Oh dear, Hatch says debt deal makes positive steps, but falls short of his
support, guess he won't be on a postage stamp when he leaves Office in 2012. Oh
I am sure, this will curl the toes of many in Utah. Russia honors Obama with
postage stamp for 50th birthday. Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister of Russia, and
former head of the KGB, rules as de facto czar of enormous empire that spans 11
time zones. A confirmed and dedicated Communist, Putin has decided that Russia
should publicly honor another fellow socialist on his 50th birthday. Russia's
Post Office has issued a collection of stamps and envelopes to mark the 50th
jubilee of the US President Barack Obama. The US leader is celebrating his
birthday on the 4th of August. In one of his recent interviews Mr. Obama said
that fifty years ago nobody could imagine Russia and the US as partners. He
added that confrontation ended together with the Cold War.
Strong words from a man who voted FOR giving oil companies subsidies a couple of
months ago. 'Guess they paid for his dinner.
Flip flop, flip flop... The blame game, take credit and lay fault.I know my memory will be in good shape in 2012. The me, me, me politicians
need to be retired from their "careers". We need
"Term Limits" in Congress and in the Senate. Flip Flop Hatch ran on
term limits 30 years ago. It's time to perform on your promises Orrin. After
all, your word is your bond. Or maybe not.
Say what you will about Bob Bennett, he was a statesman. Mike Lee has a LOT to
@ Daryl Acumen"when it comes right down to it only the BITE of
a Constitutional Amendment requiring Congress to submit a balanced budget to the
president that caps spending at 18% of GDP is ever going to get this government
in line."Not to argue the point, but based on history, do you
believe that just because we ratify an amendment requiring a balanced budget
that congress will obey the law?I'm hopeful but past performance
would indicate otherwise.
rickski13: Senator Hatch has voted against the debt ceiling 16 times. Facts are
stubborn things, but you can't just choose to ignore them when they don't
advance your agenda. The Senator has been a strong fiscal conservative all
throughout his time in the Senate and his 90 % life rating from the American
Conservative Union demonstrates as much. Utah has the perfect combination in
place with Senators Hatch & Lee; residents of the Beehive State would be
wise to keep that strong voice that we have in them.
Thank you to Senator Hatch and Senator Lee for holding the line in the debt
ceiling raise. The Obama administration calls this action radical but I think
continually spending this country into oblivion is the very definition of
radical. Thank goodness for fiscally conservative radicals representing our
state in the Senate.
This isn't science and I'm surprised so few people on this thread "get
it." Federal revenues average 18% of GDP regardless of tax rates.
Spending is currently 25% and the Democrats, especially Obama, want to keep it
above 24% of GDP forever. This is simply not sustainable! Spending needs to
come back to 18% of GDP...period! We talk and talk about this, we appoint
commissions to talk about this, we tinker around the edges, we play word games,
but when it comes right down to it only the BITE of a Constitutional Amendment
requiring Congress to submit a balanced budget to the president that caps
spending at 18% of GDP is ever going to get this government in line.Hatch gets this, the Democrats do not!It's very simple math
people. It has nothing to do with taxes and everything to do with spending.
Reagan and both Bushes raised the debt ceiling (with Hatch), but they hadn't
burned a trillion dollars the year before in the name of "stimulus."
Fact: If we hadn't wasted money on garbage like studying ant-hills
in Africa in 2009, we wouldn't need to raise the debt ceiling right now.
I find it interesting how everyone keeps talking about jobs creation (except the
politicians) but we have no problem watching jobs get shipped over seas for
cheap labor and so we can "help" these other countries. Forget them!
Help us! Stop exporting jobs, stop importing everything from food to T.V.s,
stop sending billions of dollars in foreign aid that we have to borrow to send,
start letting the rest of the world fix their own problems and focus on what is
happening here! We USED to be a great country, self supporting and independent.
But all the political parties ON BOTH SIDES have done over the years is make us
dependent on everyone else in the world. Time to get rid of the problem, and
start over. Hatch and all the rest who have been in office more than 2 or 3
terms need to go. It's time.
They want to address the debt crisis now and not later. This bill did not
impress the bond rating agencies or investors who see it as a cop out. Who knows
what will happen with the special panel as legislators hide behind its
recommendations. In the past the recommendations of bipartisan commissions have
An interesting question is, do these senators and congressmen who vote against a
measure already know it is going to pass? This makes all the difference.
@ Jonathan EddyWell said, if a bit ranting.I found this
article to be completely disingenuous. How many times did Hatch blame the Dems
for spending? 6? 7? Does he not understand that Defense spending is also
(mis)using my tax dollars? It's all spending. He has been voting for spending,
tax and debt ceiling increases the whole 35 years he has been there.Time for term limits??!!What is more, he is a ranking member of
the Finance committee, responsible for 50% of the federal spending.He is not alone in his hypocrisy. 90% of congress is right there with him.It's crunch time, people! I suggest you vote Independent or
Libertarian, vote out long-time incumbent Rs and Ds, and get some folks into
Congress who will do what is best for the Country, not beholden to big business,
or oil, or defense contractors, or minorities, or the ACLU, or any other special
interest.The system is broken, and WE have the power to fix it. But
not if we leave the same old tired representatives to the same old tired
rhetoric.Vote for change. Vote for revolution. Our future, and our
children's future depend on it.
Remember this when election time comes around. These two are completely
unwilling to compromise. If they're not part of the solution then they are part
of the problem. Vote them both out of office.
I have been an admirer of Sen. Hatch for many years. Now I think of Joe Montana
playing out his career in Kansas City. Doing whatever he could to stay in the
game just a little longer. Not remembered for his great run in SF, but his
efforts to hang on.Hatch will not be remembered for his
understanding of how to be a true statesman, but for desending into being a
puppet for the extremist un-educated, selfish tea party.
The Democrats are to blame for overspending Mr. Hatch?Do you really
believe Americans are that ignorant? (Granted, as a whole, Americans probably
are.) Sir, please! Blame does not lie in Democrats versus Republican
versus Tea Partiers, taxes or spending or budgets or debt ceilings. It's a shame
that after decades in office you still don't get it. More scary is that you DO
get it but choose to look the other way. Mr. Hatch, you are too
smart not to know this. It is all about the law. There are two governing laws in
America; Constitutional law and fascist governmental corporate law. You, sir,
are more influence by the latter and because of your choice to believe more in
corporatism we suffer. International corporations that control
representatives like you now control our American way of life and the results
have been horrific. Manufacturing is a wasteland. Poverty. Homelessness. Home
ownership is dying. National and personal debt is ridiculous. National pride
comes in only one form; military prowess. Our only saving grace is that
Americans are still good people that continue to give despite their
circumstance.Please Mr. Hatch, stand by the Constitution. Be an
example to your peers.
Our senators vote no on a law that that is moderate, fair, and vitally important
for the future success of our country, so I will vote no to get them reelected.
We need to vote these jokers out of office and vote in some true Independents
who do not owe their souls to the large corporations and special interests
groups, including the ultra-right-wing nut jobs who've infiltrated lately, we
need level headed, rational and reasonable people in office, no fanatical
ideologs on either side, no tea-baggers, no religious quacks, just level headed
human beings who are capable of making tough decisions that will benefit the
best interests of all Americans.
It's fun to shop and use a credit card, but what happens when we hit the credit
limit? The fun is over. For the US government though, they just raise their
spending limit. This is foolish. The longer we wait to correct it,
the bigger the correction will have to be. Just look at Greece. Is it going to
take riots and ruin before we do the right thing?
It does seem like Sen. Orrin Hatch is attempting to appear Conservative in
preparation for the 2012 election.
Could we possibly expect less?Two reps from Utah and they represent
their own hope for re-election rather than the voice of the people.If there had been no agreement I bet these two yokels would not have been
bragging about the debacle the country would have been in.
As in his entire political career, Senator Hatch will continue to ride the fence
until he no longer holds the office.This man has constantly and
without fail assessed the political climate in the state he
"represents" and find a way to secure the support of the majority.In an email asking about the jeopardy Social Security retirement and
disability benefits might be in, he replied to me by stating that he was
coauthor of Senate Bill 2014 wherein he continues to support Social Security and
seniors and the disableds' rights.Yesterday when it was clear that
the debt bill would indeed pass, he saw himself free to cast a no vote, thereby
making it appear that he supports the agenda of the Tea Party.That,
of course, is his main objective now as he is fearful that Representative Jason
Chaffetz is about to do to him what Mike Lee did to Bob Bennett and he, too,
will find himself defeated at the polls.Senator Hatch is as slippery
as any politician who has held the office. He will, as long as he is in office
and physically able to run, say and do anything to win an election.
Everyone out there should Google up "Policy Changes Under Two
Presidents" if the want to see the truth.This examines New
Policies under Bush and Obama. NEW policies that changed the flow of our tax
dollars without including continuing policies from previous administrations.What does it show? Under Bush, $5.07 billion in new spending. Under
Obama, $1.44 billion -- with a $126 billion saving in defense spending.Under Bush: $1.47 trillion in unfunded wars; $1.81 trillion in tax cuts; $608
billion in non-defense discretionary spending (Obama = $278 billion) and so
on.Take a look at this report and then tell us WHO is the more
@Brother Chuck Schroeder "The billionaire brothers have funded and
fostered the Tea Party movement" The CA. Lib has struck again. Does the
name George Soros ring a bell, a man proven to incite financial chaos. He seems
to me to be funding your side of the fence. Like the Great Pretender!
Hatch did this for theatrics. I wouldn't be suprised if he is on the republicrat
super congress that will led us to a dictatorship.
The 12 member super congress will unconstitutionally have the power to override
any vote the other members of congress vote No on if it's something the ruling
class wants done or doesn't want done.
They are both officially useless.
That's right people! Just continue to play the blame game, which is what both
parties and the media want you to do. While they continue to placate the
people, they've yet to make any serious decision that would provide the medicine
this economy needs. A balanced budget amendment is a MUST. But, it must go
further than that - all politics must be set aside and tough decisions made. As
I've said in previous posts posts however, I fear it is too late. BOTH parties
have dug us into a hole that is too deep to climb out of. Keep your eye on
China. When they drop the dollar as the favored currency and Standard and
Poor's drops our rating, it's all over! And Washington's continued
"knee-jerk" reactions (the federal reserve included), won't do a
Although I think Hatch is trustfully repentance for his past behavior due to
ignorance and he is now on the right path of the right choices for the right
reasons he should turn over his seat to a younger and more energetic statesman
to carry on his new found beliefs. Hatch has the ability and in the
proper place in national government to become a statesman for the United States
and the defeat of tiereny and despotic government of the Obama regime. He should
become a supporter of America and the American dream of independence and free
abbygirl1994:So do you think Nancy Pelosi is a true patriot? I
didn't think so. Gotta love extreme politics. It was like what my
political science professor taught me at BYU (yes a conservative university
even). The extreme Left and the extreme Right end up being in the same place in
Boy talk about misinformed, I read an article earlier today that said Mr. Hatch
voted yes... I was so upset I sent him a blistering letter. Then tonight I read
he voted no. I emailed him an apology! I feel terrible... it took me forever to
find out how he voted.. I probably got on some liberal site.. anyways, Mr. Hatch
thank you for voting NO.. my respect for you has been restored.. you and Mr. Lee
are both Patriot! God Bless and again I am sorry!
The tea party is not the radical right. They are actual conservatives. Unlike
the previous "republican conservatives." Being a republican is not
being a conservative. Luckily conservatives are taking control of republican
party. Hopefully the elite will quit. This nation is far from being
fixed. The debt deal does nothing. Just imagine how awesome it would be if we
had an economy that didn't depend on this. Imagine how free you would be if you
weren't in debt. Imagine how free you could be when you don't have to depend on
the government. I wasn't worried during these talks. I am set up that I will
perfectly fine if the government did pass a deal or did not pass one. That is
how you are suppose to be.
The tea party rules Utah.The radical right will stay in that small corner.
Hatch had a chance to rise above the ignorance, but he is now a puppet.
It's the economy stupid. Where's all those GOP jobs?. A series of weak
economic reports and poor earnings reports from several big companies spurred
the decline. A sell-off erased this year's gains in the stock market as
investors grew increasingly concerned about the economy. The Dow Jones
Industrial Average lost 265.87 points, or 2.2 percent, to 11,866.62. The Dow has
lost 858 points, or 6.7 percent, in the last eight trading days. The survey
also found that House Speaker John Boehner gets the highest approval marks among
prominent members of Congress who played key roles in the agreement. In the
poll of more than 1,500 registered voters, 44 percent of respondents said they
approve of the legislation, but 47 percent don't like it, and the rest have no
opinion. Most interestingly, just 38 percent of Republicans approve, so we can
now understand why Republican candidates say they oppose the bill: They have
pollsters, too, and understand the opposition among GOP voters. Independents
are even more disapproving, 78 percent say they don't approve of the performance
in Washington. Obama won by Independents. He'll win by Independents again in
2012. Mark my words.
Orrin Hatch used to be this guy who could reach across the aisle, find common
ground with the other side, and make good things happen. Lately, he's been so
desperate to pander to the extreme right faction of his party that I hardly
recognize our formerly reasonable senator. I think most of his constituents
would be dissatisfied with his stance on this issue and many others. Anybody
remember Aesop's fable about the man, the boy, and the donkey?
Hatch is a chameleon that stood by as Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton ran up the deficit
and now he is a fiscal conservative?Lee has already indicated he
supports big banks. What a bunch of silly representation.
Grandstanding by increasingly irrelevant politicians. The right way to vote was
for the debt limit increase. Has anyone bothered to watch what kind of
nervousness this caused in the financial sector.We need more jobs.
People with no hope are sinking into desperation. Unemployed professionals over
fifty see no one willing to take a risk on them.The real
unemployment rate is nearing 18%. The housing market is still dead.Let's stop acting like little children and get the country back to work!
Barvo to Hatch on voting the right way.However, I would be happier
if I thought it was based on core principles and real opposition to continued
deficit spending, instead of a pre-election costume change to resemble a tea
partier.Both Hatch and Lee should be cautioned that while a Balanced
Budget Amendment sounds great and in theory should be a real help, in the long
run it may be nothing more than pious words. There is no lack of talent or
precedent for Congress being able to weasel their way out of virtually any
situation, or to defeat safeguards with creative accounting, deceptive
definitions, etc.The only answer is to actually cut spending,
starting with ending the ridiculous "baseline budgeting" scheme that
automatically inflates everything every year, and changing entitlements.American people need to hear the truth about the fixes needed, not just
hiding behind the "Balanced Budget Amendment" and pretending that it
will somehow force COngress to do things that Hatch and his 534 associates have
thus far refused to do.We need to throw more of the bums out until
we get people with the guts to do what is necessary. It's for the Children!
Senator Hatch you can spin this anyway you want but you have been in the senate
35 years and you have always voted to increase the debt limit. yes the democrats
deserve some of the blame for this mess but you and the republican deserve blame
also. when President Clinton left office he left a budget surplus which quickly
disappeared with president bush and the republicans in congress but i believe
you voted for the bush tax cuts the drug prescription bill and supported2
unfunded wars. As a senator for 35 years i thought you would be a leader in
trying to find a solution to the debt crises instead of drawing a firm line
withcut cap and balance. Sorry but after this recent mess in washington i
think it is time for you to be defeated
Sarah Palin is the latest Tea-Party to speak out against Joe Biden's alleged
likening of tea party lawmakers in debt-ceiling negotiations to terrorists,
saying that his words were appalling and vile?. The word was used by several
members of Congress. The vice president does not believe it's an appropriate
term in political discourse. Glenn Beck leaves no doubt about how he feels
about the deficit reduction bill that President Barack Obama and Congress
finally agreed upon, calling the "big compromise" a betrayal. But to
who?. Let's see. The big compromise on Capitol Hill features elaborate
triggers, tranches, Hornswogglers, Snozzwangers, Super Duper Commissions that
will make the Snozzberries taste like Snozeberries, and a whole bunch of other
convoluted gibberish that will, no doubt, come with loopholes and create entire
new bureaucracies. All while leaving out "The Koch Brother's" fully.
The billionaire brothers have funded and fostered the Tea Party movement as a
well-disguised means to pursue their private political agenda. The Patriot
Act's money laundering provisions, where are they today?. Did Hatch write a
amendment to add it back in yet?. Hatch is done come 2012, who cares about his
re-election bid, Utah hates him more.