team to balance out the conference. Just not Oklahoma State or Baylor, and
DEFINITELY not the Y.
Correction: It was a blocked field goal, not a blocked punt. How soon we
@motorbikeIt is quite possible--no, highly likely--that BYU didn't
want to be part of the PAC10, 12, or 16--that they really did and do prefer
independence. As a BYU fan, I don't want my team and my school to be part
of that league. We all know how proud the Utes are for being invited to sit at
what they consider the adult table, but BYU has its own brand and its own
destiny. While BYU would be a better fit with the Big 12, one should also not
assume that they still wouldn't prefer independence. A school with a national
following, its own world class broadcasting capability, big-league athletic
facilities and a truly "storied" sports program will soon prove that
it doesn't need a league affiliation to be highly successful. Ute fans should
enjoy their temporary euphoria over getting a fairly ugly date and a pretty
corsage and hope they get a real rose someday. And, as far as rivalries are
concerned, you are welcome to Colorado. You probably won't need a blown call
and a blocked punt to beat them.
"don't we all wish that a Pac-16 would've included BYU instead of
Colorado?"Not really. For the same reasons Texas A&M wants
to distance itself from Texas by joining another conference even though they
have been long time rivals and are located in the same state, Utah wants to put
some distance between itself and BYU.
Last time around, Texas went to bat for Baylor. I wonder if Texas recieves an
invite to the Pac-12 if thats one of their conditions. If so, that deal should
die. Baylor isn't even good enough to be in the MWC.
Portland Trail Blazers -"Oklahoma goes where Texas
goes."I totally agree...and it will be to the Pac-16. The only
way it doesn't happen is if A&M doesn't take off for the SEC.So
as you told hedgehog, mark it down.
Texas in the PAC-? Hmmmm. Larry Scott stated that as long as UT has their
Longhorn network the discussion is dead. What kind of deal could be
renegotiated with networks with Texas in the mix? Would it be enough to get UT
to drop their own network to be part of the PAC-?
Hedgie,Oklahoma goes where Texas goes.Texas and so will
Oklahoma, will stay in the Big XII.Mark it down, hedgehog!
At this point I don't know how this won't happen. The Pac-16 will be a reality
within the next year but possibly the next month.Almost guaranteed to be
Texas/Texas Tech as a combo and Oklahoma/Oklahoma State as the other.The
benefits far out-weigh the risks for those teams if there even are any risks.
Texas would of course be the only caveat to that statement but if reports that
they don't want to be Independent are true then this thing is all but done if
A&M goes to the SEC.Now seriously though folks, this from a Ute fan,
don't we all wish that a Pac-16 would've included BYU instead of Colorado? It
would've kept the natural conference rivalry alive and both schools would be
part of the greatest conference in the country!
"BYU, Air Force, TCU, Houston, Rice would all be great schools in the BIG
XII."Jail Blazer,How does this help Oklahoma, OK
St. or Texas Tech? I'd think the Oklahoma President would see USC,Oregon,UCLA
and Stanford as a better package and the money isn't even close.Further more, future BIG12 TV contracts would be cut in half based on your
line up.Again, Oklahoma will be looking out for
themselves....heloooo pac 12.
"Texas AD DeLoss Dodds is on record as saying he is against
independence."But I thought independent is such a great thing,
just ask any BYU fan. But what does Texas know right.
I just can't see Texas going to the Pac 12. I think they would try
to give invites to the BIG XII before going to the Pac 12.BYU, Air
Force, TCU, Houston, Rice would all be great schools in the BIG XII.
My guess Texas, OK, Okst, and Texas Tech move to the PAC12.Of course
Dr. Chris Hill would have to vote on such matters seeing that the Utes are
already a memeber of the PAC12. But I'm sure he see's it as a good idea.Oh, it's great to be a UTE!!
Pac 12 after Texas and Oklahoma....... and the rich get richer.