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FLDS haven't lost faith in Warren Jeffs even though they likely will never see him again

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  • CTguy30 Colchester, CT
    Aug. 11, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    I've read much on the topic of religion, it's followers, etc. One person attacking another for their beliefs or unbeliefs. Logic and studies show that religious people tend to be happier, whether their beliefs can satisfy antagonists demand for proof or not, religious folk tend to be happier. Facts of the Jeffs case...he illegally coerced underage girls to have sex with him; the girls were stripped of that which was most precious. According to our laws, the girls were uncapable of making such decisions. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT to exercise that type of control over another...especially in religion.
    Faith, blind faith, whatever you want to call it works. Those who use it for selfish means deny everything that faith stands for. Antagonists will always have their arguments, and use flattery and what they believe is "logic", but it always seems so imcomplete and always changes...maybe that's why "followers" like religion so much - they feel complete...Happy. Who are you to tell them that their happiness is poppycock?

  • Spot Light Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 11, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    John Packer

    "People are allowed to throw all sorts of lies against them."

    Read the news, not only were the accusations correct,there was far more than anyone imagined.

    Its apparent you are just another apologist - yeah the Crick is full of them, huh?

    Well these are the facts, Jack. Perhaps victims are easier to find and interview, as compared to the perpetrators who continue to victimize people.

    Lyle Jeffs wont give any interviews, Warren wouldnt either. EVER

  • zer28 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    to John Pack Lambert of Michigan:

    "I was expecting it to contain some actual discussion with real FLDS people...I was expecting some real reporting instead of parroting the words of hate mongers."

    A couple of assumptions that you're making.

    #1 - you're assuming that someone from the FLDS Church would actually speak w/ someone from the DesNews, or any other media outlet.

    #2 - you're assuming that someone from the DesNews didn't try.

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    @ John Pack Lambert:

    Just in the interest of clarity and open discussion, are you a member of the FLDS?

    Your points are valid, but they seem hypocritically biased if you are a member.

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    When a person is intentionally isolated from society, then subjected to a barrage of certain behaviors and beliefs, practices,and prohibited from any "outside contact" with normal society, over the course of their childhood, it is incredibly difficult for them to be de-programmed.
    So we see the same clinging to their beliefs that this pedophile and sex addict is a "prophet". While he's no prophet in the ecclesiastical sense, he does preach a religion of sexual misconduct that seems to resonate with his members,and that will indeed be very hard for them to separate themselves from. Warren Jeffs behavior is their "normal".

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 11, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    @VocalLocal

    "Amazing. This man has given a jailhouse confession that he is not a prophet and yet people remain loyal to him. Religious belief is resilient. "

    Religious belief is very resilient. Doesn't matter how much logic you through at people, faith is just that ... blind faith. And this isn't just for FLDS, but LDS and others too. There's mountains of evidence against somethings but yet the believers keep on being followers the rest of their life.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 11, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    @VocalLocal

    "Amazing. This man has given a jailhouse confession that he is not a prophet and yet people remain loyal to him. Religious belief is resilient. "

    Religious belief is very resilient. Doesn't matter how much logic you through at people, faith is just that ... blind faith. And this isn't just for FLDS, but LDS and others too. There's mountains of evidence against somethings but yet the believers keep on being followers the rest of their life.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    Aug. 11, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    This type of behavior happens indirectly all the time in certain parts of the country. It's all about control and abuse.

  • wesw Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Would be interesting if Jeffs and Brian David Mitchell, another 'prophet,' were to share the same prison cell. Like putting two bumblebees in a box.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    These comment denials are rather annoying. Warren Jeff's followers haven't lost faith just like Joseph Smith's followers haven't. Despite all that's bad, wrong, false, and illogical ... followers will always be followers.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Should be interesting to see what Canadian authorities will add to the mix. Trafficking young girls back and forth across the border.......
    Watch out!
    Those Mounties are fierce!

  • Hubble65 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    Is he in isolation or in the general population? If he is in the general population, Jeffs is in for a very hard time. I wonder if he has been given a work detail? He'll be vulnerable during the work detail and I am sure he will be taken advantage of. He has entered a completely new world, where the structure of our or even his society doesn't exist. I honestly doubt he survives it.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    By jailing the man they have only made him a martyr. Locking him up in an asylum with no outside contact would have been a better bet.

  • Bro.D Cornelius, Oregon
    Aug. 11, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    I feel sorry for the FLDS faithful....I put myself in their shoes....raised to believe in pretty much the same thing as I do with a number of twisted doctrines including polygamy. Their "Prophet" is arresterd and convicted.....who wouldn't be standing by him....They've been led to believe he was the Prophet. If they believe their church to be true then how could their "Prophet" be false? Tough times ahead for them. Perhaps we need to send in a large missionary force....these folks need the real truth.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    The FLDS should band together and excommunicate him.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    @JackPackLambert

    The real question is this...

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, Copyrighted their name in 1838.

    How does this group of Polygamists, assume the LDS name, add one word "Fundamentalist" and get away with it?

    If I start a Hamburger joint tomorrow and call it "Down Under" McDonalds or "Rocky Mountain" McDonalds, do I get away with it?

    Or maybe, "The Outstanding" Home Depot? Or "My" Office Max?

    We all know their Corporate Lawyers would shut this down, yesterday!

    I remember a group doing just that with McDonalds and were shut down from using just a similar name.

    Why does the LDS Chruch not protect their Brand, and go after this group for Copyright Infringement? They've only been using it since 1983.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Aug. 11, 2011 6:34 a.m.

    This is so sad. These people have been controlled for so many generations now, they don't know where to turn. I hope there can be some sort of realization and they can get out of denial. Jeff confessed, on tape, that he is not a prophet and he never was. He also admits that he is a wicked man. This was NOT coerced.

    This is the sort of individual the scriptures warn us about when exhorting us to beware of false prophets.

  • Spot Light Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 11, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    John Packer

    "People are allowed to throw all sorts of lies against them."

    Read the news, not only were the accusations correct,there was far more than anyone imagined.

    Its apparent you are just another apologist - yeah the Crick is full of them, huh?

    Well these are the facts, Jack. Perhaps victims are easier to find and interview, as compared to the perpetrators who continue to victimize people.

    Lyle Jeffs wont give any interviews, Warren wouldnt either. EVER

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    I am very disappointed in this article. I was expecting it to contain some actual discussion with real FLDS people. Instead it talks with three FLDS apostates, two of whom have built huge money-grubbing systems out of claiming things like their being married to a man who was 19 when they were 16 made the person who performed the marriage an accomplice to rape.

    I was expecting some real reporting instead of parroting the words of hate mongers.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    Jessop has bought the lies of the anti-cult movement which are constantly used to attack The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Scientology and other legitimate religions.

    To begin with "mind control" is in almost all cases just hogwash. "brain washing" is a discredited theory which has largely been used to justify the real violation of rights inherent in the kidnapping involved deprogramming movement. The notion of "generations of mind control" is even more hogwash.

    It is sad that the DN stokes the flames of bigotry fanned by people like Jessop. At heart her argument is that some life goals are not worth it, but this has not really been adequately explored. A one-ssided, money grubbing view of the FLDS is all we get. People are allowed to throw all sorts of lies against them.

    Texas has only achieved its goals by ignoring the 4th admendment and trampling on all rights of the accused. They never had probable cause to go into YFZ because the call was a total lie. They were confronted with enough evidence as they headed in that anyone with any sense of respect for the constitution would have stopped.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Aug. 10, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    It is high time that the Deseret News started calling them the FLDS Church. Calling them the Fundamentalist LDS Church makes it look like Fundamentalist is functioning as an adjective, when it is an integral part of the name.

    I think it is also time for the DN to consider that it does not build reports about the LDS Church around what money grubbing apostates say, and to ask itself why it does so for reports on the FLDS Church. If they are going to use Carolyn Jessop as a source on the FLDS Church they should use Ed Decker as a source on the LDS Church.

    It is also high time for the DN to realize that arresting polygamists is the duty and sole role of government, and that they should show the same respect for the FLDS Church and its followers that they show for members of other religions. Of course I also think they could do better in running stories on the Roman Catholic Church, such as not taking the one-sided attack pieces the AP produces against the Vatican.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    nice photo!

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    I guess you could call it religious belief or something else. I mean Charles Manson had his followers that were loyal to him to the end. This kind of zealotry and suspension of disbelief is dangerous, not necessarily religious.

  • VocalLocal Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 7:41 p.m.

    Amazing. This man has given a jailhouse confession that he is not a prophet and yet people remain loyal to him. Religious belief is resilient.