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  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 10, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    re: TrueBlue | 8:43 p.m. Aug. 8, 2011

    I'm dizzy from the spin.

    **If not when** byu wins 3 BCS games then you can run all the smack you want.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    @ Westcrust

    Ute trolls just can't leave any article on the Cougars alone, can they?

    ... Cougars land Hinds (168 comments), this article (59 comments)

    It's called jealousy.

    ... back to the story, 'Utes most important team in college football'

    You're kidding? Right? Laughable at best.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    BYU's independence will not change the football landscape. The name schools are not looking to go independent, no matter how well BYU does. Texas, for example, wants their own network and conference affiliation too. Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, and other traditional powers are not looking for independence. It is much more likely that super conferences will emerge and function as a de facto play-off system. There is more money, regional recognition, and structure in this approach over the long run.

    Utah is not the most important team in the country this year. They are not likely to be a factor in the national championship race or finish higher than second in their PAC-12 division. They are not likely to be as weak as BYU fans would like for them to be either.

    The importance of BYU's football program is consistently overstated by BYU fans as well. BYU does have a national following, driven by transplanted Latter-day Saints. As an ever larger percentage of the Latter-day Saints are educated elsewhere it is possible that this following will be diluted over time.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    BYU fans just can't leave any article on the Utes alone, can they?

    It's called sour grapes.

  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Aug. 9, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Even as a Utah fan, I love the BCS and I hope it never goes away.

  • Fully Exposed Irvine, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    @10CC...
    ...At some point BYU fans are going to have to accept the fact that their primary run of glory was in the previous century...

    What do you mean?
    Do you mean like 1984 was in the last century?

    Hmmm....lol

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    At some point BYU fans are going to have to accept the fact that their primary run of glory was in the previous century.

    The rest of the nation seems to have come to that conclusion, as even with the Mighty Heaps and an impending national championship, the Cougars were only ranked #43 in the coaches preseason poll.

    I suspect either Ole Miss or Texas will end this year's Quest for Perfection.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Motorbike...that is surely a cute little post. I am prowd of you.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    OK, Ok, I give props to u for two BCS wins and an invite to a BCS conference. u have a right to beat your chests and talk smack.

    Just two years ago, most if not all u fans despised the BCS (HH, CB, MGR and others not included), now many of u worship it like it's the end. u have arrived but you snub your noses at those who haven't or won't ever arrive because u are now one of them.

    Even the dregs of the BCS conferences are on the dole and have become dependent, unable to shed the heavy hand of the cartel bosses. They become the whipping boys for the strong and mighty.

    Who knows how it will all play out, but u being the most important team in the country may or may not be so.

    I contend that BYU's independence will have far more influence on the future college football landscape than little ole u.

    In the mean time I hope Utah does well in the PAC12 and I hope you keep the perspective of where you came from and I hope BYU fans do the same.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    BYU still hasn't done squat to get into playing in BCS bowls--can't hang with the big boys, can't be compared to the big boys.

    Ciao

  • BWhineU Not San Diego, CA
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    @trueblu, @riverton coug, @truecoug1...

    blah, blah, blah...BYU still hasn't done squat to step up to the BCS level to establish itself as a BCS-caliber team.

    No BCS bowl game qualification--let alone BCS bowl win.

    BYU isn't in the same group with Utah, TCU and BSU.

    BYU, though, may be in the top-tier of the 100 or so mid-major teams, but behind TCU (which is getting into Big East soon) and BSU--I will not argue with you here.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    @truthsandwhich

    And I can only think of one place where finishing 2nd or 4th is somehow better than finishing 1st. Welcome to "the hill" folks.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Aug. 9, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Wow. I can only think of one place where "top 15 finishes" is the consistent rebuttal to actual BCS wins, to show dominance in the BCS era. Welcome to Provo folks.

  • Chrissy Bee Atlanta, GA
    Aug. 9, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    BYU had a down year last year. All great teams go through that on occasion. Texas last year, for example. The utes are about to find out what that is like, since their memories are such that they cannot recall what was their typical end result prior to just seven years ago.

    In the utes way of thinking, football was invented in 2004. It never existed prior to that year. But considering their sorry performance on the field for the previous century, I would not want to remember it either.

    2011, meet pre-2004. Welcome back to irrelevance.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    "It's too funny that you group BYU in with Utah, TCU and BSU"

    I hate to break it to you, but EVERYONE except BYU haters groups BYU in with those other three. Just because last year they went 7-6 doesn't suddenly make them irrelevant and just because Utah had a couple of great seasons does not make them national powerhouses.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    @SoCalUtahFan "while BYU hasn't done squat in the BCS era."

    BYU's the first team in the BCS era to go independent, get an exclusive contract with ESPN, get recognized as a national brand program by being put on a minimum of 10 games on the ESPN family of networks this season, and utilize their own network to show sporting events, etc.

    Utah's a team that backed into the PAC 12, with a horrible Colorado Buffaloes squad, for the sole purpose of gaining access to the Salt Lake and Denver TV markets.

    Apparently the PAC 12 finds the "Most Important Team in the Nation" so important, they decided to put their first PAC 12 game EVER (against USC) on Versus...and didn't schedule any other U conference games on national TV.

    Colorado gets an ESPN2 date with USC...seems like a slap in the face, don't you think?

    Basically, the PAC 12 said to Utah "Welcome to the 'big boys' table...here's the high chair and a bib, sit still and don't make waves".

    Chris Hill was happy to oblige.

    But there's always basketball to look forward to, right?

    Oh wait...never mind :)

    Go Cougars!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    "BYU hasn't done squat in the BCS era"

    Bronco: 4 AP Top 25 finishes
    Kyle: 2 AP Top 25 finishes

    BYU back-to-back Top 15 finishes in 2006-2007

    Utah has NEVER had back-to-back Top 15 finishes, ever

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    @Riverton...
    ...Utah needs to do well to show that teams like Utah, TCU, BYU, and BSU are just as good as the BCS teams...

    It's too funny that you group BYU in with Utah, TCU and BSU--3 of the teams in mid-majors that actually made it to BCS, won BCS games and remained unbeaten at end of season--while BYU hasn't done squat in the BCS era. BYU is not even close to Utah, TCU and BSU.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    JustGordon

    The difference between dependent Utah and independent BYU is the Cougars will now be judged entirely on their own merits, whereas the Utes will be judged by the success of their associates.

    Except for USC, BYU, by themselves, has won more concensus national championships (#1 in both polls, AP and Coaches), than the rest of the PAC 12 COMBINED!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    JustGordon

    Until we have a major college football playoff, every national champion has been and always will be "elected".

    USC won the AP National Championship in 2003 without playing in the Bogus Championship Series "championship" game.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Uteology

    Skywalker's argument was that you can't have a mediocre year the year prior to a national championship run if you're not a legacy program.

    Since BYU had a great year the year prior to its national championship season, the legacy exception doesn't apply.

    BYU 1979-1984: 66-9(88%), 5 Top 12 finishes, back-to-back Top 7 finishes
    ranked #7/#7 in 1983

    1979 11-1 #13/#12
    1980 12-1 #12/#12
    1981 11-2 #13/#11
    1982 8-4 unranked
    1983 11-1 #7/#7
    1984 13-0 #1/#1

    Utah 1999-2004: 48-22(69%), 2 Top 21 finishes, one Top 4 finish
    ranked #21/#21 in 2003

    1999 9-3 unranked
    2000 4-7 unranked
    2001 8-4 unranked
    2002 5-6 unranked
    2003 10-2 #21/#21
    2004 12-0 #4/#5

    Utah 2003-2008: 59-16(79%), 3 Top 21 finishes, two Top 4 finishes
    unranked in 2007

    2003 10-2 #21/#21
    2004 12-0 #4/#5
    2005 7-5 unranked
    2006 8-5 unranked
    2007 9-4 unranked
    2008 13-0 #2/#4

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    I agree with most of points this article makes, and I've been saying the same thing. Utah needs to do well to show that teams like Utah, TCU, BYU, and BSU are just as good as the BCS teams (in other words, that BCS "superiority" is a myth). It's ironic that Utah's venture into the BCS world will help tear it down if they do well. BYU does indeed need Utah to do well. I hope the Utes go 11-1 losing only to BYU.

    On the other hand, Utah needs BYU to do well, too. BYU is a good program that Utah has caught up to in recent years (see Bronco's and Whit's almost identical record, and identical record head-to-head). If BYU fails miserably, it will hurt Utah's credibility. Especially in future years when BYU gets rid of those WAC teams on the schedule and replaces them with big name BCS schools.

    On second thought, neither actually NEEDS the other to do well (whoever is successful will be rewarded), but best case scenario is they both dominate.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 5:57 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    "Money can't buy the kind of publicity the Utes are getting as the first team in the modern BCS era to earn an invite to one of the BCS conferences"

    You've tried to pass off this little piece of disinformation several times. Let's put it to rest.

    Louisville, Rutgers, Connecticut, South Florida, Cincinnati, ever heard of any of them? Yes all were non bcs teams that "earn(ed) an invite to one of the BCS conferences" years before utah did.

    Glad we could straighten that out.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    @JohnyDanger
    ...It is undeniably a good thing that Utah can now lose to BYU and still play for a BCS bowl. Now here's hoping it happens. Best of luck Utes!
    ...

    I hope Utah sends BYU off early in the season into where they belongs....irrelevant team...by beating BYU 28-25

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    note to Swoop...BYU was elected...they did not win a National Championship, since there was no National Championship game to be won in 1984.

    Their election has nominated them as one the least deserving National Champions in history. Beating Michigan in 1984 is hardly claim to any kind of real fame.

    As far as where the PAC 12 ranks as a football conference...those who know put the PAC 12 at #3, behind the SEC and Big Ten, that is ahead of the Big 12, ACC and Big East. With Stanford and Oregon as top 10 programs and USC, although ineligible, still a force, add Utah and you have four very strong teams, maybe a stronger top 4 than the Big Ten.

  • forreal people SLC, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    I just can't believe the story mentioned BYU at the end of a sentance that also mentioned BSU and TCU. BYU has NOTHING in common with those programs, those programs win more, win big games, have perfect seasons, finish atop the polls, and in TCU's case, they actualy finished a season at No. 2, just like Utah.

    BYU has NOTHING to show for thier pathetic atempt to out shine utah since 2004. BYU has never been in a bcs busting conversation.

    BYU showing is worse than the WAC's Hawaii pathetic undeserved appearance in the BCS, byu can't even come close to Hawaii's accomplishments! LOL.

    BSU, TCU - each have two appearances, but that's where the similarities end. Out of four games and three victories, niether team could muster an impressive win. Utah is 2-0, with two blow out victories over ranked bcs foes. TCU is 1-1. BSU is 2-0 with thier first win coming via a trick play on the last play of the game against a much weaker opponant than utah faced.

    BYU- not even in the converasation as one of the great non-aq's of the last decade.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 8, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    @skywalker | 3:33 p.m. Aug. 8, 2011

    Nice try.

    BYU was a legacy program by 1984 with only 5 top 25 finishes and only one top 10 finish in its entire history? Or does BYU football history begin with Edwards in 1972?

    Utah from 2001 to 2008 had two top 5 finishes. More importantly the 2008 team beat 4 top 25 teams (two top 7), BYU in 1984 had a #104 SOS.

    The difference BCS.

    Non-BCS team TCU has two national championships plus:

    2008 11-2 #7
    2009 12-1 #6
    2010 13-0 #2 ... Yet no shot at the national championship

    When was the last time the "legacy" program down south had 3 straight years of top 10? Never, BYU has 3 top 10 finishes all under Edwards in the weak WAC.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Uteology

    Staley's season-ending injury, fatigue from the 6,000 journey from Mississippi to Hawaii, and the bitter disappointment of being told by the BCS that BYU was being released from BCS consideration regardless of the outcome of the Hawaii game, were all factors.

    BYU was supposed to play what was then a ranked Mississippi State team in September, but 9-1-1 postponed the game until the end of the season. Instead of having a week off to rest after an emotional win against Utah, BYU flew to Mississippi to play an SEC opponent on the road, then they had to turn right around and fly to Hawaii to face a very good, and well rested Hawaii team.

    btw, that "worst 12-0 team in history" was good enough to beat an 8-4 Utah team.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 8, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    I actually agree with the idea...as much as it pains this die-hard Cougar to say it. Utah has a lot to prove this year for all the little people, and I for one hope they represent well.

    It is undeniably a good thing that Utah can now lose to BYU and still play for a BCS bowl. Now here's hoping it happens. Best of luck Utes!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    Uteology

    The rule applies to non-legacy programs regardless of which conference they're in. USC might get away with an 8-5 season the previous year; Washington State and Utah, not a chance.

    Compare BYU 1983-1984 to Utah 2003-2004 or Utah 2007-2008, it's not even close.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 8, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    @LonestarRunner: "Actual history shows that BYU was 12-0 before losing the best running back in the country to a season-ending knee injury"

    It seems your entire defense was injured that day as well:

    Hawaii 72
    BYU 45

    @LonestarRunner: "Being undefeated isn't a criteria for winning a national championship...Try putting together two great seasons in a row sometime in your history; back-to-back Top 15 finishes would be a good start."

    Auburn
    2009 - 8-5
    2010 - 14-0 national champion

    I am assuming your rule does not imply to BCS teams? So if Utah, a BCS team, now goes undefeated in one year they have a shot at the title by finishing top 2.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Re: Mid-Major Cougars

    "BYU is the Most Irrelevant Team in the nation."

    Is that the same "irrelevant" team that just picked up a 4-star recruit that the team on the hill so desperately wanted? Too funny!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    mini-major

    The "most important team in the nation" playing in their PAC 12 debut at storied USC, wasn't important enough to be televised by ABC or ESPN. Luckily, Versus came to your rescue or the game may not have been televised at all.

    BYU "irrelevance" = 10 games on ESPN this season

    Utah "most important" = 1 game on ESPN (courtesy of BYU)

    but, it's nice that an obscure writer in Tuscon thinks you're important

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    toosmartforyou,

    I just saying that Hinds is not a typical bYu lock...I don't think he's a cradle to grave kewg. Most if not all bYu players who sign up to bYu go even if bYu didn't have a football program.

    Let's just say bronko will need to go into full powered fireside mode to keep him from getting BCS envy later in the year.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    Uteology

    "The BCS cartel prevented the ONLY undefeated team in the nation a shot at the title in 2008."

    Being undefeated isn't a criteria for winning a national championship. Being
    more than a one-hit wonder, flash-in-the-pan, is more of a factor. Try putting together two great seasons in a row sometime in your history; back-to-back Top 15 finishes would be a good start.

    "Actually, history shows that BYU proved the BCS was correct when in 2001 it overlooked 12-0 BYU for a BCS BERTH."

    Actual history shows that BYU was 12-0 before losing the best running back in the country to a season-ending knee injury. Utah fans wouldn't understand the impact of losing the best running back in the country, because the Utes have never had the best player at any position.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Wouldn't it be ironic if the BCS, having been created so that a team like BYU '84 could never win another national championship, was put out of business by Utah?

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    So Utah is the Most Important Team in the nation this year.

    On the other hand, BYU is the Most Irrelevant Team in the nation.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Wow. Utah is MIT of the major college football world--not the team with most reruns in ESPN/Kbtv.

    It's sure nice to hear that.

    I hope Utah pulls out a 10 or 11 wins in regular season and goes to Pac-12 championship game.

    Go Utes!!!

    Just remember that...the road to Jan 2012 Rose Bowl (Pasadena) is through Salt Lake City.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    "Money can't buy the kind of publicity the Utes are getting as the first team in the modern BCS era to earn an invite to one of the BCS conferences."

    Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida moved from C-USA to the Big East in 2005, SIX years before Utah officially joined the PAC 12.

    "I'm glad BYU has something to crow about today as well with Troy Hinds committing."

    Frankly, I'll take a commitment from a highly sought after 4-star recruit over an obscure article in a Tuscon newspaper, ANYDAY!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    @ hedgehog

    More interesting to see how hedgie and his buddies have spun it....

    Who writes your stuff, hedgie? There's a job in Hollywwod just waiting for them.....you know, the guys who try and make fiction look so appealing millions pay to go see it on the silver screen.

    Whoever writes your fantasies should immediately apply.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 8, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    toosmartforyou
    "after their season last year, starting with Notre Dame, reflections of their losing 27 - 0 to UNLV in Las Vegas come flashing back.

    ----------

    How so, please explain your logic.

    Since being humbled (2-10)@UNLV in 2007 Utah has gone 41-7.

    Those seven loses:

    2007
    @BYU #14 (final AP rankings) 17-10

    2009
    @Oregon #11 31-24
    @TCU #6 55-28
    @BYU #12 BYU 26-23 OT

    2010
    TCU #2 47-7
    @Notre Dame #33 (8-5) 28-3
    vs. Boise State #9 26-3


    So, Utah has lost 6 of the 7 games to top 15 teams overall 4-6 vs top 25 teams not great but respectable.

    So if you want flash back to the 2-10 UNLV look at BYU who got pummeled by #108 Utah State 31 BYU 16.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Aug. 8, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    @Swoop
    There was no BCS cartel in 1984. The BCS cartel prevented the ONLY undefeated team in the nation a shot at the title in 2008.

    Actually, history shows that BYU proved the BCS was correct when in 2001 it overlooked 12-0 BYU for a BCS birth. The worst 12-0 team in history got pummeled and finished 12-2.

    @ute-chute (aka Buster)

    If the Tide wanted to be in the national title game then they should have beat Florida. Similar to 2009 Oregon State in Vegas when they lost to Oregon for a Rose Bowl birth.

    BTW missed FG and bad calls are are part of the game. For example, in 2008 when BYU survived a scare by 0-12 Washington 27-28 because of a bad call that lead to a missed extra point.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    toosmartforyou -

    "I think maybe there's a little too much heat in Arizona to think clearly and deciding suddenly that Utah is the most important team in college football is just plain too funny."

    With the point of the article being that the BCS is the biggest topic in college football on a day-to-day basis - whether for or against it - it's easy to see that Utah is the most important team to watch this year. They're not saying you have to like Utah.
    Please comment again by answering this:
    If Utah was to go to a BCS bowl game in their first year in the Pac12 do you not think it would be a major topic nationally as to the validity of the BCS? Mind you I'm not predicting it to happen, nor would many nationwide...but then that's the exact point of the article, right? And it's the same reason it speaks of BYU and other non-BCS teams as hoping Utah shows up this year or in the next few at least. It would be the strongest point to their argument yet.
    This is not rocket science.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 8, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    "Hopefully BYU's football program will still be relevant in 4 years when Hinds first takes the field in a BYU jersey along with Mangum"

    It will be curious to see if Hinds takes his five offical visits later this year. Notre Dame has proven to be the masters of last minute swaying. It would also be interesting how bronka would handle it....

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Money can't buy the kind of publicity the Utes are getting as the first team in the modern BCS era to earn an invite to one of the BCS conferences. This will pay dividends for a long time.

    I'm glad BYU has something to crow about today as well with Troy Hinds committing. Hopefully BYU's football program will still be relevant in 4 years when Hinds first takes the field in a BYU jersey along with Mangum.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    Look at where this article is coming from: Arizona. Remember them? They persuaded Arizona State to jump ship from the WAC into the PAC 8, makling it into the PAC 10 several years ago. Just how many times during the intervening years has either Arizona State or Arizona won the PAC 10? How many times has either gone to the Rose Bowl or won that contest? I think maybe there's a little too much heat in Arizona to think clearly and deciding suddenly that Utah is the most important team in college football is just plain too funny. I might have agreed with them after the Utes thrashed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl (which I applauded, by-the-way) but after their season last year, starting with Notre Dame, reflections of their losing 27 - 0 to UNLV in Las Vegas come flashing back. But this is great comedy...I love it!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    Ute-chute,

    "Sugar Bowl aganst a Tide team that did not want to be there"

    You didn't see the game did you? Admit it. Most BYU fans who make a comment like this haven't. In the second half the tide came to within one touch down of tying the score. All they had to do was kick off the Utah and force a punt then get the ball back to score again. They were on fire. Instead Utah takes the kick off and goes on a 80 yard drive consuming 7 minutes to seal the deal. The tide were certainly in the game at that point and wanted to be there. Utah was just the better team.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    I follow his rationale but disagree with his conclusion. I still Utah is undefeated every year and loses to BYU every time.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    First - Nice signing of Troy Hinds. So far the Y's recruits are very respectable (several 3 stars and a couple 4 stars). Let's see how it plays out. Last year the Y's signings as of this time was also fairly respectable; however, in the last days of signing the Y signed five 2 stars who collective had 0 other offers. Who of the 87 recruits (Rivals) listing the Y as a school of preference will sign? At the same time who of the 250 recruits (Rivals) listing the U as a school of preference will sign with them?

    Also, does it have to pointed out to you that the quote regarding Utah as past king of the MWC was from the Arizona Citizen paper. Obviously they are the ones with a "Nice utah (sic) fan delusion." Good luck with the 95th easiest (Phil Steele) schedule this year. (I did see where you were favored to beat Idaho State - just as Weber State was.) Hard to imagine a schedule where more than two losses would be a disapointment. Actually it's not too hard to imagine - I see it on your website.

  • Anne26 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Utah has a great opportunity, and I expect them to get better and better as the years go on. With the money that will be coming in, they will be able to continue to build a national program.

    I have to laugh at the BYU fans who feel the need to comment negatively on this article. They are like a broken record: "But we were relevant in the '80's!!" True, but then so was Madonna.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Some of the most hilarious comments I've ever read on these boards:

    ute-chute -

    ...missed FG's and poor clock management by opposing teams, and bad calls to make it to the Sugar Bowl against a Tide team that did not want to be there.

    Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds to anyone outside of Provo? That sentence reeks of stretching very hard to make some sort of point. By the way, what do you make of the 2004 team that had an avg victory margin of over 25 points? I'll assume you'll say something about schedule? EXACTLY the point of the article!

    Dutchman -

    "Sure beats being the most popular school in the nation. LOL"

    Ummmm, okay?

    Swoop -

    "It was BYU forcing the BCS to relax their exclusionary non-AQ rules that allowed Utah to be the first BCS buster."

    Are you serious? That could not be more incorrect, it was BYU that caused the BCS to happen when they went undefeated in '84 and outraged the majority of the nation who knew it wasn't real.

    Keep coming with this stuff guys and the rest of us will keep laughing it up and knocking it down.
    Too easy.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    "The good thing, is the PAC-12 is a mediocre conference right now"

    Ute kewt,

    Strong analysis there champ. The PAC sent two teams to the BCS bowls last year including the National Championship. Both Stanford and Oregon are projected to reach BCS bowls this year as well.

    I won't hold you're ignorance against you, you know no better. bYu was not invited to a conference and thus your knowledge is limited to only what Dick Harmon tells you.

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    I'm glad this Arizona paper ran this article. This is what I've been saying all along. While everyone else has billed the Utes as selling out to the BCS, the fact remains that Utah is still the great non-AQ hope. If Utah can immediately perform in a BCS conference, gone is the argument that non-AQ teams can't compete week in and week out, and hence the door is further opened for other non-AQ teams (like BYU and Boise State).

    Hopefully, this next season or two Utah will still be blazing the way for other non-AQ teams. Go Utes!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Despite the expected BCS bias from the BCS cartel, BYU is the only team in the last 50 years to win a national championship while playing in a non-major conference.

    BYU winning a national championship as a non-AQ independent would shatter ALL of the barriers. BYU doesn't need Utah to do well in the PAC 12 to bust down the BCS barriers. It was BYU forcing the BCS to relax their exclusionary non-AQ rules that allowed Utah to be the first BCS buster.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    @hedgehog | 10:48 a.m. Aug. 8, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI

    "But Boise State cares. TCU also needs Utah to win. Interestingly enough, so does BYU. Any outsider program that wants its 12-0 record to be taken seriously needs the Utes to find big success in their new home."

    Yes bYu fans, as much as it might pain you to admitt.. you need big brother to do well.
    **********

    What you're telling us, is that BSU, TCU and BYU are all screwed?

    Kyle Whit had the perfect storm of luck, missed FG's and poor clock management by opposing teams, and bad calls to make it to the Sugar Bowl aganst a Tide team that did not want to be there.

    All non-AQ teams would be better off if BSU or TCU were the team that had to prove it.

    The good thing, is the PAC-12 is a mediocre conference right now.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    "U. most important team in nation"

    Sure beats being the most popular school in the nation. LOL

    There is certainly a lot more riding on this than who is the most popular.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Some great stuff in the Red Roundup today.
    The "Most Important Team In College Football" article was spot on and the article on Shaky Smithson was fantastic.
    Man I hope Shaky sticks with the Packers and sees the field...it'll be tough with all their talent at wide receiver but how cool is it he didn't back away from that competition?! He could have picked an easier roster to make but wanted to be in Green Bay for many of the same reasons he went to Utah. What a stud!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    @wedgie

    Obviously it isn't hurting BYU's recruiting. Or should I say 'Troy Hinds'! LOL! You won't post in that article now will you.

    @who am i sir

    When you only win the conference championship twice in 11 years it hardly makes you the "king". LOL! Nice utah "fan" delusion.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Aug. 8, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    "But Boise State cares. TCU also needs Utah to win. Interestingly enough, so does BYU. Any outsider program that wants its 12-0 record to be taken seriously needs the Utes to find big success in their new home."

    Yes bYu fans, as much as it might pain you to admitt.. you need big brother to do well.

    Hoping and praying the Utes are a bottome feeder does bYu no good, infact it hurts you're fragile independent attempt.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Aug. 8, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    That's a no-brainer :)

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    "The Utah Utes are the most important team in college football" (I've always felt this.) by Scott Terrell on Aug. 08, 2011, under Sports Tucson Citizen.

    Quotes from the article include: The Utes went to (and won) two BCS bowl games as members of the Mountain West Conference. If they can do the same against a Pac-12 schedule it breaks down the final barrier for the so-called Non-Automatic Qualifying conferences. But Boise State (the new king of the MWC, next to Utah, the old king) cares (If Utah wins in the PAC-12) . TCU also needs Utah to win. Interestingly enough, so does BYU. Any outsider program that wants its 12-0 record to be taken seriously needs the Utes to find big success in their new home.

    What a year this should be! Is that a "Go Utes!" I hear from accross the nation?