I've read much on the topic of religion, it's followers, etc. One person
attacking another for their beliefs or unbeliefs. Logic and studies show that
religious people tend to be happier, whether their beliefs can satisfy
antagonists demand for proof or not, religious folk tend to be happier. Facts of
the Jeffs case...he illegally coerced underage girls to have sex with him; the
girls were stripped of that which was most precious. According to our laws, the
girls were uncapable of making such decisions. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT to exercise
that type of control over another...especially in religion. Faith, blind
faith, whatever you want to call it works. Those who use it for selfish means
deny everything that faith stands for. Antagonists will always have their
arguments, and use flattery and what they believe is "logic", but it
always seems so imcomplete and always changes...maybe that's why
"followers" like religion so much - they feel complete...Happy. Who
are you to tell them that their happiness is poppycock?
John Packer"People are allowed to throw all sorts of lies
against them."Read the news, not only were the accusations
correct,there was far more than anyone imagined.Its apparent you are
just another apologist - yeah the Crick is full of them, huh? Well these are the facts, Jack. Perhaps victims are easier to find and
interview, as compared to the perpetrators who continue to victimize people.Lyle Jeffs wont give any interviews, Warren wouldnt either. EVER
to John Pack Lambert of Michigan:"I was expecting it to contain
some actual discussion with real FLDS people...I was expecting some real
reporting instead of parroting the words of hate mongers."A
couple of assumptions that you're making. #1 - you're assuming that
someone from the FLDS Church would actually speak w/ someone from the DesNews,
or any other media outlet.#2 - you're assuming that someone from the
DesNews didn't try.
@ John Pack Lambert:Just in the interest of clarity and open
discussion, are you a member of the FLDS?Your points are valid, but
they seem hypocritically biased if you are a member.
When a person is intentionally isolated from society, then subjected to a
barrage of certain behaviors and beliefs, practices,and prohibited from any
"outside contact" with normal society, over the course of their
childhood, it is incredibly difficult for them to be de-programmed.So we
see the same clinging to their beliefs that this pedophile and sex addict is a
"prophet". While he's no prophet in the ecclesiastical sense, he does
preach a religion of sexual misconduct that seems to resonate with his
members,and that will indeed be very hard for them to separate themselves from.
Warren Jeffs behavior is their "normal".
@VocalLocal"Amazing. This man has given a jailhouse confession
that he is not a prophet and yet people remain loyal to him. Religious belief is
resilient. "Religious belief is very resilient. Doesn't matter
how much logic you through at people, faith is just that ... blind faith. And
this isn't just for FLDS, but LDS and others too. There's mountains of evidence
against somethings but yet the believers keep on being followers the rest of
This type of behavior happens indirectly all the time in certain parts of the
country. It's all about control and abuse.
Would be interesting if Jeffs and Brian David Mitchell, another 'prophet,' were
to share the same prison cell. Like putting two bumblebees in a box.
These comment denials are rather annoying. Warren Jeff's followers haven't lost
faith just like Joseph Smith's followers haven't. Despite all that's bad,
wrong, false, and illogical ... followers will always be followers.
Should be interesting to see what Canadian authorities will add to the mix.
Trafficking young girls back and forth across the border.......Watch
out!Those Mounties are fierce!
Is he in isolation or in the general population? If he is in the general
population, Jeffs is in for a very hard time. I wonder if he has been given a
work detail? He'll be vulnerable during the work detail and I am sure he will be
taken advantage of. He has entered a completely new world, where the structure
of our or even his society doesn't exist. I honestly doubt he survives it.
By jailing the man they have only made him a martyr. Locking him up in an asylum
with no outside contact would have been a better bet.
I feel sorry for the FLDS faithful....I put myself in their shoes....raised to
believe in pretty much the same thing as I do with a number of twisted doctrines
including polygamy. Their "Prophet" is arresterd and convicted.....who
wouldn't be standing by him....They've been led to believe he was the Prophet.
If they believe their church to be true then how could their "Prophet"
be false? Tough times ahead for them. Perhaps we need to send in a large
missionary force....these folks need the real truth.
The FLDS should band together and excommunicate him.
@JackPackLambertThe real question is this...The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, Copyrighted their name in 1838.How does this group of Polygamists, assume the LDS name, add one word
"Fundamentalist" and get away with it?If I start a
Hamburger joint tomorrow and call it "Down Under" McDonalds or
"Rocky Mountain" McDonalds, do I get away with it?Or
maybe, "The Outstanding" Home Depot? Or "My" Office Max?We all know their Corporate Lawyers would shut this down, yesterday!I remember a group doing just that with McDonalds and were shut down
from using just a similar name.Why does the LDS Chruch not protect
their Brand, and go after this group for Copyright Infringement? They've only
been using it since 1983.
This is so sad. These people have been controlled for so many generations now,
they don't know where to turn. I hope there can be some sort of realization and
they can get out of denial. Jeff confessed, on tape, that he is not a prophet
and he never was. He also admits that he is a wicked man. This was NOT
coerced. This is the sort of individual the scriptures warn us
about when exhorting us to beware of false prophets.
I am very disappointed in this article. I was expecting it to contain some
actual discussion with real FLDS people. Instead it talks with three FLDS
apostates, two of whom have built huge money-grubbing systems out of claiming
things like their being married to a man who was 19 when they were 16 made the
person who performed the marriage an accomplice to rape. I was
expecting some real reporting instead of parroting the words of hate mongers.
Jessop has bought the lies of the anti-cult movement which are constantly used
to attack The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Scientology and other
legitimate religions.To begin with "mind control" is in
almost all cases just hogwash. "brain washing" is a discredited
theory which has largely been used to justify the real violation of rights
inherent in the kidnapping involved deprogramming movement. The notion of
"generations of mind control" is even more hogwash.It is
sad that the DN stokes the flames of bigotry fanned by people like Jessop. At
heart her argument is that some life goals are not worth it, but this has not
really been adequately explored. A one-ssided, money grubbing view of the FLDS
is all we get. People are allowed to throw all sorts of lies against them.Texas has only achieved its goals by ignoring the 4th admendment and
trampling on all rights of the accused. They never had probable cause to go
into YFZ because the call was a total lie. They were confronted with enough
evidence as they headed in that anyone with any sense of respect for the
constitution would have stopped.
It is high time that the Deseret News started calling them the FLDS Church.
Calling them the Fundamentalist LDS Church makes it look like Fundamentalist is
functioning as an adjective, when it is an integral part of the name. I think it is also time for the DN to consider that it does not build
reports about the LDS Church around what money grubbing apostates say, and to
ask itself why it does so for reports on the FLDS Church. If they are going to
use Carolyn Jessop as a source on the FLDS Church they should use Ed Decker as a
source on the LDS Church.It is also high time for the DN to realize
that arresting polygamists is the duty and sole role of government, and that
they should show the same respect for the FLDS Church and its followers that
they show for members of other religions. Of course I also think they could do
better in running stories on the Roman Catholic Church, such as not taking the
one-sided attack pieces the AP produces against the Vatican.
I guess you could call it religious belief or something else. I mean Charles
Manson had his followers that were loyal to him to the end. This kind of
zealotry and suspension of disbelief is dangerous, not necessarily religious.
Amazing. This man has given a jailhouse confession that he is not a prophet and
yet people remain loyal to him. Religious belief is resilient.