Hatch says debt deal makes positive steps, but falls short of his support


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  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 3, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    Oh dear, Hatch says debt deal makes positive steps, but falls short of his support, guess he won't be on a postage stamp when he leaves Office in 2012. Oh I am sure, this will curl the toes of many in Utah. Russia honors Obama with postage stamp for 50th birthday. Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister of Russia, and former head of the KGB, rules as de facto czar of enormous empire that spans 11 time zones. A confirmed and dedicated Communist, Putin has decided that Russia should publicly honor another fellow socialist on his 50th birthday. Russia's Post Office has issued a collection of stamps and envelopes to mark the 50th jubilee of the US President Barack Obama. The US leader is celebrating his birthday on the 4th of August. In one of his recent interviews Mr. Obama said that fifty years ago nobody could imagine Russia and the US as partners. He added that confrontation ended together with the Cold War.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    Strong words from a man who voted FOR giving oil companies subsidies a couple of months ago.

    'Guess they paid for his dinner.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Flip flop, flip flop... The blame game, take credit and lay fault.

    I know my memory will be in good shape in 2012. The me, me, me politicians need to be retired from their "careers".

    We need "Term Limits" in Congress and in the Senate. Flip Flop Hatch ran on term limits 30 years ago. It's time to perform on your promises Orrin. After all, your word is your bond. Or maybe not.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Aug. 3, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Say what you will about Bob Bennett, he was a statesman. Mike Lee has a LOT to learn

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    @ Daryl Acumen

    "when it comes right down to it only the BITE of a Constitutional Amendment requiring Congress to submit a balanced budget to the president that caps spending at 18% of GDP is ever going to get this government in line."

    Not to argue the point, but based on history, do you believe that just because we ratify an amendment requiring a balanced budget that congress will obey the law?

    I'm hopeful but past performance would indicate otherwise.

  • ReaganFan Midvale, Utah
    Aug. 3, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    rickski13: Senator Hatch has voted against the debt ceiling 16 times. Facts are stubborn things, but you can't just choose to ignore them when they don't advance your agenda. The Senator has been a strong fiscal conservative all throughout his time in the Senate and his 90 % life rating from the American Conservative Union demonstrates as much. Utah has the perfect combination in place with Senators Hatch & Lee; residents of the Beehive State would be wise to keep that strong voice that we have in them.

  • WellBehavedWomen Highland, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Thank you to Senator Hatch and Senator Lee for holding the line in the debt ceiling raise. The Obama administration calls this action radical but I think continually spending this country into oblivion is the very definition of radical. Thank goodness for fiscally conservative radicals representing our state in the Senate.

  • Daryl Acumen PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    This isn't science and I'm surprised so few people on this thread "get it." Federal revenues average 18% of GDP regardless of tax rates. Spending is currently 25% and the Democrats, especially Obama, want to keep it above 24% of GDP forever. This is simply not sustainable! Spending needs to come back to 18% of GDP...period! We talk and talk about this, we appoint commissions to talk about this, we tinker around the edges, we play word games, but when it comes right down to it only the BITE of a Constitutional Amendment requiring Congress to submit a balanced budget to the president that caps spending at 18% of GDP is ever going to get this government in line.

    Hatch gets this, the Democrats do not!

    It's very simple math people. It has nothing to do with taxes and everything to do with spending. Reagan and both Bushes raised the debt ceiling (with Hatch), but they hadn't burned a trillion dollars the year before in the name of "stimulus."

    Fact: If we hadn't wasted money on garbage like studying ant-hills in Africa in 2009, we wouldn't need to raise the debt ceiling right now.

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    I find it interesting how everyone keeps talking about jobs creation (except the politicians) but we have no problem watching jobs get shipped over seas for cheap labor and so we can "help" these other countries. Forget them! Help us! Stop exporting jobs, stop importing everything from food to T.V.s, stop sending billions of dollars in foreign aid that we have to borrow to send, start letting the rest of the world fix their own problems and focus on what is happening here! We USED to be a great country, self supporting and independent. But all the political parties ON BOTH SIDES have done over the years is make us dependent on everyone else in the world. Time to get rid of the problem, and start over. Hatch and all the rest who have been in office more than 2 or 3 terms need to go. It's time.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    They want to address the debt crisis now and not later. This bill did not impress the bond rating agencies or investors who see it as a cop out. Who knows what will happen with the special panel as legislators hide behind its recommendations. In the past the recommendations of bipartisan commissions have been ignored.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    An interesting question is, do these senators and congressmen who vote against a measure already know it is going to pass? This makes all the difference.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    @ Jonathan Eddy
    Well said, if a bit ranting.

    I found this article to be completely disingenuous. How many times did Hatch blame the Dems for spending? 6? 7? Does he not understand that Defense spending is also (mis)using my tax dollars? It's all spending. He has been voting for spending, tax and debt ceiling increases the whole 35 years he has been there.

    Time for term limits??!!

    What is more, he is a ranking member of the Finance committee, responsible for 50% of the federal spending.

    He is not alone in his hypocrisy. 90% of congress is right there with him.

    It's crunch time, people! I suggest you vote Independent or Libertarian, vote out long-time incumbent Rs and Ds, and get some folks into Congress who will do what is best for the Country, not beholden to big business, or oil, or defense contractors, or minorities, or the ACLU, or any other special interest.

    The system is broken, and WE have the power to fix it. But not if we leave the same old tired representatives to the same old tired rhetoric.

    Vote for change. Vote for revolution. Our future, and our children's future depend on it.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Remember this when election time comes around. These two are completely unwilling to compromise. If they're not part of the solution then they are part of the problem. Vote them both out of office.

  • ER in EUR Belgrade, Serbia
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    I have been an admirer of Sen. Hatch for many years. Now I think of Joe Montana playing out his career in Kansas City. Doing whatever he could to stay in the game just a little longer. Not remembered for his great run in SF, but his efforts to hang on.

    Hatch will not be remembered for his understanding of how to be a true statesman, but for desending into being a puppet for the extremist un-educated, selfish tea party.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    The Democrats are to blame for overspending Mr. Hatch?

    Do you really believe Americans are that ignorant? (Granted, as a whole, Americans probably are.)

    Sir, please! Blame does not lie in Democrats versus Republican versus Tea Partiers, taxes or spending or budgets or debt ceilings. It's a shame that after decades in office you still don't get it. More scary is that you DO get it but choose to look the other way.

    Mr. Hatch, you are too smart not to know this. It is all about the law. There are two governing laws in America; Constitutional law and fascist governmental corporate law. You, sir, are more influence by the latter and because of your choice to believe more in corporatism we suffer.

    International corporations that control representatives like you now control our American way of life and the results have been horrific. Manufacturing is a wasteland. Poverty. Homelessness. Home ownership is dying. National and personal debt is ridiculous. National pride comes in only one form; military prowess. Our only saving grace is that Americans are still good people that continue to give despite their circumstance.

    Please Mr. Hatch, stand by the Constitution. Be an example to your peers.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    Our senators vote no on a law that that is moderate, fair, and vitally important for the future success of our country, so I will vote no to get them reelected.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Aug. 3, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    We need to vote these jokers out of office and vote in some true Independents who do not owe their souls to the large corporations and special interests groups, including the ultra-right-wing nut jobs who've infiltrated lately, we need level headed, rational and reasonable people in office, no fanatical ideologs on either side, no tea-baggers, no religious quacks, just level headed human beings who are capable of making tough decisions that will benefit the best interests of all Americans.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    It's fun to shop and use a credit card, but what happens when we hit the credit limit? The fun is over. For the US government though, they just raise their spending limit. This is foolish.

    The longer we wait to correct it, the bigger the correction will have to be. Just look at Greece. Is it going to take riots and ruin before we do the right thing?

  • Samaritan01 Yuma, CO.
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    It does seem like Sen. Orrin Hatch is attempting to appear Conservative in preparation for the 2012 election.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Could we possibly expect less?

    Two reps from Utah and they represent their own hope for re-election rather than the voice of the people.

    If there had been no agreement I bet these two yokels would not have been bragging about the debacle the country would have been in.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    As in his entire political career, Senator Hatch will continue to ride the fence until he no longer holds the office.

    This man has constantly and without fail assessed the political climate in the state he "represents" and find a way to secure the support of the majority.

    In an email asking about the jeopardy Social Security retirement and disability benefits might be in, he replied to me by stating that he was coauthor of Senate Bill 2014 wherein he continues to support Social Security and seniors and the disableds' rights.

    Yesterday when it was clear that the debt bill would indeed pass, he saw himself free to cast a no vote, thereby making it appear that he supports the agenda of the Tea Party.

    That, of course, is his main objective now as he is fearful that Representative Jason Chaffetz is about to do to him what Mike Lee did to Bob Bennett and he, too, will find himself defeated at the polls.

    Senator Hatch is as slippery as any politician who has held the office. He will, as long as he is in office and physically able to run, say and do anything to win an election.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    Everyone out there should Google up "Policy Changes Under Two Presidents" if the want to see the truth.

    This examines New Policies under Bush and Obama. NEW policies that changed the flow of our tax dollars without including continuing policies from previous administrations.

    What does it show? Under Bush, $5.07 billion in new spending. Under Obama, $1.44 billion -- with a $126 billion saving in defense spending.

    Under Bush: $1.47 trillion in unfunded wars; $1.81 trillion in tax cuts; $608 billion in non-defense discretionary spending (Obama = $278 billion) and so on.

    Take a look at this report and then tell us WHO is the more profligate spender?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    @Brother Chuck Schroeder "The billionaire brothers have funded and fostered the Tea Party movement" The CA. Lib has struck again. Does the name George Soros ring a bell, a man proven to incite financial chaos. He seems to me to be funding your side of the fence. Like the Great Pretender!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    Hatch did this for theatrics. I wouldn't be suprised if he is on the republicrat super congress that will led us to a dictatorship.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Aug. 3, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    The 12 member super congress will unconstitutionally have the power to override any vote the other members of congress vote No on if it's something the ruling class wants done or doesn't want done.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 6:39 a.m.

    They are both officially useless.

  • Keith43 Highlands Ranch, CO
    Aug. 3, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    That's right people! Just continue to play the blame game, which is what both parties and the media want you to do. While they continue to placate the people, they've yet to make any serious decision that would provide the medicine this economy needs. A balanced budget amendment is a MUST. But, it must go further than that - all politics must be set aside and tough decisions made. As I've said in previous posts posts however, I fear it is too late. BOTH parties have dug us into a hole that is too deep to climb out of. Keep your eye on China. When they drop the dollar as the favored currency and Standard and Poor's drops our rating, it's all over! And Washington's continued "knee-jerk" reactions (the federal reserve included), won't do a thing.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 4:35 a.m.

    Although I think Hatch is trustfully repentance for his past behavior due to ignorance and he is now on the right path of the right choices for the right reasons he should turn over his seat to a younger and more energetic statesman to carry on his new found beliefs.

    Hatch has the ability and in the proper place in national government to become a statesman for the United States and the defeat of tiereny and despotic government of the Obama regime. He should become a supporter of America and the American dream of independence and free will.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 3, 2011 1:56 a.m.


    So do you think Nancy Pelosi is a true patriot? I didn't think so.

    Gotta love extreme politics. It was like what my political science professor taught me at BYU (yes a conservative university even). The extreme Left and the extreme Right end up being in the same place in the end...

  • abbygirl1994 East Carbon, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    Boy talk about misinformed, I read an article earlier today that said Mr. Hatch voted yes... I was so upset I sent him a blistering letter. Then tonight I read he voted no. I emailed him an apology! I feel terrible... it took me forever to find out how he voted.. I probably got on some liberal site.. anyways, Mr. Hatch thank you for voting NO.. my respect for you has been restored.. you and Mr. Lee are both Patriot! God Bless and again I am sorry!

  • Jory payson, utah
    Aug. 2, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    The tea party is not the radical right. They are actual conservatives. Unlike the previous "republican conservatives." Being a republican is not being a conservative. Luckily conservatives are taking control of republican party. Hopefully the elite will quit.

    This nation is far from being fixed. The debt deal does nothing. Just imagine how awesome it would be if we had an economy that didn't depend on this. Imagine how free you would be if you weren't in debt. Imagine how free you could be when you don't have to depend on the government. I wasn't worried during these talks. I am set up that I will perfectly fine if the government did pass a deal or did not pass one. That is how you are suppose to be.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    The tea party rules Utah.The radical right will stay in that small corner. Hatch had a chance to rise above the ignorance, but he is now a puppet.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 2, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    It's the economy stupid. Where's all those GOP jobs?. A series of weak economic reports and poor earnings reports from several big companies spurred the decline. A sell-off erased this year's gains in the stock market as investors grew increasingly concerned about the economy. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 265.87 points, or 2.2 percent, to 11,866.62. The Dow has lost 858 points, or 6.7 percent, in the last eight trading days. The survey also found that House Speaker John Boehner gets the highest approval marks among prominent members of Congress who played key roles in the agreement. In the poll of more than 1,500 registered voters, 44 percent of respondents said they approve of the legislation, but 47 percent don't like it, and the rest have no opinion. Most interestingly, just 38 percent of Republicans approve, so we can now understand why Republican candidates say they oppose the bill: They have pollsters, too, and understand the opposition among GOP voters. Independents are even more disapproving, 78 percent say they don't approve of the performance in Washington. Obama won by Independents. He'll win by Independents again in 2012. Mark my words.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    Orrin Hatch used to be this guy who could reach across the aisle, find common ground with the other side, and make good things happen. Lately, he's been so desperate to pander to the extreme right faction of his party that I hardly recognize our formerly reasonable senator. I think most of his constituents would be dissatisfied with his stance on this issue and many others. Anybody remember Aesop's fable about the man, the boy, and the donkey?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 2, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    Hatch is a chameleon that stood by as Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton ran up the deficit and now he is a fiscal conservative?

    Lee has already indicated he supports big banks. What a bunch of silly representation.

  • bluemoon1977 Provo, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    Grandstanding by increasingly irrelevant politicians. The right way to vote was for the debt limit increase. Has anyone bothered to watch what kind of nervousness this caused in the financial sector.

    We need more jobs. People with no hope are sinking into desperation. Unemployed professionals over fifty see no one willing to take a risk on them.

    The real unemployment rate is nearing 18%. The housing market is still dead.

    Let's stop acting like little children and get the country back to work!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 2, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Barvo to Hatch on voting the right way.

    However, I would be happier if I thought it was based on core principles and real opposition to continued deficit spending, instead of a pre-election costume change to resemble a tea partier.

    Both Hatch and Lee should be cautioned that while a Balanced Budget Amendment sounds great and in theory should be a real help, in the long run it may be nothing more than pious words. There is no lack of talent or precedent for Congress being able to weasel their way out of virtually any situation, or to defeat safeguards with creative accounting, deceptive definitions, etc.

    The only answer is to actually cut spending, starting with ending the ridiculous "baseline budgeting" scheme that automatically inflates everything every year, and changing entitlements.

    American people need to hear the truth about the fixes needed, not just hiding behind the "Balanced Budget Amendment" and pretending that it will somehow force COngress to do things that Hatch and his 534 associates have thus far refused to do.

    We need to throw more of the bums out until we get people with the guts to do what is necessary. It's for the Children!

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 2, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    Senator Hatch you can spin this anyway you want but you have been in the senate 35 years and you have always voted to increase the debt limit. yes the democrats deserve some of the blame for this mess but you and the republican deserve blame also. when President Clinton left office he left a budget surplus which quickly disappeared with president bush and the republicans in congress but i believe you voted for the bush tax cuts the drug prescription bill and supported
    2 unfunded wars. As a senator for 35 years i thought you would be a leader in trying to find a solution to the debt crises instead of drawing a firm line with
    cut cap and balance. Sorry but after this recent mess in washington i think it is time for you to be defeated

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Aug. 2, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Sarah Palin is the latest Tea-Party to speak out against Joe Biden's alleged likening of tea party lawmakers in debt-ceiling negotiations to terrorists, saying that his words were appalling and vile?. The word was used by several members of Congress. The vice president does not believe it's an appropriate term in political discourse. Glenn Beck leaves no doubt about how he feels about the deficit reduction bill that President Barack Obama and Congress finally agreed upon, calling the "big compromise" a betrayal. But to who?. Let's see. The big compromise on Capitol Hill features elaborate triggers, tranches, Hornswogglers, Snozzwangers, Super Duper Commissions that will make the Snozzberries taste like Snozeberries, and a whole bunch of other convoluted gibberish that will, no doubt, come with loopholes and create entire new bureaucracies. All while leaving out "The Koch Brother's" fully. The billionaire brothers have funded and fostered the Tea Party movement as a well-disguised means to pursue their private political agenda. The Patriot Act's money laundering provisions, where are they today?. Did Hatch write a amendment to add it back in yet?. Hatch is done come 2012, who cares about his re-election bid, Utah hates him more.