Let's see... Texas wins/ties the Big 12 (one loss to OK, who drops another
conference game) with a loss to BYU, Utah wins the Pac-12 with only a single
non-conference loss to BYU, TCU wins the MWC (as expected) with only a single
non-conference loss to BYU, Boise State has only a loss to TCU and Hawaii takes
an undefeated record into their loss to BYU... this changes your bowl
BYU wouldn't accept a Big XII invite even if they got it. Not because they don't
want it. Because they have been pumping independence for so long, and they would
screw the WCC if they left now. Timing is all wrong, and it may cost
BYU a spot in a real conference.
The Big 12 is looking less and less like a viable option for BYU as time goes
by. If they ever did get an invitation to it, it would probably in a situation
similar to how Boise State, Fresno, and Nevada were invited to the MWC. By the
time they show up, everyone has left the party. Why would BYU want to join a
conference in which the best competition is Kansas, Iowa State, and Baylor?
Independence is the way to go. If enough additional schools go independent,
there will be changes to how independents can access the BCS anyway.
The way that the money is distributed in the Big12, I can't see anybody wanting
to join. Most of the money is unevenly distributed to the Texas schools, which
is why Nebraska and Colorado were so eager to leave. Rather than
the Big12 invite BYU, I see the opposite happening. If TxA&M does get
serious about the SEC, I see the Big12 going away as some of the elite schools
like USC and Texas move more to the Independent route. There is more money to
be had there if you have out-grown your conference.
Starfarer. I'm going to take a gander and say that your comment will be ignored
by BYU trolls. They won't stop commenting on Utah articles because they can't
Starfarer:Ute fans like posting on Y boards regarding our runaway
superiority because we know how arrogant and narcissistic your fanbase is. Your
fans have been aggressively gloating at us Utes over your
"Independence" -- despite residing in a substantially lesser position
than we -- so one could only imagine the degree of smugness had our stations
been reversed. But the situation has NOT been reversed, so here we
are, giving our bratty little brothers a taste of their own medicine.Besides, we Ute fans know how our barbs affect you all. It's like rattling
the monkeys' cage and watching you all go crazy.It's fun stuff
Naval VetIf utah has the better situation....Why are you
posting on BYU boards trying to convince us?We don't really care.Here's what we know. We are not in the same conference anymore. You
don't matter to us anymore. We don't need you to win to help make our
conference look better.Yet, ute trolls still come to BYU boards to
convince us that they are better than us, that they have the better deal, and
that their bowl pictures are brighter.If you really believe that,
why is it necessary to come here and tell us?Why not just go read
your ute articles and bask in your opulence?This is why you are
always called the little brothers. No matter what you get in life you will
always be measuring yourself against BYU.If you really had it
better, walk away, say nothing and just be better.I suggest the same
things to BYU fans. Quit posting on ute boards, walk away.However,
if ute trolls continue to post on BYU articles, let them have it. Do not let
ute trolls into our house and talk smack.but don't do it on their
El Paso is lovely in December. Of course the Sun Bowl is more prestigious. They
don't even need fireworks, they can listen to the gunfire across the river
during pregame festivities.
Naval Vet:Nice spin but that's not what Utah fans have said. They
are so adamant that they will be IN the the PAC 12 Champ game and IN the
Rosebowl they even show up on BYU articles to say so. Don't be so condescending
to assume we haven't noticed the difference.Wa State, and Arizona
play for the Rosebowl every year too.
riddlemethis:You are aware that the Sun Bowl is a much more
prestigious bowl game than Armed Forces Bowl, aren't you? Plus, Ute fans have
been making fun of you since long before we were even invited to join the
Pac-12. As far as the Rose Bowl is concerned, Utah will play for
one every year from now on. Try not to confuse "playing for a Rose Bowl
berth" with "will play in the Rose Bowl". The former is a lock;
the latter is a possibility.On the flip side, it's a lock that
you'll be "locked-out" of a BCS Bowl. It is NOT a lock that you'll
play in the Armed Forces Bowl however. That's still classified under
"possibility", since you'll still have to win 6-games first.Yep. There's no question Utah has the better situation here:Rivals > cougarboard-dot-com, deepshadesofblue-dot-com, Dick Harmon
fantasies, et al.Sun Bowl > Armed Forces Bowl;Rose Bowl
possibility > no shot at a BCS Bowl
@ Mildred in Fillmore:Just out of curiosity when do you decide to
use the Earnest T Bass handle vs. Mildred in Fillmore?I love how the
Ute fans use rivals as the all omniscient source for recruiting and preseason
polls but now that their beloved rivals has them in the Sunbowl they hurry and
make fun of BYU for playing in the armed forces bowl to try and get ahold of the
narrative, as if we haven't noticed the prophetic prognostications over the last
8 months of them playing in the PAC12 Chmp game/Rose Bowl.
"Utah's bowl projection was just changed to the salsa and chips
bowl."Best comment of the night! LOL
Also, why wouldn't BYU be projected to play in a bowl that they have already
signed a contract to play in under certain provisions. BYU will not get a BCS
bowl bid unless it is undefeated anytime in the next few years.
It would be a wonderfully ironic situation if BYU joined the Big-12 and it would
have nothing to do with religious bigotry and everything to do with power and
money. Any invitation that would be extended would leave BYU in a subordinate
position as far as conference earnings go. Texas won't accept any deal that
does it leave it the top dog, at least in financial terms.
re: RepresentBlue | 4:48 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 And slim left the
building years ago. That was comedic, but Zoniezoobie | 5:02 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011
tops you.Taking a page of Roddy Piper's book; it's time for a
reality check...The B12 let CU & the Huskers partly due to
geography. So, why would they invite the Y who is even further away?
Although I think the bowl projections are reasonable, less than 25% of them will
turn out to be accurate. This time of year, with only baseball to watch, it is
fun to speculate what might happen with college football.This year,
it would take a 12-0 record to get BYU in a BCS game. I think there's a chance
of that happening, but agree the chances are slim. Too many tough games on the
road and too much inexperience on the team that will lead to some mistakes. Houston, Tulsa or So Miss would be good opponents in the Armed Forces
Bowl. All would draw well in Dallas.In the future, I can see BYU
having a shot at a BCS bowl with one loss. In 2013 and beyond, they'll have
more quality opponents to increase their SOS. That doesn't mean that they'll
play 12, Top 25 teams. But it does mean you'll see teams like So. Miss replace
Idaho State. And some of the rumors about teams like Wisconsin, Penn State and
Nebraska will pan out. BYU's future schedule will look a lot like most AQ
schools (SEC excluded), whick could lead to an 11-1 BCS birth.
"...who was arrested and suspended by coach Mack Brown."Boy, college coaches are getting too much power if they can now arrest their
own players. It's a difficult language, I know.
mgr63Unlike some BYU-haters who spam every BYU article with their
hatred of all things BYU, most people in Big 12 country aren't religious bigots.
@mgr63They have already given a thought to it. Most college football
analysts agree that BYU is on a short list of potential additions should the Big
12 decide to expand to 12 teams again, and there are quotes from people in the
Big 12 like the Oklahoma AD that confirm it. Does than mean BYU is a shoe-in?
No. It just means they have been looked at, and will probably be looked again if
the Big 12 ever decides to expand. I really don't think BYU is looking for an
invitation to a BCS conference anymore though. I think they are committed to
making independence work, and also to the WCC, at least for the foreseeable
future. So in that sense we agree, BYU will probably not be joining the Big 12
anytime soon, if ever. And I am one Cougar fan who is just fine with that.
mgr63This just in; with Wynn and half the already thin offensive
line going down, Utah's bowl projection was just changed to the salsa and chips
bowl. Enjoy the holidays.
@utahcountyuteYes, Utah is in a better situation than BYU with
respect to the post season. Does that make you feel better about your life? Utah
now has guaranteed access to a BCS bowl, while BYU must do what Utah was once
required to do - go undefeated. Even then BYU is not guaranteed a BCS bowl
invitation unless it is ranked in the BCS top 2 (which is absurd because then
they would be playing in the NC game which by definition matches the BCS #1 and
#2). But, believe it or not, not everyone has drunk the BCS kool-aid
and thinks that is the totality of college football. It is nothing more than a
corrupt system designed to monopolize the bowl revenues for the largest schools.
It is also an impediment to having a true playoff system and a true national
champion. No other sport in the world has a system as absurd as the BCS. Some
day the BCS system is going to be torn down and college football will have what
it deserves, a post-season playoff like every other major college and
@ZonieZoobie,Are you for real? The people here are Southern Baptists
in the Big 12, Rick Perry included. Do you think they would give one thought to
It's kind of an easy to projection. If they beat all the WAC games at home, they
will be in a bowl game and the only one they can go to is the finger-licking
bowl game. Right?Nice.
@ Zoniezoobie | 5:02 p.m. Aug. 10, 2011 Mesa, AZ Why all the
constant conjecture about BYU joining a BCS conference? Independance is the
Texas A&M talking to SEC according to ESPN and Texas Gov. Rick Perry. Will
Big 12 make a move to expand involving BYU?
mgr,The enjoyment will all come from utah trolls like you. We have
known for months what bowl we would be playing in. Unless of course we go
undefeated. I am not predicting that but I am sure you and your ilk will say
that. However, you will try to make it seem like breaking bad news for us.
However, the only bad news (or good news depending on how you look at it) is
that utah will be relegated to the Sun Bowl. I though utah was going to win the
pac12 chumpionship and win the Rose Bowl?Go CougarsGo Wildcats
Say BYU wins 11 games--playing Tulsa in that bowl would be a bit of a bummer.
On the other hand, 8 wins or less and I'm thinking fans and players will look
forward to it.
Don't we play Tulsa in the next couple years? Maybe i'm thinking of somebody
else. We had some fun games against Tulsa a few years back. I'd be fine playing
That sounds like a pretty reasonable bowl projection. BYU's chances of a BCS
bowl this season are slim to none so that means they will be playing in the
Armed Forces Bowl provided they are bowl eligible, and Tulsa is a reasonable
prediction for an opponent.How was that mgr63? Was that hilarious
enough for you?
mgr63,I've noticed you joined the comments section recently.Did you just barely figure out how to set up an account? You did go to
the U after all, right?
Oh my goodness......I've started popping the popcorn........the BYU fans are
gonna be hilarious on this thread.....buckle-up folks, for the madness is soon
to pile up here for sure! Yee Haw!
Millie,Just like it can't be because utah will win the Rose Bowl.LOL!
Milldred,Thanks for proving Max right. Day after day after day
This isn't possible because BYU will be in the National Championship game.