@ byronbca Someone tells us the sky is falling and many spread the
rumor before verifying it's authenticity. How many of those in favor of
shutting down Kennecott completely and laying off all their workers are addicted
to cigarettes and are themselves living smokestacks belching smoke and toxic
jsf is absolutely right. The EPA is concerned about air pollution, not tons of
material moved. The only reason to care about the amount of material moved is
if you are trying to hurt their business. It has nothing to do with health or
air quality. If they can move more material without exceeding the air quality
standards by implementing better dust abatement or some new air quality
technology, they shyould be able to do it. Now even the lawyers are
leaving California...the state has been milked dry through rediculous law suits,
taxes and regulations. Don't let it happen to Utah!
byronbca | 11:44 Read the article again, the EPA spokesman said they are within
the legal parameters of the laws and regulations that were set. They are not
breaking any laws.
Re: byronbca | 11:44 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011 "Kennecott spokeswoman
Jana Kettering said the threatened suit is without merit and the mining company
is operating within approvals granted by the EPA and the state."Until proved otherwise I'll take Kennecott's word as being accurate. The only
sad thing about DeChristopher's federal prison sentence is that it wasn't
Your cars cause at least 75% of the polution, maybe you should no longer drive?
You have a bus and trax system, you should all use it. That way kennecott will
be the biggest polluter in the Salt Lake Valley and my husband can deliver your
wishes in his semi without all the terrible drivers around him. Imagine how much
better the air would be? Car exhaust is all discretionary pollution.... Do you
think, where are the good jobs? who pays the most taxes? There is a trade off
for everything. There is no way to produce food without farming, no way to move
goods with out trucks, no way to produce clothes without milling, no way to
produce cooper without mining. Make Kennecott so it can not expand and profit
and you will kill it. California is emptying out, as the jobs leave. Don't
believe me look at the lists of empty forclousure homes there.
Re rifleman:Weren't you one of the first people to condemn
DeChristopher for breaking the law? Yet here you are defending Kennocott for
breaking it. Isn't that hypocritical? Shouldn't mining companies get punished
like everyone else for breaking the laws or should big corporations get a free
pass? And what in the world does going to the bathroom have to do
with mining infractions? Are you insinuating that I'm illegally using the
toilet? Do you really believe that if I start going to the bathroom once a week
that Kennocott will start being more environmentally responsible? They broke the law and should have to pay the price just like everyone else.
Kennecott, a foreign owned company focused on profits. They don't seem to care
that they cause over 25% of the air pollution in salt lake county. What
Kennecott is doing is wrong and letting them expand production is mortally
Re: byronbca | 9:52 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011 I'll take SL County's air over
that brown haze in Los Angeles every time. People that criticize Kennecott for
air pollution should be the first to set an example by walking everywhere they
go, and limiting the number of times they use the bathroom to once a week.
Everytime you and I exhale we pollute! Oh no! We must be evil!
Really previous posters? Are you really going to make the argument that bad air
is good for our economy? Really? So your argument is that it's okay to illegally
pollute our environment as long as it creates jobs? What about the people who
move from SLC to avoid the pollution, or the people who call in sick for work?
Doesn't that hurt our economy more? Is our economy more important than our
health and well being?Kennocott is responsible for 25% of SL
county's air pollution yet they don't come close to providing 1% of SL county's
jobs. Every business in the state of Utah has regulations that they have to
abide by, why should kennocott, a foreign company with foreign management, be
able to break a law that affects every single SL county resident directly?It's not okay to break the law to create jobs. It's not okay to
illegally pollute our environment to turn a profit. Polluting our environment
does not correlate into job creation, it just causes people to call in sick for
Re: dalefarr | 9:14 a.m. Aug. 9, 2011 Limiting expansion and growth
by definition limits job growth. With today's economy heading into the toilet
why would Obama and his liberal followers want to limit job growth?Those truly concerned about Utah's air pollution should consider moving to Los
Angeles were the air is pure and pristine.
I am no environmental nut, but you can't just assume a business like this is
following guidelines. History has shown that businesses will do what they can to
skirt guidelines and push the limits to be more profitable.Watchdogs
are absolutely needed to keep these guys in line. And guess what - sometimes the
watchdogs are wrong - but why you would simply assume they are wrong is beyond
me.Carte blanche for Kennecott is as unreasonable a position as what
you get from extreme environmentalists. Be reasonable, have a conversation,
check on issues, don't start and end with name calling.
Limiting Kennecott's air pollution isn't going to eliminate any of Kennecott's
1200 employees. However, it does limit expansion and growth.
Delta said: Go ahead, sue them. It'll just cost more people their jobs.Sorry but the copper is where it is, and it is not realistic to move those
jobs anywhere else.The rest of the posters remind me of Battle
Mountain passing a resolution to not let the EPA test their drinking watercause they kept finding arsenic, lead and an assortment of toxic goodies, ya
see if no one tests the water there's nothing wrong with it. The EPA was causing
the water to be contaminated by testing it. Logicalfor someone drinking that
Yep, lets shut them down! One less employer (for liberals, insert polluters
here) in the world!
Our economy is on the skids, we're headed into another recession (thanks to
Obama), and the tree huggers want to put the brakes on industry. Of course
they'll tell you it's all Bush's fault.
If you want to see what an over zealous enviromental policy can do to our state
look to California. They are broke!! The only industry that is growing there is
Hollywood. They have destroyed their dairy industry, much of the steel and pipe
manufacturing, almost all of the lumber industry, and almost all of the mining.
Even the orchards are suffering from the enviros and their stupid rules. (We
hauled freight there, they are told they can't burn the trimmed limbs and dead
trees, then they can't chip them up, now they have to bury them in a big plastic
bag?)$500 perhead peryear cattle emissions fee put the dairy business' out. The
ones we delivered hay to sold off all their older cows for slaughter and took
the really good ones out of state. When any government agency has to much power
it will kill the economy. Doctrine and Covenants 121:39
This is "how things work:" 'When a business is successful the
environmentalists find a way to hold back production.' If it's not them, it's a
labor union. Prosperity doesn't fit the liberal definition of
"acceptable" in this country.
These doctors (or doctor in this case) are barking up the wrong tree. They just
don't like a big company doing what it does best. Provide jobs and make money.
Maybe this doctor is mad because Kennecott removed him from their health plan.
Enviro extremists cots this country thousands of jobs and drive up costs of all
sorts of products and services.On the other hand, the enviro folks
do create jobs for lawyers, if anyone thinks that expanding that industry is
good for the country.
We don't have enough jobs in the US as it is and the eco-greenies want to sue
one of the few American companies that is left.Go ahead, sue them.
It'll just cost more people their jobs.