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  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    I read an article the other day that said that the Big East is looking for another football playing member even though they just added TCU. Sounded like the team could join just to play football. So how come BYU is not their hot prospect? If BYU wants to play games in the east it seems they would be all over this possibility. Too difficult to be rejected twice.

    Pete in Texas and Mussing a Round,

    ".....that would be liberal enough...."

    Since both of you disparage liberalism you both must loathe the ACLU. Did you know the BYU law school puts out a lot of ACLU attorneys? At least two of the past Executive Directors of the ACLU for Utah have been graduates of the BYU law school. Maybe some of them will file a law suit to force BYU to open their rec centers on Sunday. LOL

    Tom Hanson, the former commissioner of the PAC 10 is on record stating that Utah and Colorado were almost added to the PAC 10 in 2004. That is well before any move was made to add teams from Texas.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    At coug fan tx AND KH:

    Utah has won 1 out of the last 1.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Oklahoma 2009 was obviously a much better team than Pittsburgh 2004, but I'm not sure you can compare the stages. Playing the first college game in the Dallas Cowboys brand new stadium to start the season was a cool story, but to say that is a bigger stage than the Utes being the first BCS busters is a bit of a reach.

    Let's just say that both games were signature wins for the respective programs.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    MiP

    Resorting to percentages is grossly misleading.

    The Sooners scored 7 points before Bradford was injured; 6 points after he was injured; 10 points in the first half and 3 points in the 2nd half.

    BYU had already rattled Bradford's cage several times during the first half.

    What makes you think BYU's defense wouldn't have been even more agressive in attacking Bradford in the second half?

    The way things were going, it's more likely that Bradford would have been hit while throwing, causing a fumble or an intercepted pass, than that Bradford would have turned things around and been more effective in the 2nd half.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    MiP

    Oklahoma 2009 8-5
    lost to #12 BYU(11-2) 14-13
    lost at #19 Miami(9-4) 21-20
    lost to #2 Texas(13-1) 16-13
    lost at #14 Nebraska(10-4) 10-3
    lost at #21 Texas Tech(9-4) 41-13
    beat #25 Oklahoma St(9-4) 27-0
    beat Stanford(8-5) 31-27 in the Sun Bowl

    Even without Bradford, four of Oklahoma's five losses were by a combined 12 points to four Top 25 teams with a combined record of 43-11.

    Pittsburgh 2004 8-4
    lost to unranked Nebraska(5-6) 24-17
    lost at unranked Connecticut(8-4) 29-17
    beat #21 Boston College(9-3) 20-17 OT
    lost at unranked Syracuse(6-6) 38-31
    lost to #4 Utah(12-0) 35-7 in the Fiesta Bowl

    Pittsburgh lost to three unranked teams with a combined record of 19-16 and finished in a four-way tie for first at 4-2 in a pathetic seven team league.

    Anybody who would argue that Pittsburgh was even half the team Oklahoma was, simply because the Panthers had one less loss, doesn't know anything about college football.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    The Pac-12 is here. Get used to it.

    "TheSportsAuthority | 6:29 p.m. Aug. 4, 2011
    Arlington, VA
    "That season-opening victory over a storied #3-ranked program like Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment on the national stage..."

    It's hard to believe there are so many Y fans on here that think that BYU beating an eventual 8-5 OU team (by 1 point) is more prestigious on a national stage than blowing an opponent out in a BCS game and finishing undefeated. Plus the main reason that OU game was a big story...was Sam Bradford's season ending injury.

    That OU finished with 5 losses is significant. Utah beat a storied ranked program on the road in 2008-Michigan-but any Y fan will tell you that win was tainted.

    Swoop,
    I watched the game. I cheered for BYU. The play after the injury the Sooners were up 10-7. The fact that the Sooners managed only 30% of the points they got in the first half---and only lost by 1, tells me that BYU probably would have lost. But injuries are a part of the game and BYU won.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    "U like to take credit for beating a "nationally ranked" Michigan team in 2008 that finished the season 3-9, while discrediting BYUs win over an Oklahoma team that was about 100 times better."

    CougfaninTexas,

    No Utah fan takes pride in beating that horrible Michigan team in 2008. We do take proud, however, in beating #6 Alabama, #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, and #25 byu. One of those games was a blowout. Can you guess which one?

    "All that really matters is that BYU has won 3 of the last 5 against U - soon to be 4 of the last 6. "

    CougfaninTexas,

    I can be selective in my stats as well. Watch:

    Utah has won 2 of 3 and 6 of 9.
    And scoreboard last year 17-16

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    "KH

    That season-opening victory over a storied #3-ranked program like Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment on the national stage than a season-ending victory over a barely ranked team that didn't even deserve to be playing in a BcS game. BYU didn't finish the season undefeated, but BYU did have a bigger win on the national stage."

    The Sports Authority,

    The then ranked #3 Oklahoma finished unranked and barely bowl eligible. Who cares who Utah played in the Fiesta bowl. I admit Pitt was not that good of a team but they were ranked in the top 25 (something Oklahoma was not at the end of the season).

    The fact is this: Utah went undefeated that year and deserved to be in a bcs game. byu beat a preseason ranked team (which we all know means nothing) who was obviously not as good as advertised. And you call that season opening win a greater accomplishment than Utah's first BCS game, regardless of who they played? It took an undefeated season to get there which is something byu hasn't had in nearly 30 years.

    The logic of some byu fans. Ha.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    Moderate

    And beating an 8-4 team that finished in a four-way tie for first in the pathetic Big Least is supposed to be more impressive.

    Bradford was being held in check by BYU's defense throughout the first half, his 10 completions in 14 attempts went for a meer 94 yards. His longest completed pass was only 17 yards and most of his completed passes were for less than 10 yards. What single shred of evidence do you have to show that Bradford would have been anymore effective in the 2nd half.

    If Jake Heaps was completely shut down in the first half against Utah this year, would you really buy the argument that BYU would have won the game if Jake hadn't been injured on the 2nd to last play of the 1st half?

    Take off your crimson-colored glasses and just face reality that BYU would have been just as likely to beat Oklahoma with or without Bradford in the 2nd half.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Swoop
    You are absolutely correct. I apologize.

    When a team spends their entire spring and fall practice building around one quarterback, losing that quarterback in the first half of the first game should make no difference at all.

    You have convinced me.

    I am certain that BYU could pull Jake Heaps after the first half of the upcoming Ole Miss game, keep Riley Nelson benched (he has experience) and win the game handily with a quarterback that had no college game experience.

    We can banter back and forth all day about game details, but it doesn't change the fact that BYU "went toe to toe" with an OU team that finished 7-5 in the regular season... Bob Stoops worst record. Impressive. More impressive will be seeing if you can beat 5-7 Texas by more than a point.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 4, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    U like to take credit for beating a "nationally ranked" Michigan team in 2008 that finished the season 3-9, while discrediting BYUs win over an Oklahoma team that was about 100 times better.

    All that really matters is that BYU has won 3 of the last 5 against U - soon to be 4 of the last 6.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    Moderate

    "The Sooners were without their starting quarterback for more than 1/2 the game."

    If you'd actually watched the game you'd know that the game was tied 7-7 when Bradford was injured, and Oklahoma kicked a FG on the next play to go up 10-7 with 2 seconds left in the first half. In other words, Bradford played the ENTIRE first half and BYU held Bradford to 94 yards passing and 1 TD. Max Hall finished with 329 yards passing and 2 TDs. Nothing in those numbers indicates that the Sooners would have won the game if Bradford hadn't been injured. In fact, Bradford had already taken several hard hits, including the previous play before he was injured.

    BYU took the lead 14-13 with 3:30, after a 78 yard drive that burned up over 8 minutes. Are you really going to try to make the case that Bradford would have made a difference in stopping that drive?

    The Sooners last FG try with 1:28 left was from FIFTY-FOUR yards. Not even close to being a seriously makeable FG try, and it missed badly.

    Feel free to watch a replay anytime on BYUtv.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 4, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    KH

    That season-opening victory over a storied #3-ranked program like Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment on the national stage than a season-ending victory over a barely ranked team that didn't even deserve to be playing in a BcS game. BYU didn't finish the season undefeated, but BYU did have a bigger win on the national stage.

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    Brave Sir Robin

    Your childish gibberish isn't worth anything more than disingenious personal attack.

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    MidMajor4ever

    What you failed to mention was that BYU has MANY more seasons that were better than Utah 10-3, 18th ranked season.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    Re: Jealous U

    You know you've won the smack war when the BYU fans have nothing left but disingenious personal attacks.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    @cordonbleu

    "And what happened after they beat Oklahoma?

    They finished the season 11-2, beating #18th-ranked Utah(10-3), and destroying then #16-ranked Oregon State in their bowl, to finish ranked #12 in both polls.

    Utah has only had three seasons in their entire history that were better, 2004, 2008, and 1994 (marginally)."

    Hahahaha, hey guy, you failed to mention that byu has only had three seasons in their entire history that were better as well 1983, 1984 and 1996!

    So much for the "legacy program"!!

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    "Did I mention that BYU tried to get into the WAC....and failed?"

    Thanks for sharing. Now get back to working on your homework or you're going to have to stay in during recess.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    "It's too bad Bradford was injured (on a clean play) or the Sooners would have been a Top 10 team in 2009.

    Compare that to Utah's Fiesta Bowl win over an 8-4 Pittsburgh team that back-doored their way into a BCS game by finishing in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least."

    You're right, uteBusters, that Oklahoma win doesn't even compare to the 2004 undefeated Utes who finished in the top 5.

    byu fans are the only fans in the country that think a season opening victory over a team that finished the season 7-5 is better than an undefeated season and a top 5 ranking.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Re: uteBusters

    That's a very compelling argument.

    Did I mention that BYU tried to get into the WAC....and failed?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    RE: UteBusters
    The Sooners were without their starting quarterback for more than 1/2 the game. BYU "performed spectacularly" going up by 1 point with 3 minutes to go, and the Sooners still could have won the game if they made that field goal.

    Funny how you want "full credit" for what the Sooners might have been.

    Here is my prediction for the Texas game. Texas is nationally regarded as having an off year. They have 4 quarterbacks vying for the start (in otherwords, they have no quarterback). They are expected to finish 5th in the Big 12. BYU has a very good chance of winning that game. How will you describe the victory?

    "Remember that great game where Vince Young led Texas in a last minute drive to beat USC and claim the national championship? Well, BYU beat Texas, so look how great WE are."

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    It doesn't matter what happened afterward.

    Oklahoma was ranked #3, had a returning Heisman Trophy winning QB, had three of the first four players selected in the NFL draft, had played in the BCS championship game the previous year, and was one of the pre-season favorites to win the national championship in 2009.

    The national stage was set and BYU performed spectacularly.

    It's too bad Bradford was injured (on a clean play) or the Sooners would have been a Top 10 team in 2009.

    Compare that to Utah's Fiesta Bowl win over an 8-4 Pittsburgh team that back-doored their way into a BCS game by finishing in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Man, this Pac 12 invite has really brought these jealous ute-haters out of the woodwork hasn't it?

    I don't think the Pac considers what happened "6 decades" ago to be as much of an indicator about the direction of our program, as they do what Utah has accomplished in the past decade. The timing for our success couldn't have been better.

    I don't blame you for being obsessed with Utah though- I agree we've been a much more interesting program to watch lately.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    chicagoborn

    "And what happened after they beat Oklahoma?"

    They finished the season 11-2, beating #18th-ranked Utah(10-3), and destroying then #16-ranked Oregon State in their bowl, to finish ranked #12 in both polls.

    Utah has only had three seasons in their entire history that were better, 2004, 2008, and 1994 (marginally).

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    And what happened after they beat Oklahoma? Didn't they get taken out to the woodshed by Florida State and then hang on for an overtime victory over a freshman QB against Utah. From beating Oklahoma and then choking down the stretch like always and ending up in the Las Vegas bowl.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    Pete in Texas | 12:02 p.m. Aug. 4, 2011
    Copperas Cove, TX

    If independance is so great, why do you care the reason for Utah's invite? Oh I understand, playing a WAC schedule really hurts.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    Re: Just the FAX

    Like it or not, BYU tried to get into the WAC and failed.

    Maybe what matters on the "national stage" isn't what you think. For instance, beating an Oklahoma team that went 7-5 and ended up unranked didn't seem to have much sway on the conference commissioners around the country...not even the WAC's.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    MAFU

    "Your "legacy" program has done nothing on the National stage since 1996."

    BYU's legacy program beat then #3-ranked Oklahoma in a made-for-national-television matchup in the Jerry Dome in 2009.

    BYU also finished in the Top 15 three of the last five years, versus only once for Utah.

    Like it or not, that is on the national stage.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 4, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    UofU: founded in 1850 - building Utah's "legacy" since 2004

    but, they've been dreaming of joining the PAC 12 for 25 years; all those 2 and 3 and 4 win seasons, and that one Top 25 finish from 1965 to 2002 must have really had the PAC 10 giddy with excitement over the possibility of someday inviting the Utes to join their liberal little clan.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Petey:

    Time to get out of the hot Texas sun and find some shade, Bro.

    Your "legacy" program has done nothing on the National stage since 1996. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's the truth. Conference championships, Top-15 rankings, magical coins, and cute t-shirts didn't get you an invite to the adult table. Sorry.

    The landscape of College Football changed with the creation of the BCS my friend. While I am not a fan of the system, the "flash in the pan" program got in done twice. End of story.

    Living outside of Zion you should be well aware that sabbath play in college and now youth sports is a common occurrence, and is not something new that was created by "liberal" colleges.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    cougar pete,

    I'm still laughing at your post! Can you say "sour grapes"? "Delusional"? "Obsessed with big brother"? "Jealousy"? "Denial"?

    Enjoy your mid-major "legacy"! I'm sure the PAC-12 would have offered your school if only they would have participated in Sunday sporting events (wink wink)! LOL

    Good luck Coach Whittingham! Go Utes!

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    @texas pete
    So what's your point? Besides Texas, there are no other universities in the west besides Utah and Colorado that are attractive to the PAC-12. The fact is Oklahoma and the other texas schools were in the same situation as the Utes. The Pac 10 didn't want them unless Texas accepts the bid. So tell that to Okalhoma fans that they were not wanted by the Pac 10. BTW, some polls are putting Oklahoma is the #1 team right now. Texas is regarded by many publications as the #1 school as far as fan base. I'm sure the SEC or any BCS conference would want them to join?

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Aug. 4, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Whittingham:"It's a tribute to many, many, many great athletes that have come through our athletic department and the many great coaches who have laid the groundwork for something like this to happen."

    C'mon, coach!? Let's be honest here.... the reason the Utes are in the PAC 12 is because the PAC didn't have really any other choices. You think they dreamed of "strengthening" their conference by adding Colorado, who hasn't had a decent team for almost 2 decades and by adding the Utes, who have won like 6 conference championships in 6 decades? Pfffft! Nice.

    The PAC needed 2 other teams to be able to create a conference championship and bring in more revenue for them. They certainly didn't want the Utes with a tv viewing audience of maybe 100,000 households, but since the teams they truly wanted to bring in from the Big 12 already told them "no", the only viable option was the two colleges that had a little history that would be liberal enough to allow their teams to participate in Sunday sports among other criteria. Those of us who are older than teenagers know how "legacy" is different from "flash in the pan".