*The new Romney definitely will push the Mormon Church's agenda on the US.*Nonsense. Romney didn't do it as governor of Massachusetts and he won't
do it as President.
Before the elections in 2004, a Priest or minister (doesn't matter) in Southern
California stood on his pulpit and urged his parishioners to judge the
candidates "in their totality". He said polarizing positions, having
only one topic or issue is not how to judge a person's character, or the ability
to perform his duties in office. He mentioned no local, state or federal
election. He was not specifically addressing any single issue voter such as
those against war, abortion, gay marriage, taxes and just about anything. For his teachings, the church was taken to court by the Justice Department
with the threat of taking away their church tax free exemption. I read the text
of the sermon and it was well done and simply asked that each look at all of the
qualifications. I live in Florida, but donated to their defense fund.
Kennedy wanted to end the fed and bring the troops home. Kennedy stood for
something. Romney, the guy who wrote obamacare doesn't stand for diddly squat.
@Doug: If "marriage" is no longer just between one man and one woman I
don't see why it should be between just one of anything. Two? Three? Sure, why
"President Kennedy might not have signed a bill legalizing Gay Marriage but
then again Mitt Romney wouldn't have dated Marilyn Monroe. "Mitt may have very well married her, she was attractive to many, especailly to
those who were power hungry.If Mitt becomes president will he
When the Evangelical Christian Conservatives get through with him, we will see
him emerge as the abused, pandering, flip-floping politico we have all come to
love and admire...Why else would he avoid going toe-to-toe with
these adversaries in Iowa?
I really hope Mitt doesn't get elected. I'm not against him as a person, but
I'm all for separation of church and state and feel he does not have that
capability. I don't feel and true LDS member can be president and be able to
differentiate between what the country needs and what their religion says it
needs. Like his recent signing against Gay Marriage ... give it time Romney
you're not even elected yet and making oaths against certain people.
DN Moderator - Seriously? You denied this comment? You have got to be kidding
me. Not a big deal, but you guys are all over the board. How about this
suggestion. Follow your rules.J-Tx 's list"Not
squelching Free Enterprise - meaning minimal tax increases"He has not
raised any taxes - check"Motivating Congress to cut crap
program spending out of the Federal Budget"Suggestions on how
he might do that?"allowing international sourcing for
pharmaceuticals"Uh, you mean what Bush rammed thru?"Raising the Social Security limit to apply to the first $500K of
income"That is a tax increase. Never get that through the Tea
PartyTort Reform - ok with that.Tax code. Ok, but at the
end of the day, it still needs to bring in money to cover expenses. Limit
deductions? On business? On people? Good luck with that.Not sure
what you think Obama has done to stifle the economy? I will agree that he has
not improved it, but he did not take it into the ditch. It was there when he
The only likeness Mitt Romney has to John Kennedy is the religious
perception.Mitt Romney is not anything like John Kennedy.Kennedy was decisive, direct and was a leader. He never flip flopped. He never
played to the mouthy minority. John Kennedy was concerned about all Americans
and the World.Mitt Romney is a job destroyer. He is indecisive. He
flip flops. Sorry folks, Mitt might be a nice guy but he isn't a
Re: giantfan - 10:33 a.m. Farmington, UT Re: Brother Chuck Schroeder.
Wow, that's quite an indictment. Of you course you have proof of all this?.Reply: As a matter of fact, yes I do. It's titled "The Romney/
Goldman Sachs Chronicles - Modern Day Robber Baron's g[al]ore." Mitt (the
Pitts) Romney Benefiting from Off Shore Tax Havens, Federal Court Fraud and
Organized Crimes. Mitt Romney Bain entities have benefited from federal frauds.
Because Romney's Bain entities and Goldman Sachs utilize the same Delaware
counsel (Morris Nichols Arsht & Tunnell). Meg Whitman and Mitt Romney both
have a history of utilizing their own monies to fund their campaigns. This might
be due to the fact that Meg Whitman came from BAIN - too!. All anyone need
investigate is Bain and several other "exclusive" holdings of Mitt
Romney to see he speaks with forked tongue. Such as Stage Stores, a southern
Texas Bankruptcy case (#00-35078) - where Mitt owns the bulk of the entity that
held 500 stores. As I said...... "more news at
11", if Utah puts him in Office along with FAIR.I know, better,
do you?.My truthful views.Let this debate begin Mr. Ash,
LValfre - just to clarify your misstatement - "Took Romney's religion until
1978 to accept blacks though." Blacks were members of the LDS Church since
its earliest days but in 1978 a revelation was given to also allow the males to
hold the priesthood. Independent - thank you for the laugh.
Took Romney's religion until 1978 to accept blacks though. Seems blatantly
obvious they only did it due to decreased conversions with whites (especially
educated), increased missions in Brazil, Africa, and places with blacks, and
other colleges actively picketing and refusing to play against BYU. All that,
compounded by the civil rights movement, finally got God's word that blacks are
"God hasn't spoken to man since Moses." - Mitt Romney in a tv
interview, 2007Ahem, excuse me, but is this some sort of new
"revelation" Mitt?That's not exactly what Joseph Smith said.You've got some 'splainin' to do.
@Goldie Z: When Kennedy was President discrimination because of race was still
legal. Many blacks and other minorities couldn't even vote. The
nation has changed a lot since then. Look, we have a black President.
After reading through these comments I have reached the conclusion that nobody
really knows what they are talking about, and I am now dumber for having read it
all. Thanks a lot.
Poor Sam....letting his anti mormon attitude show. Get real Sam..Mitt does not
work that way. Get to know the man that he is. Read his Book. He is a leader and
a profound fix it man. America needs him. Get on the band wagon Sammy.
DeltaFoxtrot writes"The President actually has very little
power when it comes to advancing a personal agenda. But all I hear
from the right is that Obama has been pushing his anti-American, godless,
Re: Brother Chuck SchroederWow, that's quite an indictment. Of you
course you have proof of all this? Oh yeah, who needs proof to get in the way of
a good rant, right?
Here we go again, if Mitt Romney were to be elected president of the United
States in 2012, the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research would be
right. It's what they don't tell you that's scary. Both the Utah "poster
children", Romney and Huntsman's candidacy is in a state of turmoil, the
Mormonism part is a set of blinders to pull the wool over your eyes, that's all.
in another DN feeding frenzy in their "silver lining" to get them in
Office. I would rather have a "poor" honest and never lies President
like Jesus Christ in Washington, then Romney any time. I cannot wait until Mitt
(in the Pitts) Romney gets the GOP nomination - before I address the true nature
of this nefarious beast. Because this series of reports will contain evidence of
off shore tax havens, bankruptcy fraud, bankruptcy collusion and federal system
of justice corruption that benefits Romney's entities. That also ties hand in
hand with Goldman Sachs IPO fraud, bankruptcy collusion, bankruptcy fraud and
federal system of justice collusion. All anyone need investigate is Bain and
several other "exclusive" holdings of Romney to see he speaks with
forked tongue. More news at 11........My views.
@sam3915"And how exactly do you know that? Please cite
specifics." We're calling you out sam. Be a stand up guy and gives
us the specifics.
The next few months and the 2012 election are going to be about jobs....and job
creation.The Democrats are going to say we have to spend (borrowed)
federal funds in order to create jobs. They will argue that things would have
been worse without the big spending of the Obama years. They will argue for
"investment" in construction jobs. They will scream for federal
spending to invest in education at all levels. They will insist increased growth
will solve the deficit.The Republicans will say we must end deficits
because government borrowing sucks capital away from private sector job
formation. They will call for employment tax credits to spur job growth....and
in the end they will have to consent to tax increases on the very wealthy in
order to get them.The 2012 election, for Congress and the White House,
will be about who the great American middle believes.Religion will
disappear as an issue after the GOP convention....except, of course, if Mitt
Romney or Rick Perry is nominated. The GOP will have to chose between a
Mormon or man who just told 30,000 he believes God is calling him to run for
@ Reasonable:This is how a President is supposed to bring jobs
back:1) Not squelching Free Enterprise - meaning minimal tax
increases.2) Motivating Congress to cut crap program spending out of the
Federal Budget, go beyond balancing it and trimming the deficit so that there is
an environment of positive expectations.3) NOT pushing through garbage
legislation like a pork-filled "stimulus" that doesn't stimulate and
only adds to the national debt.4) Addressing Health Care reform that will
make a difference, like Tort reform, limitations on drug trademark exclusivity,
allowing international sourcing for pharmaceuticals, and increasing competition,
instead of ramming through a budget-breaking Health Care bill that makes Doctors
want to change their profession.5) Incentivizing the Fortune 500 to take
their war chest $Trillions in cash and start domestically hiring people with it.
(Tax incentives are the only way to do this.)6) Raising the Social
Security limit to apply to the first $500K of income.7) Simplifying the
tax code to a flat 7-8% for individuals and businesses, immediately eliminating
all but the largest deductions and phasing out those over 10 years, 10% per
year.But most importantly, it takes a President with guts.
@christoph | 8:55 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011Brigham City, UTMr. Romney's past
business tactics will hurt him more than where he worships. Yes---Mr. Romney
knows more about trade and economic growth than most---even much more than Mr.
Obama-----yet it will come out how he made his $200 million. Packs of angry
ex-employees are lining up (as they have for 15 years) to speak how he would buy
a company, fire 25 percent of them, grow a profit, then sell the company in 2-3
years. This may be legal but is it right? --------Yes,
it is right. He knows how to put a company (country) on a lean track to
success. That is what we need right now. But he won't be making the millions
in profits, WE will. We, THE PEOPLE, will. We, THE COUNTRY, will. He
understands business, he gets it.If someone with his business acumen
and drive doesn't get elected, there may not be much left for ANY of us to
There was no question about gay marriage when Kennedy was president.
@Ranch"Romney recently signed NOM's pledge to push for a
Constitutional Amendment denying equal treatment under the law to GLBT
Americans."You're confusing equal treatment with special
Al Smith was a Catholic. His loss to Roosevelt was partially because he was a
Catholic. When Smith ran, much of America was rabidly anti-Catholic
...including the Mormons in Utah.That long-standing bias dated at least to
the arrival of numerous Irish Catholics in the 1848 potato famine. It was
inflamed by the arrival of many Southern European immigrants in the first
decades of the twentieth century. The Klu Klux Klan was everywhere and Catholics
were almost as hated by that ilk as blacks.World War II threw Americans of
all backgrounds together in the military and civilian production efforts.
Attitudes about not only blacks but also Catholics changed greatly. Overt acts
of hatred lessened.But even into the fifties, children all over the
country were taught in school that one of the reasons America was great was that
we had a "Protestant work ethic" -- code for "Catholics are
lazy".Kennedy was a war hero. He was Irish not Italian. He came
from a big, prosperous family.His voters included millions of Catholics.
He started with a big religious base. He won.He changed
perspectives.But he won very, very narrowly.He had no mandate.
Can anyone explain HOW a President is supposed to "bring jobs back to this
nation"?Obama suggested cutting tax breaks for companies who
shift jobs overseas.The Republicans screamed.Obama wanted a larger
stimulus, to create infrastructure improvements.We know who screamed.
@Sam3915: The President actually has very little power when it comes to
advancing a personal agenda. Policy making resides with Congress and the courts,
the President is really only there to direct them which way to go.Of
the LDS Church's primary agenda, gay marriage seems to be a moot point now...
it's going to happen one way or another... and you can forget about anything
being done to change the nation's policy on alcohol. The LDS agenda
only does well here in UT b/c the state is 66% LDS. The rest of the nation is
maybe 6% LDS so there isn't much of a chance for success there.Election should be a shoe-in for Romney now that Obama has shot himself in the
foot. Unless there is some miraculous economic recovery between now and election
day Obama doesn't have a chance. Let's just hope the GOP (that means Tea Party
too) can get together behind a sensible candidate who can bring JOBS back to
Romney recently signed NOM's pledge to push for a Constitutional Amendment
denying equal treatment under the law to GLBT Americans.That is NOT
the sort of person I want leading my country.
@sam3915And how exactly do you know that? Please cite specifics.
Re: sam3915 | 8:39 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011 What Mormon Church agenda did
Mitt Romney push when he was Governor of Massachusetts?
Mr. Romney's past business tactics will hurt him more than where he worships.
Yes---Mr. Romney knows more about trade and economic growth than most---even
much more than Mr. Obama-----yet it will come out how he made his $200 million.
Packs of angry ex-employees are lining up (as they have for 15 years) to speak
how he would buy a company, fire 25 percent of them, grow a profit, then sell
the company in 2-3 years. This may be legal but is it right? We need more
economic growth in this country and Mr. Romney would make a great
president------let it be a shared -- by-- all-- economic-- growth.
Rifleman | 8:17 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011Salt Lake City, Utah You sure
have a lot of confidence in the arm flesh - the right arm. The Utah Olympics
were much bigger than the state of Utah. It could have succeeded in spite of
Mitt Romney. And why not let Huntsman be the man? Bringing in Romney from the
outside was a classless move by those who did not like Huntsman's politics.
Policies like removing taxes on food are very unpopular in Idaho and Utah. I
wish someone could explain that to me.
The big difference between President Kennedy and Romney is that Kennedy did not
push the Catholic Church's agenda on the US. The new Romney definitely will push
the Mormon Church's agenda on the US.
I disagree that the perception of a Mormon President would be similar to JFK.
With all due respect, this isn't the 60's. They didn't have the Christian
Coalition back then, and religion didn't play so heavily into the national
political debate as it does now. The Republican Party now faces more pressure
than ever to produce a candidate that meets the approval of the far-right
"Christian" political activists. This is evident when you consider
how George Romney's LDS membership was scarcely even mentioned during his
presidential campaign, but Mitt Romney's Mormonism is now one of the biggest
obstacles he faces in his own presidential bid.
Re: FDRfan | 7:23 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011 Utahn's know how popular Mitt
Romney was when he rescued the foundering 2002 Winter Olympics after the Olympic
scandal and brought the games in under budget to the tune of about $50 million
dollars.If that's what the Tea Party is all about I'm 100% for them.
Re: Dixie Dan | 6:20 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011 President Kennedy might not
have signed a bill legalizing Gay Marriage but then again Mitt Romney wouldn't
have dated Marilyn Monroe.
a recent Gallup poll that stated that Romney was the 85 percent choice of the
state, while Huntsman had just 11 percent of the vote.The country
elects a President. Mitt Romney's Mormonism will only be a problem to the
Bachmann and Perry crowd. His Republicanism will be a concern to the country.His outburst over the budget deal reveals that he is identically aligned with
the objectives of the Tea Party. We will see just how popular they are in 2012.
Time for Mitt to step up and show America where the real "Leadership"
Let me speak as straight as I can. I do not care what religion you are or
are not. I am a Catholic, but miss Mass more than I attend. I often tell
people I am a practicing agnostic. I believe I am a good person, I contribute
to the community by volunteering, my level of hate for some in politics is
minimal and I pay my taxes.Please stop characterizing anyone based on
their religion. Mitt Romney is currently high on my list of Presidential
candidates. I'll judge a person on their character and ability before anything
else. That goes for both parties.
Kennedy would never have signed a bill legalizing Gay Marriage like Romney has
done. Nor would he had flipped-floppped on so many issues.
I'd be much more interested in how Mitt Romney would addressed our national
financial crises and a whole lot less worried about who he prays to in the
privacy of his home.
Forgive me if I have a Freudian slip and call her Ainsley Airhead, Bringhurst
said about the broadcaster."As a Mormon, may i say that calling
names does nothing to earn us respect, demonstrates no Christian virtue, and is
a stain upon all of us as members."Bringhurst said that
rank-and-file members of the church have leaned toward Romney"As a 'rank-and-file' member, whatever that means, I will not vote for either
Jon Huntsman or Mitt Romney. Absolutely will not. If you look deeper than
religion, there is no reason that LDS who like Romney shouldn't support someone
like Tim Pawlenty, but it is telling that they do not.The LDS Church
does not endorse any candidate or party, so we should look for good men and
women with whom we agree and defend principles we believe in. Church leaders
have often praised our Constitution as 'inspired', and worthy of defense. Both
Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have shown no special deference to the
Constitution, but more to political expediency.