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Published: Thursday, Aug. 4 2011 11:16 a.m. MDT

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Pete in Texas
Copperas Cove, TX

Whittingham:"It's a tribute to many, many, many great athletes that have come through our athletic department and the many great coaches who have laid the groundwork for something like this to happen."

C'mon, coach!? Let's be honest here.... the reason the Utes are in the PAC 12 is because the PAC didn't have really any other choices. You think they dreamed of "strengthening" their conference by adding Colorado, who hasn't had a decent team for almost 2 decades and by adding the Utes, who have won like 6 conference championships in 6 decades? Pfffft! Nice.

The PAC needed 2 other teams to be able to create a conference championship and bring in more revenue for them. They certainly didn't want the Utes with a tv viewing audience of maybe 100,000 households, but since the teams they truly wanted to bring in from the Big 12 already told them "no", the only viable option was the two colleges that had a little history that would be liberal enough to allow their teams to participate in Sunday sports among other criteria. Those of us who are older than teenagers know how "legacy" is different from "flash in the pan".

9er4life
Provo, UT

@texas pete
So what's your point? Besides Texas, there are no other universities in the west besides Utah and Colorado that are attractive to the PAC-12. The fact is Oklahoma and the other texas schools were in the same situation as the Utes. The Pac 10 didn't want them unless Texas accepts the bid. So tell that to Okalhoma fans that they were not wanted by the Pac 10. BTW, some polls are putting Oklahoma is the #1 team right now. Texas is regarded by many publications as the #1 school as far as fan base. I'm sure the SEC or any BCS conference would want them to join?

MidMajor4ever
Syracuse, UT

cougar pete,

I'm still laughing at your post! Can you say "sour grapes"? "Delusional"? "Obsessed with big brother"? "Jealousy"? "Denial"?

Enjoy your mid-major "legacy"! I'm sure the PAC-12 would have offered your school if only they would have participated in Sunday sporting events (wink wink)! LOL

Good luck Coach Whittingham! Go Utes!

MAFU
Salt Lake City, UT

Petey:

Time to get out of the hot Texas sun and find some shade, Bro.

Your "legacy" program has done nothing on the National stage since 1996. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's the truth. Conference championships, Top-15 rankings, magical coins, and cute t-shirts didn't get you an invite to the adult table. Sorry.

The landscape of College Football changed with the creation of the BCS my friend. While I am not a fan of the system, the "flash in the pan" program got in done twice. End of story.

Living outside of Zion you should be well aware that sabbath play in college and now youth sports is a common occurrence, and is not something new that was created by "liberal" colleges.

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

UofU: founded in 1850 - building Utah's "legacy" since 2004

but, they've been dreaming of joining the PAC 12 for 25 years; all those 2 and 3 and 4 win seasons, and that one Top 25 finish from 1965 to 2002 must have really had the PAC 10 giddy with excitement over the possibility of someday inviting the Utes to join their liberal little clan.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

MAFU

"Your "legacy" program has done nothing on the National stage since 1996."

BYU's legacy program beat then #3-ranked Oklahoma in a made-for-national-television matchup in the Jerry Dome in 2009.

BYU also finished in the Top 15 three of the last five years, versus only once for Utah.

Like it or not, that is on the national stage.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Re: Just the FAX

Like it or not, BYU tried to get into the WAC and failed.

Maybe what matters on the "national stage" isn't what you think. For instance, beating an Oklahoma team that went 7-5 and ended up unranked didn't seem to have much sway on the conference commissioners around the country...not even the WAC's.

1984 for life
Salt Lake City, UT

Pete in Texas | 12:02 p.m. Aug. 4, 2011
Copperas Cove, TX

If independance is so great, why do you care the reason for Utah's invite? Oh I understand, playing a WAC schedule really hurts.

chicagoborn
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

And what happened after they beat Oklahoma? Didn't they get taken out to the woodshed by Florida State and then hang on for an overtime victory over a freshman QB against Utah. From beating Oklahoma and then choking down the stretch like always and ending up in the Las Vegas bowl.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

chicagoborn

"And what happened after they beat Oklahoma?"

They finished the season 11-2, beating #18th-ranked Utah(10-3), and destroying then #16-ranked Oregon State in their bowl, to finish ranked #12 in both polls.

Utah has only had three seasons in their entire history that were better, 2004, 2008, and 1994 (marginally).

truthsandwich
RANDOLPH, UT

Man, this Pac 12 invite has really brought these jealous ute-haters out of the woodwork hasn't it?

I don't think the Pac considers what happened "6 decades" ago to be as much of an indicator about the direction of our program, as they do what Utah has accomplished in the past decade. The timing for our success couldn't have been better.

I don't blame you for being obsessed with Utah though- I agree we've been a much more interesting program to watch lately.

uteBusters
Park City, UT

Brave Sir Robin

It doesn't matter what happened afterward.

Oklahoma was ranked #3, had a returning Heisman Trophy winning QB, had three of the first four players selected in the NFL draft, had played in the BCS championship game the previous year, and was one of the pre-season favorites to win the national championship in 2009.

The national stage was set and BYU performed spectacularly.

It's too bad Bradford was injured (on a clean play) or the Sooners would have been a Top 10 team in 2009.

Compare that to Utah's Fiesta Bowl win over an 8-4 Pittsburgh team that back-doored their way into a BCS game by finishing in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: UteBusters
The Sooners were without their starting quarterback for more than 1/2 the game. BYU "performed spectacularly" going up by 1 point with 3 minutes to go, and the Sooners still could have won the game if they made that field goal.

Funny how you want "full credit" for what the Sooners might have been.

Here is my prediction for the Texas game. Texas is nationally regarded as having an off year. They have 4 quarterbacks vying for the start (in otherwords, they have no quarterback). They are expected to finish 5th in the Big 12. BYU has a very good chance of winning that game. How will you describe the victory?

"Remember that great game where Vince Young led Texas in a last minute drive to beat USC and claim the national championship? Well, BYU beat Texas, so look how great WE are."

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Re: uteBusters

That's a very compelling argument.

Did I mention that BYU tried to get into the WAC....and failed?

KH
Holladay, UT

"It's too bad Bradford was injured (on a clean play) or the Sooners would have been a Top 10 team in 2009.

Compare that to Utah's Fiesta Bowl win over an 8-4 Pittsburgh team that back-doored their way into a BCS game by finishing in a four-way tie for first in the seven-team Big Least."

You're right, uteBusters, that Oklahoma win doesn't even compare to the 2004 undefeated Utes who finished in the top 5.

byu fans are the only fans in the country that think a season opening victory over a team that finished the season 7-5 is better than an undefeated season and a top 5 ranking.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

Brave Sir Robin

"Did I mention that BYU tried to get into the WAC....and failed?"

Thanks for sharing. Now get back to working on your homework or you're going to have to stay in during recess.

MidMajor4ever
Syracuse, UT

@cordonbleu

"And what happened after they beat Oklahoma?

They finished the season 11-2, beating #18th-ranked Utah(10-3), and destroying then #16-ranked Oregon State in their bowl, to finish ranked #12 in both polls.

Utah has only had three seasons in their entire history that were better, 2004, 2008, and 1994 (marginally)."

Hahahaha, hey guy, you failed to mention that byu has only had three seasons in their entire history that were better as well 1983, 1984 and 1996!

So much for the "legacy program"!!

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Re: Jealous U

You know you've won the smack war when the BYU fans have nothing left but disingenious personal attacks.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

KH

That season-opening victory over a storied #3-ranked program like Oklahoma was a much greater accomplishment on the national stage than a season-ending victory over a barely ranked team that didn't even deserve to be playing in a BcS game. BYU didn't finish the season undefeated, but BYU did have a bigger win on the national stage.

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Brave Sir Robin

Your childish gibberish isn't worth anything more than disingenious personal attack.

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MidMajor4ever

What you failed to mention was that BYU has MANY more seasons that were better than Utah 10-3, 18th ranked season.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Moderate

"The Sooners were without their starting quarterback for more than 1/2 the game."

If you'd actually watched the game you'd know that the game was tied 7-7 when Bradford was injured, and Oklahoma kicked a FG on the next play to go up 10-7 with 2 seconds left in the first half. In other words, Bradford played the ENTIRE first half and BYU held Bradford to 94 yards passing and 1 TD. Max Hall finished with 329 yards passing and 2 TDs. Nothing in those numbers indicates that the Sooners would have won the game if Bradford hadn't been injured. In fact, Bradford had already taken several hard hits, including the previous play before he was injured.

BYU took the lead 14-13 with 3:30, after a 78 yard drive that burned up over 8 minutes. Are you really going to try to make the case that Bradford would have made a difference in stopping that drive?

The Sooners last FG try with 1:28 left was from FIFTY-FOUR yards. Not even close to being a seriously makeable FG try, and it missed badly.

Feel free to watch a replay anytime on BYUtv.

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