Players find many personal reasons to choose one school over another. Hinds
clearly felt BYU was a better fit than the others for him. You win some, you
lose some. He seems like a good and talented kid I hope he finds what he looking
for and does well..
@Byron BelkaI have Brett Keisel and Ryan Denney on the phone and
they want to have a few words with you about NFL d lineman.
@Thlete,I agree......BYU fans are hooligans, well stated.
riddlemethis,The Utah Provo Mission is one of the highest baptizing
missions in the churchNot to divert the subject or get too technical
but what are the boundaries of the Utah Provo Mission? Doesn't it extend into
Southern Utah? I am talking about the opportunity to convert kids on campus. If
BYU's student body is 99% LDS then where do all these coverts come from that you
claim are available at BYU? AlpineCoug,I am a fairly old
guy too and by my observation most BYU fans do not cheer for Utah to win any
games. My stake has many BYU fans that would never set foot on the U of U campus
unless they had a medical emergency and had to be treated at the U hospital.
Once these BYU fans are called to serve in one of the singles wards near campus
they come back and report how much they love the U and the students they
associate with. Hinds made a decision that feels right to him. BYU fans need to
stop thinking he chose the celestial kingdom over the telestial kingdom.
@Alpine Coug,As easy as it may be to blame the rivalry vitriol on
those outside your Utah County bubble, take it from an LDS Ute fan that's been
to several BYU-Utah games in Provo - it goes both ways. BYU fans complain of
beer throwing (I've never seen it, but I know of many obnoxious Ute fans), but I
have seen hot dogs and soda showered on Ute fans at LES. My parents were booed
in Princess-Bride-witch fashion as they quietly exited after the 1993 game.
Plenty of examples on both sides of ugliness. There's good and bad on each
side, and nobody can proclaim it "one-sided" fairly.That
said, why did I buy tickets to the game Sept 17 again? Oh yeah, I love
football, I love my Utes and I'm willing to endure the hooligans to watch a
great game live.
@ DutchmanFind it most interesting that very, very few BYU fans ever
call Utah "evil" or sinful, while there are many Ute fans that delight
in calling BYU by almost every name imaginable-not many of them good.Like the overwhelming majority of BYU fans, I actually root for Utah in every
game in every sport with one exception-when they are playing my Cougars.
Although I am not certain, I do not believe that the inverse is true as it seems
that most (ok this is not scientific) Utah fans seem to openly root against the
Cougars and cheer for whoever is playing against them. Just an
observation from an old guy in Utah county, but I do not believe that most of
the vitriol spewing from the Holy War originates from Cougar fans. The hatred
seems much more one-sided that you indicate.
Dutchman | 1:09 p.m. Aug. 11, 2011 Murray, UTOne thing BYU can't
offer is the chance to do a lot of missionary work among the other students on
campus since everyone at BYU is already converted, right?Wrong. The
Utah Provo Mission is one of the highest baptizing missions in the church. So a football player is exited to go to BYU because of what BYU offers
both on and off the field, Y fans are exited about it too, and you have
extrapolated that to mean people are calling Utah sinful and evil?
@RBN" Go ask everyone in your ward who they would prefer to
have as a D Coordinator. If they are in the Bishop's office, I guarantee you
that 80% of them would prefer Kyle over Bronco."I doubt it very
much. Most people wouldn't care at all which one of them was running the
defense, I wouldn't. Most people simply care whether or not the defense is any
good not who is the one running it. Also where does this "guru" label
for Whittingham come from? There is no doubt Whittingham is a fine coach and
good defensive mind but "guru"? Come one. That sort of over the top
hyperbole is what utah "fans" are always accusing BYU fans of yet utah
"fans" seem to engage in it at least as much, if not more, than BYU
fans ever do. LOL!
One thing BYU can't offer is the chance to do a lot of missionary work among the
other students on campus since everyone at BYU is already converted, right?My son attends a singles ward that meets just off campus at the U of U.
His bishop is Thomas Monson, Jr. My son reports that they have convert baptisms
in that ward nearly every week. But that evil, sinful Utah just
can't measure up to BYU.
WhatsInItForMe Nice try? You want to use one head to head game as
your evidence? You want to exclude the Jaime Hill years? Does we get to pick
and choose which years not to include in defensive performance? Kyle is a
defensive guru. Bronco is a good defensive coach and good motivator. Go ask
everyone in your ward who they would prefer to have as a D Coordinator. If they
are in the Bishop's office, I guarantee you that 80% of them would prefer Kyle
over Bronco.Tossing around silly comments like that just hurts the
credibility of BYU fans.
Glad to have this player on board. It is funny, it seems people are asking him
or trying to find a reason why he would commit (rivals of course, not fans). The
fact that BYU has a great football program doesn't even come to their mind.The truth has really got to be hard to swallow for some people.
@ utes by5@ RPNHey, wait just a minute now! I am totally
baffled as this type of four-star + stud player was never supposed to commit to
lowly BYU since the TUN had joined a BCS AQ conference. Totally assumed that
Hinds would cast his lot with the mighty PAC-10+2 Utes over the Cougars or Notre
Dame or Nebraska. No doubt that poor Troy must have been confused.
utah by5 | 8:37 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011"Wow, I can't believe anyone
would go to the UofU. Don't all the recruits that sign with the U know that BYU
has so much more to offer."Obviously the top recruits are
coming to that same conclusion. I'm sure more and more will figure it out as the
Welcome to BYU Troy. The fact remains that you had a lot of other offers, from
some of the top programs in the country, and you chose BYU. Notwithstanding the
reasons, thank you for coming to Provo. When the dust kicked up by doubters has
diminished and the last drop of juice is pressed from sour grapes, you will be
playing for a great program, making it better and realizing all of the other
important personal goals you have set for yourself. I will love to watch you
play football for sure. We are very fortunate to have you.
TrueBlue,Exactly, Edwards was a legend, and Bronco looks solid, but
HE only agreed to an extension through 2013. Doman is a nice guy, but so was
Crowton. Many times a player commits with the expectation that a certain, proven
guy will be head coach. My point was that some coaches are on a different level
than others, and even having the top talent does not change that... look at
Notre Dame, recruiting classes close to the top nationally every year, but 1988
was their last championship, with the great coach, Lou Holtz.
@ RBN, 9:33pm Aug 10, (& Captain Sweatpants' reply),You eluded
to the "fact" that Utah's defensive stats over the past several years
are better than BYU's, using that to mean Kyle's the better defensive coach than
Bronco.Nice illusion, but totally innacurate. You compared apples to
oranges.First of all, until Hill was dumped in midseason last year,
Bronco hasn't coached BYU's defense for years, so you can't compare BYU's
defensive stats and Utah's and conclude Kyle is the better defensive coach than
Bronco.Secondly, in comparing Bronco's defensive stats from when he
took over last year to Kyle's for the same final number of games, Bronco WAY
outshines Kyle.In fact, in the head-to-head meeting last year, most
all stats were nearly identical, showing neither coach had the upper hand in
defensive coaching ability, AND that was AT Utah's place, where there's supposed
to be an advantage.Even as close as the stats were, BYU had 19 first
downs vs Utah's 14; BYU was 6 of 15 in third down conversions, while Utah was 4
of 15. Considering it was at the Utes' place, Bronco's advantage!Nice try, RBN. But, no go.
Dear zeba,BYU offered Coach Mendenhall a longer contract. There's a
story a few weeks ago about it. Go read it.
Not a bad catch for your everyday non-AQ, non-money making, nationally
irrelevant, independent, in your rear view mirror program.Hardy ha
ha, ho ho, he he, we got 'im, U didn't!
zeba"Outside of Edwards and Mendenhall, BYU has not been
good"Are you kidding?Edwards was BYU's head coach
from 1972 to 2000 and is in the National College Football Hall of Fame.
Mendenhall has finished in the AP Top 25 four of his six years at BYU and has
had winning records every year. Crowton, as you said had one good year, out of
four.So basically, BYU hasn't had good coaching for 3 of the last 40
years?If Bronco is gone after 2013, that'll be Bronco's choice,
which I doubt will happen. Even so, Doman is one of the rising stars in the
coaching fraternity and will be ready to step in as BYU's next head coach.
Coach Mendenhall has a very successful defensive system, but statistically Coach
Whittingham has a better one.Using yards per game and points per
game as metrics for defense, since 2005 (when Bronco and Coach Whit took over as
head coaches) Utah's defense was better in both categories in years 2005, 2008,
2009, and 2010. BYU's was better in both categories in 2006. BYU was better in
yards per game in 2007, but Utah gave up fewer points in the same year.Statistics indicate that Utah had the better defense in 4 of 5 seasons, and
there was a "tie" in the sixth.From what I've read, Hinds
sounds like he will be a solid player. I wish he had decided to become a Ute,
but I wish him good luck in his future.
Well perfect for Hinds, as he'll come off his mission, be able to find a wife in
three months so he can enjoy what most other kids enjoy while attending college
trying to figure out what they're going to do with the rest of their lives. No
other school offers anything close to what BYU does. The choice was easy. And,
because this fine athlete can be implemented into a defensive scheme
orchestrated by Bronco, who IS probably the best defensive coordinator in all of
football, college or the NFL in my opinion. I do find it very interesting that
Bronco only signed a 3 year extension at BYU. He needs to be making decent $ in
the NFL or for a school that will pay him what he is worth......a lot! The day
that Bronco bails on BYU and isn't calling the defense.....Man O man BYU is
UgottaloveMaxie | 9:35 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 SLC, UTI can't wait til
2016 when he's on the field! Watch out here were come! Gooooooooo Cougars!!
rarrrrrIf he would have committed to the U he would also be stepping
onto the field in 2016. Let me guess if he would have committed to
the U. your post would have read:I can't wait til 2016 when he's on
the field! Watch out here (we) come! da da da da da Go Utes!Give me
No doubt, Hinds has the physical skills to be great, he seems soft in the hard
nosed, tough LB and mental aspect (compared to Poppinga or Morris)... Maybe that
will change... in the 3+ years before he will be a Freshman.Another
interesting thing is that Bronco might be gone before Hinds ever joins the
team... his extension is through 2013. Outside of Edwards and Mendenhall, BYU
has not been good (Crowton had one good year with Edwards recruits).
Not a shock! He's from Utah and he's LDS and so BYU would be the obvious choice.
RBN,I don't know man... Hinds is the top recruit coming out of Utah,
I think he would know that Bronco is better than Kylie Willingham when it comes
I can't wait til 2016 when he's on the field! Watch out here were come!
Gooooooooo Cougars!! rarrrrr
Good luck to the young man. I think every kid needs to find the school that
fits his standards, ideals, personality, etc.... even if he doesn't play for my
Utes.Now, I do have some nitpicking. "Coach Mendenhall is one
of the best, maybe the best defensive mind in the country," said Hinds.
I've got to disagree. The numbers don't bear that out. I think Troy was
actually talking about another coach up the road in SLC, Coach Whit. The
numbers do tell the tale about Coach Whit's abilities.
Hinds is an absolute stud!Utah just isn't as good as BYU, on all
levels. Go Cougars!
Congratulations Troy! Those are all great reasons to commit to BYU.
Wow, I can't believe anyone would go to the UofU. Don't all the recruits that
sign with the U know that BYU has so much more to offer. You know like five
guaranteed wins a year against weak competition and one solid defeat every year
at the hands of the UTES.Go Utes! Heaps better work on his mobility
because he is going to spend a lot of time running for his life on Sept. 17.
I have watched him play for the last three years. Its not often you see one
played double teamed and teams run to the opposite side has him. Respect for a
great player.He looks great in brown and gold and will look the same in blue and
white. Good luck Troy on your mission and at byu
This kid has class.. something that eludes a great many in this state. I wish I
didn't have to wait so long to see him in a Cougar uniform.
Great to see a young man who can reason and articulate so well. He makes no
Every school had things that I loved about them, but none of them had as much to
offer me as BYU did."The thing ute fans/BYU haters can't stand or
comprehend is that statement made by Hinds, none of the other schools had as
much to offer as BYU. It it pretty much that plain and simple. BYU has more to
offer that is positive and benificial to the future of the kid, both football
wise as well as overall. Just like Hinds said , even with football alone he
would have picked BYU but when you add in all the other important aspects of
life that BYU will have a positive influence on it became a no brainer. The BYU
life is something no other school in the country comes close to offering and
their football program is top notch too. Congratulations again Troy, you made a
great choice (the best choice IMO).
I attended BYU for the same values that impressed Hinds. The focus on faith,
family, education, friends and athletics made for a well rounded education. The
value of my BYU experience accrues with each passing year.
"I'm sure his ecclesiastical leaders and the BYU coaches
"manipulated" him by bringing religion into the discussion"Yea, how dare they? But its even worse than that! Not only is this young
man being manipulated to play football for his church's university but he is
also being brainwashed into spending two years of his life as a full time
missionary. Of course we all know that is just a cover, and he is really going
to be spending two years at some secret training facility run by the BYU
Great kid, great player. Good luck to him.
Congratulations Hinds on making this decision. There aren't a lot of NFL
players that would make the priorities you have.
Nah, I'm sure his ecclesiastical leaders and the BYU coaches
"manipulated" him by bringing religion into the discussion...At least THEY ("fans" of another prominent Utah university) tell
giantfan | 4:17 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Farmington, UT Re:
ImaCaManCongratulations on failing to comprehend the point of the
article. Do they even teach reading comprehension in schools anymore? ===They do in the Redlands School District. Ima's probably a U
grad studying medicine at Loma Linda...Nailed it, didn't I....
Congrats to BYU for picking up Hinds. He will be a great OLB in Bronco's
defense. I would have loved to see him play for Coach Whit at the U., but I'll
enjoy watching him play at the Y instead. Good luck to him on his senior year
and his mission.
Let's review the ute "fans" comments:williary | 9:14 a.m.
Aug. 8, 2011 "but clearly this decision was less about football
than other things... yet when it comes to a final decision, football results
just don't match up to other things...Read his statement. Very little about
football, but other things that BYU offers kids."Uh....wrong.
LOL!Thlete | 10:22 a.m. Aug. 8, 2011" I just don't
get what he sees in BYU with all the superior programs that were after
him."Well the rest of us "get" it. In the eyes of top
football recruits those "superior programs" aren't "superior
programs". That delusuion exists only in the mids of utah
"fans".bigutefan | 12:23 p.m. Aug. 8, 2011"Now Utah won't have to worry and monitor him while he is on his mission,
as we all know who goes behind the scenes and recruits while they are on their
missions."Uh....it doesn't appear that it was ever much of a
possibility to begin with.LOL!
So is Davis changing defenses this year? I thought they always were a 4-3 what
did they change to?
I disagree with fellow Cougar fans who say that recent recruiting successes like
Hinds and Mangum are due to their recent move to independence and their ESPN
contract. Hinds and Mangum are both LDS who have plans to serve a mission after
high school. The increased exposure afforded BYU because of the
independence/ESPN deal helps counter the lure of playing for Utah in the Pac-12,
but BYU is always going to have an advantage in recruiting LDS athletes, and
this is certainly not the first time BYU has landed two highly recruited LDS
athletes who had multiple offers from BCS programs. Their roster is currently
loaded with such athletes who signed with BYU before the independence/ESPN
announcement was made.
Re: ImaCaManCongratulations on failing to comprehend the point of
the article. Do they even teach reading comprehension in schools anymore?
All of the charactaristics that Troy mentions he chose BYU for can be very
polarizing. Kids love BYU for it or they know that it is not what they want. I
think you will continue to see BYU recruiting improve because of this.I am
really excited about Hinds as well as the upward trend I am seeing in BYU
Hinds is a great kid and he chose a great school. Rise Up!!
Hinds is trying to explain the intangible attraction of BYU. He did a pretty
good job, but it is still opaque to the unknowing.
"I obviously loved all the aspects about BYU," said the 6-foot-5,
225-pound prospect. "But if BYU didn't have those (unique) things about
them, about things other than football, I still think I would have committed
there because of their great football and what they offer me as a football
player.""I know that people say that I could have played
in better defensive systems, and that I committed because of the other things
besides football, but that isn't true at all. I love everything about how they
play football there, and how Bronco coaches on defense""Every school had things that I loved about them, but none of them had as
much to offer me as BYU did."Need I say more? I can't wait for
some football, and I can't wait to see this guy in a BYU uniform!
He's LDS and feels comfortable going there. Good for him. This was no giant
This Hinds kid is very smart.
Whatever the reasons, I love knowing it bothers so many "classy" utes.
An article about BYU recruiting and specifically Bronco? "Release the
hounds [or red-tailed hawks, or pirates, or whatever they are this week]!"